The Americans Have Raped Me Like This! *cwies*

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tomtomsmom said:
Even if there is no victim in this particlar case I think we can all agree that there are many victims like this all over the world that deserve our symapthy and prayers. I have no intent to argue with you. My posting on this matter is over.
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I ask only that you think critically. No argument is needed.

Cheers
 
Keltoi said:
Where is the "evidence" for the rape story? Besides a narrative from unknown sources?
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Source of the story in OP: http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/21/article06.shtml

This the following report has more sources for similar cases:
Iraqi female detainees have been illegally detained, raped and sexually violated by United States military personnel. Women who stay at home in traditional roles are more likely to be imprisoned as bargaining chips by US troops seeking to pressurize male relatives, according to the New Statesmen (UK)[1]. In December 2003, a woman prisoner, “Noor”, smuggled out a note stating that US guards at Abu Ghraib had been raping women detainees and forcing them to strip naked. Several of the women were now pregnant.[2] The classified enquiry launched by the US military, headed by Major General Antonio Taguba, has confirmed the note by “Noor” and that sexual violence against women at Abu Ghraib took place. Among the 1,800 digital photographs taken by US guards inside Abu Ghraib there were, according to Taguba's report, images of naked male and female detainees; a male Military Police guard “having sex” with a female detainee; detainees (of unspecified gender) forcibly arranged in various sexually explicit positions for photographing; and naked female detainees.[3] The Bush administration has refused to release photographs of Iraqi women prisoners at Abu Ghraib, including those of women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts (although these have been shown to Congress). [4] UK Member of Parliament Ann Clwyd (L) has confirmed a report of an Iraqi woman in her 70s who had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Clwyd said: "She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey."[5]

http://www.iraktribunal.de/dokus/studies/sexualized_violence_women_igc.html
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Tayyaba said:
I hope thats enough for you guys now...
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Not really. Just more accusations without any proof besides heresay and far left propaganda. If any soldier is found guilty by a court of law with proper evidence brought against him I would believe it. Articles on far left websites and the "Guardian" aren't reliable to me. We'll see where the stories go, and whether these supposed crimes are anything other than misinformation. If in the future these stories are found to be credible, I will gladly admit my mistake.
 
Didnt u or someone quote "guardian" in another thread. Wow, too many confusions...make up ur mind guys....sigh. Like 10 diff sites and all accusations...whatever u say mate.
 
Keltoi said:
Not really. Just more accusations without any proof besides heresay and far left propaganda. If any soldier is found guilty by a court of law with proper evidence brought against him I would believe it. Articles on far left websites and the "Guardian" aren't reliable to me. We'll see where the stories go, and whether these supposed crimes are anything other than misinformation. If in the future these stories are found to be credible, I will gladly admit my mistake.
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Can you clarify for me please. Are you saying that you don't think that any of these can possibly be true?
 
Tayyaba said:
Didnt u or someone quote "guardian" in another thread. Wow, too many confusions...make up ur mind guys....sigh. Like 10 diff sites and all accusations...whatever u say mate.
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I don't know about others, but I've never quoted the Guardian for anything.
 
tomtomsmom said:
Can you clarify for me please. Are you saying that you don't think that any of these can possibly be true?
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Could they possibly be true? I suppose anything is possible. However, repeating accusations doesn't make them true. I also find it odd that the women who supposedly claimed they were raped have "disappeared", so they cannot be contacted for further verification. There is nothing in the way of evidence from any of these articles, only accusations and politics. I blame most of this on Abu Ghraib, which was a travesty on many levels.
 
Keltoi said:
Could they possibly be true? I suppose anything is possible. However, repeating accusations doesn't make them true. I also find it odd that the women who supposedly claimed they were raped have "disappeared", so they cannot be contacted for further verification. There is nothing in the way of evidence from any of these articles, only accusations and politics. I blame most of this on Abu Ghraib, which was a travesty on many levels.
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What happened in Abu Ghraib was disgusting. I come from a long line of people who served in the USA military and know alot of military men that are in Iraq right now. I have heard firsthand the stories of how the "enemy" is treated in times of war. There are alot of unstable soliders over there. Look at what they do when they come home. Shall I pull up articles from US news sources to show you how alot of soldiers have come home and beaten and killed their wives? If they can do that to someone they love then it is not such a far stretch to believe what they are accused of doing in Iraq.
 
What I saw on the news about Abu Ghraib was the soldiers taking pictures of naked Iraqis with black bags over their heads...I've not heard a word about rape until now.

And people get mad at me for hating Americans...Tch.
 
Count DeSheep said:
What I saw on the news about Abu Ghraib was the soldiers taking pictures of naked Iraqis with black bags over their heads...I've not heard a word about rape until now.

And people get mad at me for hating Americans...Tch.
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They also forced them to lay on top of each other in a huge pile naked among other things that I do not care to mention because it make me sick to my stomache.


May I ask...... why do you hate me?
 
tomtomsmom said:
May I ask...... why do you hate me?
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"I come from a long line of people who served in the USA military..."

Among many other things, they committed genocide, provoked wars with land-stealing Mexicans, tortued thousands of my people to death, stood by and watched genocide elsewhere in the world, and allow their military the chance to go off raping people without publicy punishing and denouncing the offenders or apologizing.

The link below is an accurate take on how America got involved in WWII.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_DJRAUnIM

I will be happy to continue our discussion in another thread so that others can join, over PM, or end it at this. Your call. I don't want to take the focus off of the thread's topic.

My answer to tomtomsmom:
Ladies first. XP
And yes, civil manner. Uh-huh.
 
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Yes perhaps a new thread should be started because I would like to discuss this further with other peoples input. But only if it can be done in a civil manner please!


EDIT:Shall I start it you woul you like to?
 
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tomtomsmom said:
What happened in Abu Ghraib was disgusting. I come from a long line of people who served in the USA military and know alot of military men that are in Iraq right now. I have heard firsthand the stories of how the "enemy" is treated in times of war. There are alot of unstable soliders over there. Look at what they do when they come home. Shall I pull up articles from US news sources to show you how alot of soldiers have come home and beaten and killed their wives? If they can do that to someone they love then it is not such a far stretch to believe what they are accused of doing in Iraq.
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please do show some of these articles
 
tomtomsmom said:
Yes perhaps a new thread should be started because I would like to discuss this further with other peoples input. But only if it can be done in a civil manner please!


EDIT:Shall I start it you woul you like to?
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please do start the thread
 
MTAFFI said:
please do show some of these articles
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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4940518
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4697940
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4405683
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4145643
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4031520
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=3808274
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=3657080
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3655658


I hope these will be good enough but if not let me know and I will keep digging. I got these from the archives of my local news station. Because it is archive news they have been shortened as much as possible to retain space on the site.Problem is that archived stories off of news websites get deleted after like 1 1/2 years. There are many stories out there. These are all from my local military base. Fort Bragg is in NC and is an army base.
 
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