The centrepiece of Christianity

[Joe98]

From another thread came the following posts:

I still dont see why Christians eat pork when Jesus never did and Jews still don't.

Because to eat pork is a question of common sense. To choose to not eat it is a question of religion.

Christains are not maniacal about religion. There is only one part of their religion they care about:

Christ is the Son God.
Christ died on the cross for you.
Christ rose from the dead.

Eating of pork has no effect on the centrepiece of Christianity

Christians believe that when Jesus came and died for us

Woah.....if Jesus is God, then how did he end up dying? Are you suggesting that God can be mortal?

God is immortal. Since Jesus supposedly died, doesnt that imply he's mortal?

Also, if Jesus was God, why couldnt he protect himself from the Romans? Why did he end up crucified?

Christianity is an entire religion. Its much more than Christ.

You are mistaken

Islam is an entire religion. Christianity has only one central point. Christains believe:

Christ is the Son God.
Was born of a human mother.
Christ suffered and died on the cross for your sins.
Christ rose from the dead and ascended into heaven

The issue of pork and all other issues fall away.


Christians really don’t care about anything in the old testament or the new testament except this centre piece.

To the Muslim who found inconsistencies about how many people went to Christ’s tomb, Christians don’t care.

To the issue of pork. Christians don’t care.

To many other topics, Christians don’t care.

 

[*Hana*]

Hmmmm, for an Athiest you have a lot to say on behalf of the Christians. :giggling:

I don't know that the Christians would agree with you that they don't care about the word of God. For them, the Bible is the word of God....all the pages, not just the ones talking about virgin birth, salvation, etc.

Hana

 

[Joe98]

The difference is that Muslims believe every word in the Koran is the word of God.

Christains believe in the centerpiece of Christianity and everythng else is unimportant.

Thats why when Muslims find fault with the Bible Christains don't actually care.

 

[north_malaysian]

The difference is that Muslims believe every word in the Koran is the word of God.

Christains believe in the centerpiece of Christianity and everythng else is unimportant.

Thats why when Muslims find fault with the Bible Christains don't actually care.

Now it's like u'r talking on behalf of us.:rollseyes

 

[*Hana*]

The difference is that Muslims believe every word in the Koran is the word of God.

Christains believe in the centerpiece of Christianity and everythng else is unimportant.

Thats why when Muslims find fault with the Bible Christains don't actually care.

Yes, of course we believe the Qur'an is the word of God, and I beg to differ with you regarding the Christians. The Christians feel just as strongly the Bible is the word of God, and if you think they don't care or won't defend what's in their Bible, you haven't read many threads. They are just as passionate about their faith as Muslims are about ours. To say everything else is unimportant is absolutely not true. You don't go around dismissing what you believe to be the word of God as unimportant.

But, seeing how neither you or I are Christian, perhaps we should wait to get their opinion on it.

Peace,
Hana

 

[Nicola]

Jesus is the centerpeice of my faith he died for my sins he has given me the chance of eternal life with the Father..though I must obey Gods commandment still..the two Jesus gave us....

It's no point in just believing in Jesus, without following in his path...and that can only be done when the Holy Spirit is indwelling inside of us. He teaches us what is right and wrong concerning the law of God and how God wishes us to act and live our life. I believe the Holy Bible is the true word of God and studying the bible gives us examples of how we should lead our lives.

Concerning pork...Jesus tells us..it's not what goes into the mouth that is important that cannot defile us... but what comes out of the mouth from your heart is most important.

Mark 7:14b-15, 17-19
“Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside the man which going into him can defile him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.” … And when leaving the multitude, He had entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you too so uncomprehending? Do you not see that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him; because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”

Mat 15:10 And he called the people to him and said to them, "Hear and understand:
Mat 15:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person."
Mat 15:12 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
Mat 15:13 He answered, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
Mat 15:15 But Peter said to him, "Explain the parable to us."
Mat 15:16 And he said, "Are you also still without understanding?
Mat 15:17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?
Mat 15:18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.
Mat 15:20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

 

[*Hana*]

Peace Nicola:

The response to the verses you posted referring to pork is listed here: HERE (message #74)

I just responded to them about an hour ago.

Peace,
Hana

 

[syilla]

Now it's like u'r talking on behalf of us.

maybe he 'is' one of us...

maybe he is in disguise...:rollseyes

 

[Nicola]

Peace Nicola:

The response to the verses you posted referring to pork is listed here: HERE (message #74)

I just responded to them about an hour ago.

Peace,
Hana

hiya Hana_Aku

I know I posted here first then read the other thread...didn't think there was much point in repeating my post...but there are other scriptures in the NT that lead us to believe pork is OK to eat.

Many Christians refuse to eat pork...I'm not a pork eater myself because I don't like the taste... I think eating of pork is an indivdual choice for Christians.
I read for instance in another thread... a Muslim mentioning that a certain food they eat is cooked in lard...well lard has you know is from pig.

Many people do not even realise what they are eating...another instance while shopping a few weeks ago...I saw two elderly Muslim men..shopping they where putting ham etc in their trolly..I went up to them and tried to explain what they where buying..but they didn't speak English at all.. so I had to find someone else to explain to them.

If they'd of eaten this food they wouldn't have been committing a sin..because they did not know. This is the same as Christians if they truely believe it is ok to eat pork...because of scriptures leading them to believe this...they are not sinning.

For me Jesus' main message was God wanted a pure heart and wasn't concerned with what was in your stomach... God wants a heart that places and loves God above all else..and a heart that loves other people even our enemies more than ourselves.

