The "BACKLASH" has Started

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PAPA LAZAROU said:
Hi there Muhammad,

A point on the two verses you supplied (below) on not being violent:


7:74]"And remember how He made you inheritors after the 'Ad people and gave you habitations in the land: ye build for yourselves palaces and castles in (open) plains, and care out homes in the mountains; so bring to remembrance the benefits (ye have received) from Allah, and refrain from evil and mischief on the earth."

[26:151-152] "And follow not the bidding of those who are extravagant,- Who make mischief in the land, and mend not (their ways)."


If you cross refererance your Quran you will find that "evil and mischief" is in regard to those who do not follow the way of Islam. All that the two surrahs state is to not follow the ways of the unbeliever, as is quite evident even in the one you have provided, as it talks of those wh "mend not" their ways.
These surrahs do not admonish muslims to be non violent in any way, though maybe you could point out to me how the ones i have supplied make for decent behaviour between muslims and non muslims alike?

Respectfully,
Papa.
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Salaam,

Did you read the Quran in English or Arabic? It makes a difference because of what is lost in translation (alot of the Arabic words have several meanings) . If anyone truly wants to know the Quran they would have to learn Arabic.
 
Buddy said:
Feh. I think any backlash would be nothing more than reaping what you are sowing.

Remember that it wasn't Jews or Christians who slammed that airplane into the WTC.

ALthough you guys probably believe the lie that 4000 jews didn't show up to work that day.
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Salaam,

That was a low blow, sir. It wasn't a Muslim who blew up the Oklahoma City building either.... What is your point? My point would be that PEOPLE are violent not just Muslims. I hate it when someone says what you just said. If we bring up attrocities that Christians(Nazi's murder Jews) or Jews(refusing to believe that Jesus was a messenger of Allah) have someone will say that is human nature not the religion, but then they turn right around and say what you said. Have you ever heard the saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"?
 
You can still understand the Quran without Arabic becaue it's a book of signs. All you have to do is contemplate what it's about.

The verses that talk about violence are out of context, for example, in a war, which happens here on earth if you take a look around.

I know where a lot of confusion comes from, people DONT like to fight. But in the case if a massive army is coming towards your city, you ahve no where to run, are you going to sit there and let your family get slaughtered or are you and all capable men going to fight?

Now remember God knows his creation, and he knows that there would be people suppressing his followers BECAUSE of the devil. Therefore Islam FOR THE FIRST TIME created rules of war.

Muslims are supposed to treat prisoners with respect, and feed them.
There are to be no killing of innocent people.

A lot of the anti-Islamic propaganda on the internet comes from primarily one source, which is the early biography of Mohommed, written BEFORE hadith was compiled and a science of it's study created.

A lot of the stories that circulated before hadiths were created by the jews to discredit the prophet. This is why we test if the hadith makes sense according to the actual saying of the prophet.
 
Issa said:
Salaam,

That was a low blow, sir. It wasn't a Muslim who blew up the Oklahoma City building either.... What is your point? My point would be that PEOPLE are violent not just Muslims. I hate it when someone says what you just said. If we bring up attrocities that Christians(Nazi's murder Jews) or Jews(refusing to believe that Jesus was a messenger of Allah) have someone will say that is human nature not the religion, but then they turn right around and say what you said. Have you ever heard the saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"?
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Sister, you couldn't have said this better:) people certinly are violent...and not once have i heard said.."hey, u know that "christian" man down the road, he just killed his family......oh this happen here, "far too much", but never once is religion mentioned, "unless" its a muslim:rollseyes ...and there is millions of glass houses here:)
 
My advice to anyone who listens to a form of gossip, is being led in a blind state. I am new in Islam, like a baby, trying to walk. I study, and learn, not just fly off, because someone said Muslims are "bad". If a person is so stupid, that they can't look at both sides, and see the evil, where it really does come from, and educate your self in the matters of truth, you deserve to be blind.My last opinion is Islam is the beauty of life, and love. Discover for yourself, and don't be ignorant of the evil of gossip...or be quite.
 
Salam Alakum... Just Wanted To Welcome Cleo In To Islam...im Very Happy That You Received This Mercy... Salam Alakum
 
cleo said:
My advice to anyone who listens to a form of gossip, is being led in a blind state. I am new in Islam, like a baby, trying to walk. I study, and learn, not just fly off, because someone said Muslims are "bad". If a person is so stupid, that they can't look at both sides, and see the evil, where it really does come from, and educate your self in the matters of truth, you deserve to be blind.My last opinion is Islam is the beauty of life, and love. Discover for yourself, and don't be ignorant of the evil of gossip...or be quite.
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Sister cleo. This is what I was saying, but in different way...as "to eat the flesh of our brothers" is a sin....(gossipp):X
 

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