The "BACKLASH" has Started

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dmvprof said:
If they kill civilians, then yes.

Not only that, they are cowards.
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Salaam

Jihad has guidlines, I can't remember them all, but ones I know women and children arn't to be killed, plus fighting for your religion isn't an act of a coward.
 
how r they cowards they are defending there countries and religon. Islam doesnt say to go and kill every non believer. but if someone attacks ur religon, ocourse know one is going to take it lightly.
 
islam-truth said:
Salaam

Jihad has guidlines, I can't remember them all, but ones I know women and children arn't to be killed, plus fighting for your religion isn't an act of a coward.
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yes jihad does have guidelines which brother Ansar Al-'Adl provided us with a link about it http://www.load-islam.com/c/Islam/JihadExplanation

"Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman" (Abu Dawud).

"Do not kill the monks in monasteries" or "Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship" (Musnad of Ibn Hanbal).

"Do not cut off ears and noses and other parts of the body. Do not kill women and children, the elderly, and men of religion in their places of worship. Do not cut down date and other trees, and do not tear down buildings."(Bukhari)

It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah forbade the killing of women and children. (Muslim Book 019, Number 4320)

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone (Al-Muwatta, Volume 21, Hadith 10)
 
Hey Shariq_0189
If they kill civilians, then yes.
Not only that, they are cowards.
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you responded with,
how r they cowards they are defending there countries and religon. Islam doesnt say to go and kill every non believer. but if someone attacks ur religon, ocourse know one is going to take it lightly.
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Read V E R Y closely. They....kill....civilians. Is that hard to understand? Civilians. They are defending thier countries and religion by killing civilians? Dosen't add up my friend. Nice try.
 
Issa said:
Salaam,
Are you asking if Allah says someone here on earth is allowed to do something about it?
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I guess. I mean basically, what are the consequences for engaging in Jihad and violating these rules?

Does Allah do something? Does society do something?
 
Oh and yeah, killing civilians is for cowards. It's called "murder". Most societies do not condone this. Are you telling me the religion of peace condones this?
 
Read V E R Y closely. They....kill....civilians. Is that hard to understand? Civilians. They are defending thier countries and religion by killing civilians? Dosen't add up my friend. Nice try.
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thats clled "colleteral damage"

the americans use it all the time :D
 
Even if Americans do it, that doesn't make it right. This is not an argument. Are Muslims on this forum familiar with the term "fallacy"?
 
the muslims have to stick up for themselves, their people, their friends and family.. you have no idea what they go through every day of their lives.. seeing their son getting killed seeing their loved ones die infront of their eyes EVERY DAY.. dont u think u would be alittle angry at the people who did it?
 
lol i say you read about whats happening in iraq. By saying that our comments are misleading whihc is pretty much the meaning of fallacy, is veryyyy ignorant. It just shows you have read up on much about this issue. So how about you do and then come back here and tell us what you think :)
 
salam alaikum

please realize something

That sucide bombings which occur in which civilians are killed is because of a reason.

We must question the issue and understand the reason behind this.

Just imagine you are living in your town and then the next thing you know that some arrogant people come kick you literally out of your house and when you or your family members try and resist they get killed or jailed.

Would you not be frustreated?

Furthermore you have no where to turn to for help because you are under supression and being occupied.

This sort of frustration can lead the toughest of people to break.

I am not in their shoes but I can tell you this much that if someone slapped my mother in front of me - I would tear their arm off their body or atleast beat the living crap out of them.

So please do not be so quick to judge an individual who has lost everything due to the extreme supression of the Isrealis on them like in palestin

Or the extreme persucation of the US on Iraqis

Or the extreme persucation of the Indians on the Kashmiris

It is easy to sit at home and say "oh my its a terrorist"

And Eventhough most of the Muslims know that killing of civilians is wrong
But we empathize with our brothers and sisters whose:

- sisters have been raped like they were in bosnia, afghanistan, palestine and iraq

- men folk have been massacred in front of their eyes like in bosnia iraq and palestine, afghanistan

- children have been killed as well like in bosnia palestine and bosnia, afghanistan

- cities have been burnt and bombed like in palestine iraq and boasnia, afghanistan

And so many other atrocities like humiluating treatment in jails and so on an so forth

So dont come and tell ME especially that Muslims are terrorists cos quite frankly I see my people struggling against the supression and the tyranny of their supressors

while the west sits with an arrogant attitude conveniently turning a blind eye to the suffering of the Muslims

I will always empathize with my brothers and sisters as long as the persecution continues and I will always turn a blind eye to their short comings and mistakes AS LONG as the west , USA, UK , FRANCe etc etc all these "great developed nations" and the UN keep playing double policy and turn a blind eye to the suffering of the Muslims all over the world and label us as terrorists!