God Bless

 

[north_malaysian]

maybe he 'is' one of us...

maybe he is in disguise...:rollseyes

Dont think so, how can a Muslim want to call himself an Atheist?

 

[*Hana*]

hiya Hana_Aku

Many people do not even realise what they are eating...another instance while shopping a few weeks ago...I saw two elderly Muslim men..shopping they where putting ham etc in their trolly..I went up to them and tried to explain what they where buying..but they didn't speak English at all.. so I had to find someone else to explain to them.

If they'd of eaten this food they wouldn't have been committing a sin..because they did not know. This is the same as Christians if they truely believe it is ok to eat pork...because of scriptures leading them to believe this...they are not sinning.

God Bless

Peace Nicola:

I agree with you that intention means everything. These 2 elderly, Muslim gentlemen know that eating pork is prohibited, but they were not knowingly purchasing pork. And yes, there is pork in a lot of things including many brands of gum, and you have to read the labels to make sure.

However, the difference is, had they known they were purchasing pork knowing it is haram, they would be accountable. That being said, the bible does prohibit pork yet many Christians eat it so I believe they will be held accountable for breaking God's Law. Well, as a Muslim I believe they will be held accountable for more than just pork....but that's a different topic.

Allah, swt, is the most just and for sure He will not punish those that make a mistake without knowing they have, but for those that know it :rollseyes

With peace,
Hana

 

[syilla]

Dont think so, how can a Muslim want to call himself an Atheist?

yeah true... maybe should change the profile...

 

[north_malaysian]

yeah true... maybe should change the profile...

Dont get me wrong, but from what I've seen. Ex-Christian Westerners usually prefer to anykind of religion other than Christianity. Dont know why?

 

[syilla]

But those in whose hearts is a disease,- it will add doubt to their doubt, and they will die in a state of Unbelief.

at-taubah:25

[BANANA]3) "Agama" barat adalah berdasarkan "hendonisma" (hendonism) dan falsafah kemanusiaan (humanistic philosophy), saya tak dapat menerangkan secara terperinci konsep2 ini tapi mereka tidak mempercayai akan adanya hukum-hakam yang perlu mereka patuhi dalam hidup mereka, menolak hak kommander untuk memberi arahan, menolak wujudnya kommander atas nama "kebebasan". Sebagi Muslim kita menerima apa sahaja yang di perintah oleh Allah dan menjauhi segala larangannya. Kita menerima dengan sepenuh hati, "Ya, Allah Engkaulah yang menciptaku dan Engkau tahu apa yang baik dan buruk untuk ku."

4) Taraf manusia pada pandangan barat adalah menurut kekayaaan harta-benda, degree, dsb. Status itu menentukan kawasan kediaman mereka, kenderaan yang dimiliki, dsb. Tidak menjadi masaalah tempat mana kita tinggal, atau kereta apa kita pandu, tapi jangan sedikit pun merasa superior atau inferior. Dalam Islam status, taraf manusia disisi Allah (SWT) adalah mengikut ketaqwaan mereka, Allah (SWT) berfirman:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْشُعُوباً وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَعَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
"..Sesungguhnya semulia-mulia kamu di sisi Allah ialah orang yang lebih takwanya di antara kamu..." [Surah Hujurat 13]

[/BANANA]

they also discussing about this on bincang.net - sorry no translation

May Allah always be with us...

 

[Nicola]

Peace Nicola:

I agree with you that intention means everything.

:thankyou:


Romans 14:13-23

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way.
14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

I think this scripture proves our point rather well... our intentions are everything

Colossians 2:16-23,
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.
19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules:
21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence


Titus 1:15.


To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

The difference is that Muslims believe every word in the Koran is the word of God.

Christains believe in the centerpiece of Christianity and everythng else is unimportant.

Thats why when Muslims find fault with the Bible Christains don't actually care.

So basically you can do anything you want aslong as you believe that christ is your saviour, whooptidoo heaven here i come?!
So what about someone like Hitler... if he believed christ was his saviour, is he saved?

 

[searchingsoul]

The difference is that Muslims believe every word in the Koran is the word of God.

Christains believe in the centerpiece of Christianity and everythng else is unimportant.

Thats why when Muslims find fault with the Bible Christains don't actually care.

The centerpiece of Christianity is what connects all Christian denominations. All other details can be argued amongst various Christians. The centerpiece that Joe is referring to is the core of Christianity and the most important.

 

[*Hana*]

The centerpiece of Christianity is what connects all Christian denominations. All other details can be argued amongst various Christians. The centerpiece that Joe is referring to is the core of Christianity and the most important.

Peace Searchingsoul:

So, the messages of Prophets Abraham, Moses, Noah, Adam, pbuta, warnings of Satan, God's Law, creation, etc.....none of that matters to Christians? By what you've just said, the only doctrine you need is Pauline Doctrine, none of the other Gospels and words of God are important? :? This version of the Bible is gonna be real thin.

Things sure have changed since I was a Christian. :rollseyes

Peace,
Hana

 

[searchingsoul]

Peace Searchingsoul:

So, the messages of Prophets Abraham, Moses, Noah, Adam, pbuta, warnings of Satan, God's Law, creation, etc.....none of that matters to Christians? By what you've just said, the only doctrine you need is Pauline Doctrine, none of the other Gospels and words of God are important? :? This version of the Bible is gonna be real thin.

Things sure have changed since I was a Christian. :rollseyes

Peace,
Hana

The Old Testament is good for reference but not the rules God gave to the "chosen people" are no longer applicable for Christians.

 

[IceQueen~]

The Old Testament is good for reference but not the rules God gave to the "chosen people" are no longer applicable for Christians.

no longer applicable..? what do u mean?