The "boycott" strategy ?

[Pygoscelis]

So, you disagree with general boycott, including the current ones done on Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Cuba, and the past ones done on South Africa?

Yes I oppose each of those.

(by the way, your government Canada is participating in the banning of all trades with Iran, accusing Iran of not respecting NPT, while pursuing civilian nuclear agreement with India, who is not NPT participatory).

I realize this and I oppose it. I have long said that the rhetoric of the USA (which Canada follows like a little lap dog under Harper (I want him OUT)) justifies Iran seeking nuclear weapons. If Iran isn't developing nuclear weapons, it should be! It is the only proven deterrent against US aggression. Compare how North Korea has been handled as opposed to Iraq. The remaining "axis of evil" country should take note.

I am happy that Canada doesn't ban Cuba in any way, and would hate to see Harper do that to us. But I think the political climate even in the US will open things up to Cuba. Venezeulla is another. I agree more often than not with what Chavez has to say about the US (though for other reasons I oppose him - he's not the fairest to his people). I was very amused at his comments on Bush.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The OP asked what we think of the "bocott strategy". I gave my answer. It will backfire on you and make people think even less of Islam. If you disagree with my answer that is your right, but the OP did ask so I answered.

Why don't you direct your energy towards boycotting your own government for getting involved in Afghanistan and Iraq and killed civilians.
Now, that would be a worthy cause.

What makes you think I haven't. Stop assuming that all us westerners are the same. The political party I support has always opposed the overseas wars, and I have taken part in numerous protests - especially back during the Bush era when Iraq was invaded based on lies and for profit.

 

[Muezzin]

Asalamu Alikum Wr Wb!

Dear brother, I actually don't know which products come form Israel or Denmark. :embarrass There are always differences of opinion. First someone said that coke is a Jewish product but latter my friends told me it was not so.

So the problem is that if we boycott these products, which we SHOULD do, we don't have any better alternatives!

The problem is whenever somebody suggests and implements an Islamic alternative, it doesn't get quite enough Muslim support.

Still, relatively early days, and it's harder to make a splash with Islamic alternatives in a non-Muslim majority country than in a Muslim majority country (although many marketers would be able to turn such a situation to their advantage). Personally, I greatly prefer the more constructive approach of at least attempting to create and market an alternative, as opposed to simply and solely boycotting existing products.

 

[جوري]

I can see muslims running scared and stop boycotting companies because one pygoscelis say that would make Islam look bad.
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:haha: I can't believe you took the time to answer that..

 

[Masuma]

Mods, if you are going to delete or alter this post, then do the same to Pygocelis's post too (post number 38), because he is the one who actually sparked it all!

Now what!

Since you have not kept it civil so why should I?!

You know what- You are a DOG Pygocelis! And I think you realize it too-------->

Seriously An33za, if anybody is being a hyprocrite here its you... you are complaining about people not treating you well and yet you have this hostile attitude and keep calling people liars and hypocrites.

I only call those as liars or hypocrites who actually are being one!

You seem to see the world from a tribal orientation, in-group vs out-group

Not always. Only when such situations arise. And then people either side with what is right or they support evil!

Yes some people can be neutral too (i.e they neither side with good nor with evil and only minds their own business). But in some religions and societies, this behavior is also considered evil.

For example in Islam, one HAS to speak up against injustice and evil otherwise he/she would not be considered a good Muslim.

(also reflected in that other thread where you have literally reduced yourself to a cheerleader).

Now you've turned into a pig!
Encouraging people is not wrong. It is only the WAY your western women do it there that make it despicable. All that free-mixing and inappropriate clothes (or more rightly no clothes at all) which makes it all disgusting!

Do you see all non-muslims as the same and therefore what you read about one or saw one say you assign to all others?
Do you see all muslims as friends and kafir as the great enemy? Are we all out to git ya? hew

You mean like the one where I considered all Jews as nazis and zionists?!

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(May Allah bless these Jews above and may He show them the right way! Ameen!!!!:statisfie)

See! this is how every good citizen must unite and side with the just cause.

Or maybe you meant that when I said that I will never boycott Muslim companies because Muslims are friends?!

I am including all the companies which are in Denmark! Even if they are Muslim companies! We would boycott them all for REASONS already explained above.

It would just make you look bad, and so does this. And when done in the name of Islam it makes that look bad too.

