The "BACKLASH" has Started

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lovly_lady said:
salaamz
i think that it's good that non-muslims are joining LI
:inshallah they will learn more about Islam from us! :amin:
ma' salaam
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I agree with u..:) if we all stay calm, take nothing to heart they say...maybe they learn something, inshaAllah:)
 
I hear everything you are saying and agree. I understand your frustration. I am also saying there is no justification for anyone to kill children, even if children on the other side of the fence have been killed. They didn't do it. Russians don't have the right. People of Cheychnia don't have the right, noone. Not Israelis, not Palestinians, noone. Even if other children on the other side of the fence have been killed. Children are innocent. Muslim children are innocent. Jewish children are innocent. Russian children, mexican, german, danish, eskimo children, all innocent. Adults are guilty. I say find another way, You may say "what way?", I don't know, I am fortunate to not live in that kind of desperation. I do know if I did, knowing what I know now, I would find another way. I could not kill children.
 
akulion said:
thats clled "colleteral damage"

the americans use it all the time :D
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Not to start something here..:) "But" saying "americans" is like people saying "muslims" when decribing something negitive....maybe say,,"many Americans..or "some"..be it american or muslim,,,or anything...i am a american muslim...Alhamdolillah:)
 
akulion said:
salam alaikum

please realize something

That sucide bombings which occur in which civilians are killed is because of a reason.

We must question the issue and understand the reason behind this.

Just imagine you are living in your town and then the next thing you know that some arrogant people come kick you literally out of your house and when you or your family members try and resist they get killed or jailed.

Would you not be frustreated?

Furthermore you have no where to turn to for help because you are under supression and being occupied.

This sort of frustration can lead the toughest of people to break.

I am not in their shoes but I can tell you this much that if someone slapped my mother in front of me - I would tear their arm off their body or atleast beat the living crap out of them.

So please do not be so quick to judge an individual who has lost everything due to the extreme supression of the Isrealis on them like in palestin

Or the extreme persucation of the US on Iraqis

Or the extreme persucation of the Indians on the Kashmiris

It is easy to sit at home and say "oh my its a terrorist"

And Eventhough most of the Muslims know that killing of civilians is wrong
But we empathize with our brothers and sisters whose:

- sisters have been raped like they were in bosnia, afghanistan, palestine and iraq

- men folk have been massacred in front of their eyes like in bosnia iraq and palestine, afghanistan

- children have been killed as well like in bosnia palestine and bosnia, afghanistan

- cities have been burnt and bombed like in palestine iraq and boasnia, afghanistan

And so many other atrocities like humiluating treatment in jails and so on an so forth

So dont come and tell ME especially that Muslims are terrorists cos quite frankly I see my people struggling against the supression and the tyranny of their supressors

while the west sits with an arrogant attitude conveniently turning a blind eye to the suffering of the Muslims

I will always empathize with my brothers and sisters as long as the persecution continues and I will always turn a blind eye to their short comings and mistakes AS LONG as the west , USA, UK , FRANCe etc etc all these "great developed nations" and the UN keep playing double policy and turn a blind eye to the suffering of the Muslims all over the world and label us as terrorists!

The End!
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So well said...inshaAllah :)
 
Prawned said:
Great post. You are doing Islam a service by posting it.
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excuse me? and what is that supposed to mean? please explain. If you have anything to say then please say it and be clear.
 
A fallacy is a component of an argument which is demonstrably flawed in its logic or form, thus rendering the argument invalid in whole. In logical arguments, fallacies are either formal or informal. Because the validity of a deductive arguments depends on its form, a formal fallacy (or logical fallacy) is a deductive argument which has an invalid form, whereas an informal fallacy is any other invalid mode of reasoning whose flaw is not in the form of the argument.:)
pray that clears the word fallacy up,
 
Ladee_Maryam said:
excuse me? and what is that supposed to mean? please explain. If you have anything to say then please say it and be clear.
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I believe i made it very plain what i ment ..with no argument ment..i made nice comment in answer to your use of words...(thats clled "colleteral damage"

the americans use it all the time)
nothing was ment, except how we "use words" Allah bless u, ameen
 
