The Decline of Christianity in the UK

[Ramadhan]

Okay, maybe I should've been a little bit clearer.

I see. So for catholics, human sexuality is not for procreation only, am I right? so does your previous statement still apply or what?:

And yes, we believe that human sexuality is sacred and should be used with the desire of procreation.

But then, this part confuses me:

Oral sex is not forbidden by the Church. Married couples can have oral sex as long as it's used as foreplay,

What if it does not end in intercourse? Does the pope still allow it, or is it sinful?
It just seems quite contradictory to me.

 

[Amigo]

Ok, I can help here...

According to Catholic Faith, it is a sin to have sex without being open to life (parenthood) and keep the bond forever (mariage)
Sex must be selfless not selfish basically.
For some people for some reasons, oral sex may help toward real sex (full natural communion), then and only then it is okay.
Anything that is toward selfishness is sinfull.

 

[Ramadhan]

According to Catholic Faith, it is a sin to have sex without being open to life (parenthood) and keep the bond forever (mariage) Sex must be selfless not selfish basically. For some people for some reasons, oral sex may help toward real sex (full natural communion), then and only then it is okay. Anything that is toward selfishness is sinfull.

So a married couple cannot even have sex just for the enjoyment in itself?
Because it is indeed selfish.

 

[YoungCatholic]

"Please note that oral sex and oral stimulation can be interchanged here. The point needs to be reemphasized:

Oral sex to climax for a man is a sin.

Oral sex to climax for a woman (without sexual intercourse with the husband finishing inside his wife) is a sin.

Oral sex forced on one or the other partner is a sin.

Oral sex used as foreplay in the marital act that is not degrading to either spouse and the act ends in the husbands ejaculation inside his wife's vagina is not a sin"

Q: if say they guy accidently ejaculates outside of the vagina, is he supposed to then transfer the semen and place it back into the vagina (making it then a procreative act)?

A: The act must be open to procreation, if a discharge takes place accidently outside the vagina the act was "open" to procreation because of the INTENT of the couple.


ON A SIDE NOTE:
Please, do not make fun of me. I honestly do not fully understand in this reasoning. I don't have a general idea of what intercourse is or foreplay (But I do know terms like ejaculation). I'm just getting answers that seem to answer your questions from catholic sources.

My thoughts in the most simplest form ever: Wasting sperm is considered a sin. As sperm equals sacred.

I really really hope this helped you out. Because I'm just getting random answers that seem to respond to your question as I do not understand your last question and the reasonings that I've posted fully (since I don't know some terms). And yes, I'm kind of like a pure-ish boy still, so yeah. Please understand

 

[YoungCatholic]

The Church doesn't say that the purpose of sex is only for procreation, but also for the bonding of husband and wife... as I used to say to my high school freshmen "for babies and bonding". Certainly there is pleasure that is involved in the sexual act, as there should be, between a husband and a wife. What the Church does say is that every sexual act must be open to life. Only engaging in oral sex would not be open to life, but using oral sex as a part of foreplay as long as the husband climaxes inside of his wife is perfectly fine (assuming of course, that the entire act is respectful to both people).

I second the recommendation of The Good News about Sex and Marriage by Christopher West or, as we used to call it in college "the purple book". I would recommend the other books mentioned, but I haven't read them (yet!). Though, I can say, that I've enjoyed everything I've read by Gregory Popkak.

 

[YoungCatholic]

^fogot to italicize and quote that. i need that message editor!

 

[Amigo]

So a married couple cannot even have sex just for the enjoyment in itself?
Because it is indeed selfish.

That's perversion, weaked, and vicious.
It's like eating for the simple purpose of the pleasure of food. Some people who do this go out, throw out, come back and eat again. Samething for people who practice sex just for pleasure. They eventually go to the bathroom and get rid of the seed (contraception/abortion), or hate each other if contraception failed...why because it was never about loving each other but about loving self...it was about using each other for self-pleasuring. Using other people as objects is sin since it violates their dignity. Sex is a reminder that people were meant as GIFT to each other not as SLAVE for each other. Redefining the Will of God is a sin and causes all those disorders and violence.

Pleasure is God's sign/gift indicating the goodness of the purpose of the act. Doing it just for pleasure is missing the memo or ignoring it. And this become ingratitude to His goodness.

 

[Amigo]

Sorry I meant 'wicked'...

 

[Riana17]

America has always been Secular also Christianity is dying because it is false.

indeed, it is the main reason

 

[Dagman]

actually Christianity's decline in the western world is for two main reasons. firstly we are increasingly more educated, and secondly we have complete freedom and are not forced or indoctrinated into religion.

believe me in 100 years there won't be any Muslims either. When you advance as a civilization you lose religion.

Also the amount of hatred for Christianity on this board is nonsensical. Christianity and Islam are very closely related.

 

[Who Am I?]

actually Christianity's decline in the western world is for two main reasons. firstly we are increasingly more educated, and secondly we have complete freedom and are not forced or indoctrinated into religion.

believe me in 100 years there won't be any Muslims either. When you advance as a civilization you lose religion.