As if media has not already done it all! Media has maligned Islam so much so that now it won't affect us at all! But now is the time for Muslims to unite!

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Sometimes this forum makes me despair...

I think admins should close this thread. This purpose of this thread will still continue even when closed.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I agree. The hate and tribalism is getting out of hand in here. For the record though so there's no confusion, that dog picture is my dog Cody, and he's awesome. So don't imagine that comparing me to him will in any way insult me.

 

[Dagless]

Does anyone have a list of verified companies to boycott? I have read the links mentioned earlier but they list a few companies which have outright denied supporting Israel, e.g. Coca Cola - http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/contactus/myths_rumors/middle_east_israel.html

I'm just after a definitive list (with verifiable sources) so I don't stop trade with legitimate companies and don't end up spreading false information.

 

[marwen]

Does anyone have a list of verified companies to boycott? I have read the links mentioned earlier but they list a few companies which have outright denied supporting Israel, e.g. Coca Cola - http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/contactus/myths_rumors/middle_east_israel.html

I'm just after a definitive list (with verifiable sources) so I don't stop trade with legitimate companies and don't end up spreading false information.

Bro, what do you think a company like Coca Cola would say else in order to stop its loss ? Don't look at what these companies say, but at what they do.

Coca Cola and Israel : http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-coca-cola.html

Boycott Brands : http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-brands.html

 

[InfiniteMercy]

Asalam all, thanks for the thread...there's no doubt that money speaks very loud! so when profits are dropping there's bound to be a change or at least a reconsideration of policies..
apart from the lists of companies (which are mostly making consumer goods) that have been posted here, there's also institutions and organizations which support the zionist entity and have strong influences..one of the biggest frontlines is the media companies and how they fool the people of the world...

 

[Jedi]

Why would an islamic site 'inminds' big this up? Because as the article says, we all know what happens to gays in islam!

As a newbie I can't post the link!



Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid


Haaretz Staff
9 June 2010
Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid, British daily The Guardian reported on Wednesday.



"After what has happened, and as human rights campaigners, it seemed barbaric to us to have them taking part," Antonio Poveda, of Spain's Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transexuals and Bisexuals told The Guardian. "We don't just defend our own little patch," he said.
According to the Guardian, the Israeli group, all Tel Aviv residents, have reacted angrily to the notification, and said that the decision to mix the Gaza flotilla with gay pride was wrong.
Israel drew worldwide condemnation after nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed when navy commandos boarded ships Gaza-bound aid boats.
Tel Aviv municipality spokesman Eytan Schwartz told the Spanish paper El Mundo that it was not the city's job to either support or condemn such issues.
"I don't recall Madrid's gay organizations condemning any of the Palestinian terrorist attacks on cafes or buses," Schwartz said. "Islamist fundamentalists don't just want to finish off Israel but that they also believe homosexuals should 'cure themselves' or die."
Schwartz added that the Spanish federation that made the decision should speak to the gay Arabs who flee their countries for Tel Aviv, where they live secretly, "because they would be murdered at home if they revealed their sexuality".
A well known gay activist in Israel, Mike Hamel told the Guardian that the group of Israelis were invited as individuals and not as the country's official representatives, and questioned "why do they mix politics with a gay pride procession?"

 

[جوري]

you can't be gay and Muslim it is an oxymoron-- you may certainly pursue a deviant lifestyle outside the folds of religion and there are plenty of immoral regions where one can pursue such a lifestyle.. did you have a point with your comment other than the obviously concluded which is that the colonial settler state of Israel is in fact a secular effete, immoral state and not a 'promised land for the Jews' for amongst other reason biblical or political -- however, Judaism, christianity, every organized religion and/or ideology and even the laws of nature don't recognize homosexuality as anything but a deviant, lecherous lifestyle?!

all the best as always!

 

[Jedi]

you can't be gay and Muslim it is an oxymoron-- you may certainly pursue a deviant lifestyle outside the folds of religion and there are plenty of immoral regions where one can pursue such a lifestyle.. did you have a point with your comment other than the obviously concluded which is that the colonial settler state of Israel is in fact a secular effete, immoral state and not a 'promised land for the Jews' for amongst other reason biblical or political -- however, Judaism, christianity, every organized religion and/or ideology and even the laws of nature don't recognize homosexuality as anything but a deviant, lecherous lifestyle?!

all the best as always!

