The Decline of Christianity in the UK

[جوري]

wait. first acknowledge that Mohammad had ulterior motives to create a religion. or do you deny that he united tribes on the arabic peninsula and fought a war against the city of mecca so that he could control it.

I don't acknowledge the faulty premises of under-educated trolls!

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[Dagman]

I don't think you understand how logic works.. btw more scientific research comes out of Iran than the western world, if we are to go by your use of logic or lack thereof as a measure of reason. Educated people in your neck of the wood are usually from Asian or middle eastern countries check it out sometimes!

Thanks for the guffaw otherwise, I'd request you take your own advise but I don't think anyone thinks much of you or what you write to care..

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logic means reasoning. you're reasoning was flawed. statistics need to be put into context before they can be useful at all, you failed to do so. understand now?

and what you said could not be more false about Iran and science. Just utterly wrong. My father is a biochemist with 5 degrees and I study biology at university. I think I know more than you do on the topic. You also conveniently failed to show any proof for your statement.

And the racial remark is also completely false. once again nothing to prove it. I bet you haven't even been to my country, let alone know about it's scientific community.

Do you just spew off nonsense to get rational people to leave this forum?

 

[Dagman]

I don't acknowledge the faulty premises of under-educated trolls!

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you deny the conquest of Mecca?

wow. I really pity people like you. You never had a chance to think for yourself.

 

[جوري]

logic means reasoning. you're reasoning was flawed. statistics need to be put into context before they can be useful at all, you failed to do so. understand now?

and what you said could not be more false about Iran and science. Just utterly wrong. My father is a biochemist with 5 degrees and I study biology at university. I think I know more than you do on the topic. You also conveniently failed to show any proof for your statement.

And the racial remark is also completely false. once again nothing to prove it. I bet you haven't even been to my country, let alone know about it's scientific community.

Do you just spew off nonsense to get rational people to leave this forum?

I have been looking for some sedative and I must thank you for managing to make me stifle a yawn..

here is a good read:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...fastest-scientific-growth-of-any-country.html

and here is another!

Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.

Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.

they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.




Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002

(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)

WASHINGTON — Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.

They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.

The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.

The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that 86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html

Thanks for sharing your credentials btw we're all so humbled and impressed!


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[Dagman]

I have been looking for some sedative and I must thank you for managing to make me stifle a yawn..

here is a good read:

and here is another!



Thanks for sharing your credentials btw we're all so humbled and impressed!


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Can you read? the article says that Iran's scientific is GROWING the fastest in the world. that doesn't mean that more Scientifc research comes from Iran than the western world. Also as My dad would tell you putting out papers, and the quality of research are two completely different things.

and I don't live in America. Nice try, but complete fail. try again.

 

[Dagman]

So the universe is just a cosmic accident? There's too much order in it for that to be the case. I used to be an atheist and it was by studying astronomy and biology that I realized that there is a God.

Or else this is all just a cosmic joke and we're royally screwed either way.

I'm an agnostic actually so my answer would be humanity doesn't understand that presently. I think it's arrogant just to say it must have been a God who created us and say it with certainty.

 

[al yunan]

I'm an agnostic actually so my answer would be humanity doesn't understand that presently. I think it's arrogant just to say it must have been a God who created us and say it with certainty.

First you where rude to my sister, for that I will hound you where ever you surface.
Oh I forgot you're Persian and that misoginy and total lack of decorum comes natural to you, still no excuse.
Amazing just arrived and already burned you bridges a true Persian son of Darius maker of enemies and foes.
You're a marked man already, best to sound the retreat, leave in reverse another traditional Persian custom @ss first.

 

[Dagman]

did you read our conversation? she was frequently rude to me and all I did was rebuke her arguments. if she says something wrong to me I will correct it. I know you have a problem with intellectual honesty.

incorrect/meaningless things she stated as fact:
-atheists are less than 10% of the world population
-Iran produces more scientific research than the entire western world
-I'm american
-My views on the future of all religions and my agnosticism are childish.
-I'm under-educated.

She just kept saying incorrect or meaningless things and attempted to use them to prove her position.

And I'm not Persian. Not even close. How about you have an open mind and look into other possibilities of the world instead of being hostile to me from the beginning because you have been taught to hate non-Muslims.

 

[جوري]

First you where rude to my sister, for that I will hound you where ever you surface.
Oh I forgot you're Persian and that misoginy and total lack of decorum comes natural to you, still no excuse.
Amazing just arrived and already burned you bridges a true Persian son of Darius maker of enemies and foes.
You're a marked man already, best to sound the retreat, leave in reverse another traditional Persian custom @ss first.

Ah akhi, first of all aslamu 'Alykoum wr wb..

you almost impart a human quality on a troll by replying to it. I realized ten seconds into this charade, that it is a complete waste of my time.. we don't quell every dog that barks, especially so when he's an untrained pup who creates an imaginary figure to reach to when desiring to cement an ailing view 'my father will tell you' .. even stating the obvious is a descent down, but I wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for being so chivalrous.. I appreciate to learn that when truly merited perhaps on a battle scene (lyes alghad 3anna be'ba3eed' that you'd be a true brother to me..

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

actually Christianity's decline in the western world is for two main reasons. firstly we are increasingly more educated, and secondly we have complete freedom and are not forced or indoctrinated into religion.

believe me in 100 years there won't be any Muslims either. When you advance as a civilization you lose religion.

Also the amount of hatred for Christianity on this board is nonsensical. Christianity and Islam are very closely related.

Shows how little you understand society develop over the years.

Cant believe people still peddle this line. Shallow to say the least.

 

[al yunan]

but I wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for being so chivalrous.

Assalamu Alaikum sister,

Chivalrous you say, that entails visions of knights. :embarrass
Where as here the only vision and blurred at that is a later day Don Quixote more decrepit and perhaps even more deluded for instead of a mule he rides an old arm chair and his windmill is an Internet troll.
But thanks anyway old guys like to hear stuff like that.
As I'm new, only a few months on the net I don't quite know all these terms, for one troll all I know is my instincts told me he is bad news. :heated: :Evil:
I know my behaviour was not, at all Islamic, but my knight's oath from my pre-Islam era got the better of me.
So, Me' Lady known as Lily of the Vale, I bid thee fair well and I returneth to my own lands yonder. :statisfie

Masalam

 

[Who Am I?]

I missed all of the action last night. Oh well. I had to get my sleep... :embarrass

 

[Zafran]

salaam

I missed it as well - oh well.

peace

 

[جوري]

it is all there believe me you haven't missed much..
btw what happened to the other colors of the forum.. it used to be orange skinned for me I forgot the name of that skin.. looks so sharp now not sure I like it

 

[Woodrow]

it is all there believe me you haven't missed much..
btw what happened to the other colors of the forum.. it used to be orange skinned for me I forgot the name of that skin.. looks so sharp now not sure I like it

I have not been here very often for the past couple of weeks. The change came as a surprise to me also. I am not quite able to explain the reason for the change ad I am not all that up to date on the programming, but from the little I do understand it was something needed to keep the forum functioning smoothly.