The centrepiece of Christianity

[primitivefuture]

I can't speak for other Christians but personaly for me the OT is very important.

That is the problem. Christianity is NOT uniform among Christians. People take whatever parts of the Bible (esp OT) seriously whenever they like it. No wonder why Christianity has so many denominations and there are so many versions of the Bible.

 

[akulion]

So in other words you are saying that Christianity is simply a "faith" with no instructions on how to live life?

Because if the Pork point becomes in valid based on 'faith alone'

then why turn the other cheek?

Why not commit adultery?

Why not commit murder?

These are things to think deeply about!

You cannot abondon the preachings and simply say I believe!

In the Quran we have "True believers are those in whose actions are manifest the teachings of Islam"

So really its something to think about - not to offend you or put u down but reading your initial post - I felt you are making Christianity look bad by basically saying that "it dosent matter what you do as long as you believe"

 

[Nicola]

That is the problem. Christianity is NOT uniform among Christians. People take whatever parts of the Bible (esp OT) seriously whenever they like it. No wonder why Christianity has so many denominations and there are so many versions of the Bible.

I've seen the same problems in Islam here...don't you think where ever there are humans there are problems?.....lol :happy:


Christianity isn't a cult...our faith is in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We do have laws to live by and if we don't live by those we are accountable to God.

Firstly though we must look to the plank in our own eye...before we try and remove the speck out of someone elses. This is what Jesus tells us.

 

[primitivefuture]

So in other words you are saying that Christianity is simply a "faith" with no instructions on how to live life?

No, that is what the OP is saying, and I disagree to this.

I've seen the same problems in Islam here...don't you think where ever there are humans there are problems?.....lol

How many denominations are there in Islam? How many "versions" of the Quran are there? You know the answer quite well.

Christianity isn't a cult...our faith is in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We do have laws to live by and if we don't live by those we are accountable to God.

What's funny is that Jesus never claimed he was son of God. And no, even though Christians have laws, most dont take them seriously. And statistics supports this well.

Firstly though we must look to the plank in our own eye...before we try and remove the speck out of someone elses. This is what Jesus tells us.

But in order to do this, you have to understand and identify Jesus first.

 

[primitivefuture]

So in other words you are saying that Christianity is simply a "faith" with no instructions on how to live life?

No, that is what the OP is saying, and I disagree to this.

I've seen the same problems in Islam here...don't you think where ever there are humans there are problems?.....lol

How many denominations are there in Islam? How many "versions" of the Quran are there? You know the answer quite well.

Christianity isn't a cult...our faith is in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We do have laws to live by and if we don't live by those we are accountable to God.

What's funny is that Jesus never claimed he was son of God. And no, even though Christians have laws, most dont take them seriously. And statistics supports this well.

Firstly though we must look to the plank in our own eye...before we try and remove the speck out of someone elses. This is what Jesus tells us.

But in order to do this, you have to understand and identify Jesus first.

 

[searchingsoul]

That is the problem. Christianity is NOT uniform among Christians. People take whatever parts of the Bible (esp OT) seriously whenever they like it. No wonder why Christianity has so many denominations and there are so many versions of the Bible.

How is this different than Islam? Are you forgetting about the different sects within Islam?

 

[searchingsoul]

post - I felt you are making Christianity look bad by basically saying that "it dosent matter what you do as long as you believe"

Because if a person believes they can ask for forgiveness.

 

[searchingsoul]

How many denominations are there in Islam?

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_sects.htm

I found the following sects.

Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, Kahrijites, Wahhabis, Ismailis, Zaidis, Fatimids, Nizari, Alawis, Druze, Baha'i

 

[mas]

then wats the point of calling them selves christian if they dont fallow their religion . a religion means that u fallow everything in it no matter wat. so im guessing that ppl just fallow wat like and wat comfort them.peace

 

[mas]

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_sects.htm

I found the following sects.

Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, Kahrijites, Wahhabis, Ismailis, Zaidis, Fatimids, Nizari, Alawis, Druze, Baha'i

actually its kinda the samething only few differences and actually they dont leave anything nor take some parts ( i know many shii and sunni as well) peace

 

[syilla]

yeah... i though a religion has to be perfect in every way...

 

[*Hana*]

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_sects.htm

I found the following sects.

Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, Kahrijites, Wahhabis, Ismailis, Zaidis, Fatimids, Nizari, Alawis, Druze, Baha'i

Baha'i: Their sacred texts are as follows:
Bahá'í scripture comprises the writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, together with the writings of 'Abdu'l-Baha. Among the better known writings of Baha'u'llah are, The Most Holy Book, The Book of Certitude, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, The Hidden Words and The Seven Valleys. There are many others books of Bahá'í scripture.

There is absolutely nothing Islamic about them. You have to understand that to be Muslim you also must believe Muhammed, pbuh, is the final messenger of God and the Qur'an the final revelation. Baha'i faith doesn't believe anything remotely similar to that.

The Druze: What is Islamic about this: One of the faith's holy books is called the Kitābu l-Ħikma or "Book of Wisdom", largely compiled by a mysterious figure called al-Muqtana. It has six volumes and compiled in chapters each covering a specific issue. The teachings denounce materialism, especially materialism relative to religion.