The so called according to you "obviously concluded" is not my point!
My point is how can islam which is definately anti homosexuality, big up the banning of gay Israelis from a gay pride event?

Because the ban was in relation to the Palestine/Palestinian situation!
It is totally hypocritical !!!

 

[جوري]

The so called according to you "obviously concluded" is not my point!
My point is how can islam which is definately anti homosexuality, big up the banning of gay Israelis from a gay pride event?

The dispute per your article is between Israel and Spain and in fact has no room for Palestinians save for the little additives and preservatives of the Zionists over how Muslims are just plain awful to them or intolerant or whatever crap they conjure up for a PR move... how desperate are they but the better question is how desperate are you?

Because the ban was in relation to the Palestine/Palestinian situation!

well you should take your grievances in the gay pride rooms of spain then, not on an Islamic board? from our end of things, even folks who define themselves by their sexual orientation are principled when comes to human rights if all they can offer is a silly ban in lieu of aid then so be it!

It is totally hypocritical !!!

You need to go back to school and work on your logic skills!

all the best

 

[Jedi]

The dispute per your article is between Israel and Spain and in fact has no room for Palestinians save for the little additives and preservatives of the Zionists over how Muslims are just plain awful to them or intolerant or whatever crap they conjure up for a PR move... how desperate are they but the better question is how desperate are you?

well you should take your grievances in the gay pride rooms of spain then, not on an Islamic board? from our end of things, even folks who define themselves by their sexual orientation are principled when comes to human rights if all they can offer is a silly ban in lieu of aid then so be it!

You need to go back to school and work on your logic skills!

all the best

You are blinded by your absolute hate for zionists!

My point is, how can an islamic website big up homosexuals in a gay pride event who have excluded other homosexuals(israeli ones) because of their so called principals over the Palestine/Palestinian situation!

In other words muslims will big up, and promote the banning of gay israelis from a gay pride event, even though islam and muslims totally detest homosexuality/homosexuals!!!
And islam mandates the killing of gays, whether they claim to be muslim or kuffar!

Now that is the hypocrisy that I am highlighting and questioning!

Is that too logical for you?

You are accepting support from kuffar homosexuals against israeli homosexuals just because the kuffar homosexuals have banned israeli ones!
And because the ban is a protest about the flotilla incident!!!
Get it!!!

How can islam accept the support of the kuffar, and homosexual ones at that?
That's dancing with the devil.

 

[جوري]

You are blinded by your absolute hate for zionists!

seeing things for what they are doesn't make one blind!

My point is, how can an islamic website big up homosexuals in a gay pride event who have excluded other homosexuals(israeli ones) because of their so called principals over the Palestine/Palestinian situation!

I don't know which Islamic website you are speaking of, given no link, for the sake of argument, I'll go by 'your word' for whatever it is worth, logic would dictate that you stake your grievances with that site then, and not expect that we should have to defend them? either way I see this as another deflection from the actual events going on, so like a kaffir to side track calamities into ludicrous ancillary affairs!

In other words muslims will big up, and promote the banning of gay israelis from a gay pride event, even though islam and muslims totally detest homosexuality/homosexuals!!!

See above reply!

And islam mandates the killing of gays, whether they claim to be muslim or kuffar!

in order for a 7ad to be carried out you'll have to have four witnesses to the adulterous affairs, and that goes for homo or hereto relations, so perhaps if you want to take that lifestyle up, close the shades and don't engage in orgies where others will turn you in?

Now that is the hypocrisy that I am highlighting and questioning!

I see no hypocrisy, I see a deranged troll who wishes to make issues out of non-Issues, at least non-issues as far as this forum and its members are concerned!

Is that too logical for you?

Not at all!

You are accepting support from kuffar homosexuals against israeli homosexuals just because the kuffar homosexuals have banned israeli ones!
And because the ban is a protest about the flotilla incident!!!
Get it!!!

I haven't accepted support from homosexual kaffirs, you have presupposed something, presented it here without any link and made us all guilty by proxy and expect us to carry on from your faulty premise.. you want to revisit that logic issue?

How can islam accept the support of the kuffar, and homosexual ones at that?
That's dancing with the devil.

Islam doesn't-- I can't speak for whatever portal you have visited as far as we can see above a diatribe between span and Israel, and your temper thereafter!

all the best

 

[syed_z]

@Jedi

for people like you an Immoral Relationship between a Man and another man is such a big issue... while there is no issue for you as Gaza is on its ways, rather it already is a huge jail, where the Prisoners, who are innocent men women and children.... whose food is being stopped and their shelters and homes bombarded every day....