Akulion, you and I are not so different. You may think I could not possibly hold the same values because I am not muslim. I say to you, it should not be hard to see that values of honesty and decency can be universal in people that take the time to think. We both seem to have some problems with intolerance. But I believe we both have shown the ability to reconsider. It seems if you were born into my position and I into yours, I would most likely be a muslim now arguing with you. Only difference is what side of the fence we are born on.
 
no sister i was reffering to Prawned. Thats why i quoted him.
And prawned, were you being sarcastic or not? was that a derogatory comment u made or not? please clarify.
 
malsidab said:
Akulion, you and I are not so different. You may think I could not possibly hold the same values because I am not muslim. I say to you, it should not be hard to see that values of honesty and decency can be universal in people that take the time to think. We both seem to have some problems with intolerance. But I believe we both have shown the ability to reconsider. It seems if you were born into my position and I into yours, I would most likely be a muslim now arguing with you. Only difference is what side of the fence we are born on.
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Well I don't think I commented to you..."but" I had no idea that u aren't a muslim...and I am a convert..so have lived on both sides of the fence---I just happen to choose to live my life , to Allah... and would never made a judgement on values, when talking of another,,,thats against islam..:) peace to you...
 
Ladee_Maryam said:
no sister i was reffering to Prawned. Thats why i quoted him.
And prawned, were you being sarcastic or not? was that a derogatory comment u made or not? please clarify.
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Of corse not sister..why would i make a sarcastic comment...I am speaking of "choice" of words...I get pretty upset to hear people say " the muslims" when refering to things...and ones that say "americans"....or "brits" or "paki"...it goes on and on...and doesn't Allah tell us to watch the mouth? Maybe as a convert I tend to take things from the quran very serious,,,no punt ment to u...peace sister:)
 
lool ok this thread is now going hay wire :p

yes i know what you mean malsidab

its all a matter of how our surroundings and experiences tought us and how we learned from them and grew up to be the people we are in the places we are born in
 
akulion said:
lool ok this thread is now going hay wire :p

yes i know what you mean malsidab

its all a matter of how our surroundings and experiences tought us and how we learned from them and grew up to be the people we are in the places we are born in
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Its ok brother...things getting little confussed now..:)
 
002:263 Kind words and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. Allah is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing.

003:103 And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah.s favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

005:8 O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do

Just some surahs I happen to love...:thumbs_up
 
songinwind said:
Of corse not sister..why would i make a sarcastic comment...I am speaking of "choice" of words...I get pretty upset to hear people say " the muslims" when refering to things...and ones that say "americans"....or "brits" or "paki"...it goes on and on...and doesn't Allah tell us to watch the mouth? Maybe as a convert I tend to take things from the quran very serious,,,no punt ment to u...peace sister:)
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sister!! again i was referring to PRAWNED not you. Sorry for the mix up again.
 
Prawned said:
I guess. I mean basically, what are the consequences for engaging in Jihad and violating these rules?

Does Allah do something? Does society do something?
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Salaam,

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is against violence. Not everyone in the Islamic community says it is ok to kill innocent people. Of course, there may be some "fanatics". Problem is the media is only going to focus on these few and make them look like a majority. The question is who is the "all knowing" individual or group that gets to decide when, where, how....? Allah knows best...

I also want to point out that a major misconception about Jihad is that it is thought to mean fight in the sense of violence. It means to struggle and my Jihad may not be the same as someone elses. If you leave with anything remember that. Jihad is not a BAD word meaning what the media tells you...
 
Issa said:
Salaam,

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is against violence. Not everyone in the Islamic community says it is ok to kill innocent people. Of course, there may be some "fanatics". Problem is the media is only going to focus on these few and make them look like a majority. The question is who is the "all knowing" individual or group that gets to decide when, where, how....? Allah knows best...

I also want to point out that a major misconception about Jihad is that it is thought to mean fight in the sense of violence. It means to struggle and my Jihad may not be the same as someone elses. If you leave with anything remember that. Jihad is not a BAD word meaning what the media tells you...
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Salaam

I agree the media allways want some drama to write about, they never focus on the zakat and charity given by muslims, they look for some controversy and suck it dry.
 

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