Also the amount of hatred for Christianity on this board is nonsensical. Christianity and Islam are very closely related.

For the record, I don't hate Christians. If someone wants to be a Christian and it works for them, fine. It didn't work for me. I just know that the more I learn about Islam, the more it makes sense.

 

[جوري]

actually Christianity's decline in the western world is for two main reasons. firstly we are increasingly more educated, and secondly we have complete freedom and are not forced or indoctrinated into religion.

believe me in 100 years there won't be any Muslims either. When you advance as a civilization you lose religion.

Also the amount of hatred for Christianity on this board is nonsensical. Christianity and Islam are very closely related.

if the religion theme is about an immolating mangod then of course people outgrew that sometime during the middle ages.. I see no similarities between those who are idolaters and those who reason so that religion is satisfactory to both their heart and mind!
the rest of your rant we'll attribute to your inner child speaking..

best,

 

[Dagman]

For the record, I don't hate Christians. If someone wants to be a Christian and it works for them, fine. It didn't work for me. I just know that the more I learn about Islam, the more it makes sense.

Sorry but how does it make sense? Have you looked into the history of the foundations of Islam and its subsequent history? When studied objectively Islam makes absolutely no sense. Further, no rational person willingly accepts theistic views (the view that god is directly involved in their life). It's just utterly nonsensical.

 

[جوري]

Sorry but how does it make sense? Have you looked into the history of the foundations of Islam and its subsequent history? When studied objectively Islam makes absolutely no sense. Further, no rational person willingly accepts theistic views (the view that god is directly involved in their life). It's just utterly nonsensical.

Are you read on history?
further, most rational people accept theistic view, given that less than 10% of the population is atheistic and studies have shown that man's inclination is toward theism..
why don't you do a little research before you write?

 

[Dagman]

if the religion theme is about an immolating mangod then of course people outgrew that sometime during the middle ages.. I see no similarities between those who are idolaters and those who reason so that religion is satisfactory to both their heart and mind!
the rest of your rant we'll attribute to your inner child speaking..

best,

ok... so what about a man who uses a religion largely plagiarized from Christianity to unite tribes on the Arabic peninsula to forcibly conquer a city because he was banished from it? That sounds so much more convincing.

 

[Who Am I?]

Sorry but how does it make sense? Have you looked into the history of the foundations of Islam and its subsequent history? When studied objectively Islam makes absolutely no sense. Further, no rational person willingly accepts theistic views (the view that god is directly involved in their life). It's just utterly nonsensical.

So the universe is just a cosmic accident? There's too much order in it for that to be the case. I used to be an atheist and it was by studying astronomy and biology that I realized that there is a God.

Or else this is all just a cosmic joke and we're royally screwed either way.

 

[جوري]

ok... so what about a man who uses a religion largely plagiarized from Christianity to unite tribes on the Arabic peninsula to forcibly conquer a city because he was banished from it? That sounds so much more convincing.

Why not prove it?

give us chapter by chapter and show us the plagiarism and name some names in Arabia so fluent in Greek and Arabic tongue as to give us the Quran translated into its transcendent style covering all the aspects it covers and where Christianity completely fails the test of logic and surpasses to modern day, in the poetic style of the Quran, and at the same time give us two different style texts that being the hadith and the Quran from the same person..

put up or shut up how about it?

 

[Dagman]

Are you read on history?
further, most rational people accept theistic view, given that less than 10% of the population is atheistic and studies have shown that man's inclination is toward theism..
why don't you do a little research before you write?

your logic is severely lacking.

The world population includes hundreds of millions of people in compete poverty. You think they have any critical ability to think about religion? get over yourself.

Among educated countries Atheism is way more than 10%.

 

[Dagman]

Why not prove it?

give us chapter by chapter and show us the plagiarism and name some names in Arabia so fluent in Greek and Arabic tongue as to give us the Quran translated into its transcendent style covering all the aspects it covers and where Christianity completely fails the test of logic and surpasses to modern day, in the poetic style of the Quran, and at the same time give us two different style texts that being the hadith and the Quran from the same person..

put up or shut up how about it?

wait. first acknowledge that Mohammad had ulterior motives to create a religion. or do you deny that he united tribes on the arabic peninsula and fought a war against the city of mecca so that he could control it.

 

[جوري]

your logic is severely lacking.

The world population includes hundreds of millions of people in compete poverty. You think they have any critical ability to think about religion? get over yourself.

Among educated countries Atheism is way more than 10%.

I don't think you understand how logic works.. btw more scientific research comes out of Iran than the western world, if we are to go by your use of logic or lack thereof as a measure of reason. Educated people in your neck of the wood are usually from Asia or middle eastern countries check their names out sometimes..

Thanks for the guffaw otherwise, I'd request you take your own advise but I don't think anyone thinks much of you or what you write to care..

best