You should think where this whatever you believe in is taking you... your actually arguing over a Relationship of Men , an immoral , disgusting thing, over injustice being done for several years to men women children and elderly folks....


See this is what happens when you don't have guidance... then your actions spread misguidance.....people like you waste time of themselves as well as others people's...

 

[AhlaamBella]

If I'd seen this poll a week ago I would have gone for the 2nd option but I saw an article in the metro about the Israeli produce having to be cut down because there is nowhere for it to go as the Palestinian government have put a ban on Israeli products.

This is the first time I've seen the boycott take effect. But, it takes numbers. There will be no effect if the majority don't boycott. Minorities have no results

 

[Jedi]

seeing things for what they are doesn't make one blind!
I don't know which Islamic website you are speaking of, given no link, for the sake of argument, I'll go by 'your word' for whatever it is worth, logic would dictate that you stake your grievances with that site then, and not expect that we should have to defend them? either way I see this as another deflection from the actual events going on, so like a kaffir to side track calamities into ludicrous ancillary affairs!
See above reply!
in order for a 7ad to be carried out you'll have to have four witnesses to the adulterous affairs, and that goes for homo or hereto relations, so perhaps if you want to take that lifestyle up, close the shades and don't engage in orgies where others will turn you in?
I see no hypocrisy, I see a deranged troll who wishes to make issues out of non-Issues, at least non-issues as far as this forum and its members are concerned!
Not at all!

I haven't accepted support from homosexual kaffirs, you have presupposed something, presented it here without any link and made us all guilty by proxy and expect us to carry on from your faulty premise.. you want to revisit that logic issue?
Islam doesn't-- I can't speak for whatever portal you have visited as far as we can see above a diatribe between span and Israel, and your temper thereafter!

all the best

The link was posted by marwen!
I can't post links as a newbie!
On the muslim 'inminds' site they have posted this article from a Jewish site!
I posted before:

Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid


Haaretz Staff
9 June 2010
Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid, British daily The Guardian reported on Wednesday.



"After what has happened, and as human rights campaigners, it seemed barbaric to us to have them taking part," Antonio Poveda, of Spain's Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transexuals and Bisexuals told The Guardian. "We don't just defend our own little patch," he said.
According to the Guardian, the Israeli group, all Tel Aviv residents, have reacted angrily to the notification, and said that the decision to mix the Gaza flotilla with gay pride was wrong.
Israel drew worldwide condemnation after nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed when navy commandos boarded ships Gaza-bound aid boats.
Tel Aviv municipality spokesman Eytan Schwartz told the Spanish paper El Mundo that it was not the city's job to either support or condemn such issues.
"I don't recall Madrid's gay organizations condemning any of the Palestinian terrorist attacks on cafes or buses," Schwartz said. "Islamist fundamentalists don't just want to finish off Israel but that they also believe homosexuals should 'cure themselves' or die."
Schwartz added that the Spanish federation that made the decision should speak to the gay Arabs who flee their countries for Tel Aviv, where they live secretly, "because they would be murdered at home if they revealed their sexuality".
A well known gay activist in Israel, Mike Hamel told the Guardian that the group of Israelis were invited as individuals and not as the country's official representatives, and questioned "why do they mix politics with a gay pride procession?"

Therefore, I made my point and was not saying that you in particular are giving support.
I was saying that muslims/islam are accepting support from homosexuals who banned israeli homosexuals from the gay pride event, because of the 'flotilla affair'!
And islam in the eyes of many many muslims does mandate the killing of homosexuals!
You can look on the internet and see videos of msulims ranting about it!

And I know homosexuality is is a perversion and goes against nature!
But, I don't advocate killing homosexuals!

So I think the deflection is coming from you and others!

Go the to the muslim 'inminds' link in marwen's post, open it, click on the main page link and scroll down until you find:
Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid. [2010-06-09]

Therefore, that is the hypocrisy that I am talking about!

 

[جوري]

^^ having a difficult time buying into the story, it can't be that difficult to write out the website from whence you got it, and secondly, this thread isn't about homos, or those who support homos, or those who seek aid from homos.. read the thread title and be in keeping with the subject matter..

BTW, I thought you gave us a long winded goodbye the other day, did you change your mind?