The Basis of Shi’ah-Sunni Discord

[Ramadan90]

I wish I can share with you things here that will make people think twice about accepting shiites as anything but full fledged kaffirs..
but let's just start with this one:

Where's the Qiblah friends?

That pic though...:skeleton:

 

[Ahmad H]

Muslims will not unite when scholars are still making Takfir against those who call themselves Muslims. The true scholars have died and the ignorant ones are left behind it seems.

 

[Signor]

Muslims will not unite when scholars are still making Takfir against those who call themselves Muslims. The true scholars have died and the ignorant ones are left behind it seems.

Don't say like this again,We never knew who is capable in doing what.Don't measure all of them with the same yardstick.

 

[Ahmad H]

Don't say like this again,We never knew who is capable in doing what.Don't measure all of them with the same yardstick.

The Holy Prophet (saw) prophesied that this would happen.

 

[Ramadan90]

Muslims will not unite when scholars are still making Takfir against those who call themselves Muslims. The true scholars have died and the ignorant ones are left behind it seems.

Are you qualified enough to criticize a scholar? Are you a scholar yourself?

 

[Ahmad H]

Are you qualified enough to criticize a scholar? Are you a scholar yourself?

It's pretty obvious I am not, since I am criticizing them. I don't like Takfirs. Plain and simple. Any scholar who makes it their life duty to create disharmony amongst Muslims doesn't seem very wise to me. Just because I am not a scholar, doesn't mean I can't criticize any of them. A regular Muslim can criticize a scholar if he finds they are doubtful in their ways. I have a choice in whom I can follow or not. Not every Sheikh is reliable you know.

 

[Ramadan90]

It's pretty obvious I am not, since I am criticizing them. I don't like Takfirs. Plain and simple. Any scholar who makes it their life duty to create disharmony amongst Muslims doesn't seem very wise to me. Just because I am not a scholar, doesn't mean I can't criticize any of them. A regular Muslim can criticize a scholar if he finds they are doubtful in their ways. I have a choice in whom I can follow or not. Not every Sheikh is reliable you know.

I agree most of what you said, but you should be very careful by claiming that ALL of the muslims scholar today are ignorant.

 

[Ahmad H]

^I should clarify above by what I said in that scholars are ignorant. I meant that most modern scholars are ignorant these days. That is because there is a focus on Takfir. Yes, the ability to do so is there. But it seems as if it is creating more rifts than ever. I disagree with this behavior, and it is creating disunity amongst Muslims.

 

[Ahmad H]

I agree most of what you said, but you should be very careful by claiming that ALL of the muslims scholar today are ignorant.

You're right. I meant a large number of sheikhs are ignorant. Anyone who knows how serious it is to call a Muslim non-Muslim from the Traditions will understand this.

 

[Ramadan90]

^I should clarify above by what I said in that scholars are ignorant. I meant that most modern scholars are ignorant these days. That is because there is a focus on Takfir. Yes, the ability to do so is there. But it seems as if it is creating more rifts than ever. I disagree with this behavior, and it is creating disunity amongst Muslims.

If that was what you meant, then I do agree with you. I find it wrong as well.

 

[Muhammad]

:salamext:

We should be cautious about saying that all Shi'a are kuffaar. You can find some fatwas online where scholars divide the Shi'a according to what their beliefs are, because not all of them are the same. There are those about whom it is certain that they negate the principles of Islam, and [FONT=&quot][/FONT]those who do not negate any principles of Islam but are mistaken in some aspects. So that is why we should leave this discussion to those who know and not get involved in case we say something that is incorrect and earn Allaah's :swt: displeasure. Let us close the thread here :ia:.