The End!
 
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I will always empathize with my brothers and sisters as long as the persecution continues
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And so will I. I have thought long and hard about what it would be like to be in thier shoes. I also have thought long and hard about similiar statements I have heard like the one you made about suicide bombers. I mean really thought about it. And I tell you this, grown men have ability to change things. And targeting them is one thing, they make the choices to oppress or not. But killing children is never an option. Never. Any person with a bomb that could sit on a bus beside a mother and her children, and not break down in tears at the thought of ripping thier innocent bodies apart with thier device of hatred, is no better than a rabid dog. An abomination even to god the forgiving.
Akulion, You list the atrocities against muslims in the world, and I agree completely. These terrible things must be stopped. But I offer my own list,
2/6/02 Israel , Three people including a mother and her 11-year-old daughter are killed in a home invasion
2/6/06 Thailand ,Three villagers are shot to death by Muslim militants
2/5/06 Israel , A Palstinian stabs an Israeli woman to death as she is riding a bus. Four others were stabbed as well.
2/5/06 Turkey, A Catholic priest is murdered by a muslim assailant
2/4/06 Iraq , A Sunni fires into a crowd of Shiites marching in a procession, killing three.
2/3/06 Thailand , A Buddhist teacher is gunned down by Muslim militants and four others are wounded in a separate attack on teachers.
2/3/06 Philippines , Islamists massacre a family of Christians after confirming their religious identity. The victims included an infant and other young children.

The point I am making in offering a list that is the same as yours is that everybody is hurting, and everybody is hurting everybody else. No race or religion is innocent. And no race or religion is ammune to the pain. We all are responsible. You, me, jews, africans, we share the responsibility. If I were a palestinian, I would be extremely angry and frustrated. But suicide bombs only provide Israel with evidence to continue thier behavior. The world community would have no choice but to get behind palestinians if they were being attacked but not attacking. You see, the violence must stop somewhere, that begins with you and me, and Prawned, and Ladee_Maryam.
Individual attitudes must change before the attitudes of countries can change.
 
well i would agree with you that there are unjust acts on both sides

I wish that aggression would end from both sides completely and we can achieve peace

but i think thats a TALLLLL order for me to wish for

I think the satan is the common enemy to all of mankind and has casted the seed of anomisoty between us all and fuels it constantly

one side kills the other - the other sides kills the first back

and so it continues on and on and on!

there seems to be no end to this craziness

Where did it all begin?

Where will it all end?

No one knows the answers

But I cannot stand neutral in this whole affair. I have a confession that I love Muslims like crazy and it really makes me sad and also angry when I see Muslims being killed.

Like take Checnya - russia invaded and tried to ethnically cleanse that land - NO ONE gave a care

Checnyans retialiated in what little means they had by the cinema incident - Everyone jumped and lebelled them terrorists.

I ask why not label the russians terrorists too ?
They were the ones destroying cities and towns in the first place!!

It is this biased stance because of which I will always side with my muslim brothers and sisters.

If there was no bias - then i would openly condem the wrongs done by Muslims as well

My teacher once said "2 wrongs dont make a right"
And I agreed with her for a long time

But now I say "when 1 wrong is called right and the other wrong is called wrong then wrong itself becomes a matter of interpretation"

I just get so angry nowadays cos of all what goes on - it literally starts to boil my blood
 
malsidab i agree with you there.. but i dont think a RELIGION is to blame, its the people. Dont judge a religion by its people, judge a religion by its scripture!
And do you think that is a realistic view? do you think that everyone in the world CAN stop hating each other and the violence WILL stop? no it wont stop. I think the most we can do is stop generalizing and be as open minded as we can
 
also the news keeps labeling the Muslims by religion

while other religion people are labeled by their name only or their nationality

its so biased
 
its double standards when it comes to muslims and islam! subhanAllah
 
yes it seems so thats what is killing my compassion in my heart slowly

u know when you get pushed too much and all the time its your fault

then something inside you starts to die and the heart starts to become hard

I think that is happening to me slowly because now I dont feel sad at the loss of non muslims

I dont feel anything - i just think "oh ok big deal" - like a careless attitude when i hear some bad news from the west

My heart feels very hard too and i have also noticed that my temper has started to flare a lot also impatience is getting the better of me

i know this is a trial - i feel maybe I am failing it

I seek refuge in Allah from the afflictions caused by these trials upon me and all muslims ameen.
 

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