Druze religion does not allow them to intermarry with Muslims, Jews or members of any other religions.

Fatimids: Haven't existed since 1171.

(reference: Wikipedia)

We are told Islam will develop a total of 71 sects, but only 1 is correct. Some of these sects like the Fatimids, no longer exist.

However, all of them, except the ones noted, use the Qur'an....only ONE Qur'an and no other versions as there are no other versions. For the most part, where they differ or "branch off" is the accepting or not accepting of different caliphs, things of that nature. Of course, I can't speak for them all, because I don't know them all. :giggling:

Personally, I do not break the Ummah into sects and we are warned about doing exactly that. I don't know much about different sects by choice, to be honest. But, for me, if they believe in the Qur'an, follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, and are able to make the proclaimation of faith, then everything else is left to the judgement of Allah, swt.

Peace,
Hana

ps Apologies for going off topic.

 

[Nicola]

But, for me, if they believe in the Qur'an, follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, and are able to make the proclaimation of faith, then everything else is left to the judgement of Allah, swt.

exactly...this applys to Christianity also....

There are Christian sect I would not call Christians but it up to God to judge them...not man.

 

[Panatella]

How many denominations are there in Islam?

Well there are a number actually. Not as many as christianity, but then christianity has more followers and has been around longer. It is logical that more branches would form.
To name a few islamic sects, we have;
Sunni
Shi'ite
Sufi
Kahrijite
Druze
Ismaili
Wahhabi
Zaidi
Fatimid
Alawi
Nizari(the Assassins)
Baha'i

 

[syilla]

Quote:
But, for me, if they believe in the Qur'an, follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, and are able to make the proclaimation of faith, then everything else is left to the judgement of Allah, swt.


exactly...this applys to Christianity also....

There are Christian sect I would not call Christians but it up to God to judge them...not man.

that's why we believe everything quran says...

do you believe everything that's in the bible?

 

[*Hana*]

Well there are a number actually. Not as many as christianity, but then christianity has more followers and has been around longer. It is logical that more branches would form.
To name a few islamic sects, we have;
Sunni
Shi'ite
Sufi
Kahrijite
Druze
Ismaili
Wahhabi
Zaidi
Fatimid
Alawi
Nizari(the Assassins)
Baha'i

If you look up a couple of posts (someone already posted this exact list), you'll see the Druze and Baha'i have nothing to do with Islam, and the Fatimids haven't existed since 1171.

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Wahabi is just an invented term... they'll be saying takfeeri is a sect now.

 

[searchingsoul]

If you look up a couple of posts (someone already posted this exact list), you'll see the Druze and Baha'i have nothing to do with Islam, and the Fatimids haven't existed since 1171.

Wasalam,
Hana

The point still remains that there are different sects within Islam. Downplaying the legitimacy of Christianity by using the "different denomination" argument doesn't work for Muslims.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hi SearchingSoul,

The point still remains that there are different sects within Islam. Downplaying the legitimacy of Christianity by using the "different denomination" argument doesn't work for Muslims.

First of all, the sect list is incorrect. Ismaili, Zaidi, Fatimid, Alawi, Nizari and Druze are all branches off from Shi'ite. Baha'i is considered a totally seperate religion. The Khawawrij as a group/sect are no longer in existence. Sufis do not consider themselves a sect - they consider themselves Sunni. And 'Wahhabi' is a misnomer applied to sunni muslims. For more info see the 'sects' section of this forum.

So what it comes down to is really the Sunnis and the Shi'ah. The difference between Islam and Christianity here is that in Islam there is a clear majority (almost 90%). A clear majority of Muslims are agreed on the fundamentals whereas in Christianity right from the start we have the three branches of Roman Catholicism (58%), Protestantism (26%) and Eastern Orthodox (14%).

And then there is the issue of the different books in the Bible. Muslims on the other hand accept the same Qur'an.

Regards

 

[searchingsoul]

Hi SearchingSoul,

First of all, the sect list is incorrect. Ismaili, Zaidi, Fatimid, Alawi, Nizari and Druze are all branches off from Shi'ite. Baha'i is considered a totally seperate religion. The Khawawrij as a group/sect are no longer in existence. Sufis do not consider themselves a sect - they consider themselves Sunni. And 'Wahhabi' is a misnomer applied to sunni muslims. For more info see the 'sects' section of this forum.

So what it comes down to is really the Sunnis and the Shi'ah. The difference between Islam and Christianity here is that in Islam there is a clear majority (almost 90%). A clear majority of Muslims are agreed on the fundamentals whereas in Christianity right from the start we have the three branches of Roman Catholicism (58%), Protestantism (26%) and Eastern Orthodox (14%).

And then there is the issue of the different books in the Bible. Muslims on the other hand accept the same Qur'an.

Regards

Thanks for the explanation. I'll look at the sects forum.

"So what it comes down to is really the Sunnis and the Shi'ah."

I'll accept this rational but at the same time it implies that with Christianity it just comes down to three branches: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, and Eastern Orthodox.