The demand that more Muslims ‘must condemn ISIS’ is racist and ridiculous

[Pygoscelis]

i learnt something on this forum called a "fatwa". can a fatwa be issued to stop muslims from joining ISIL?

A simple Google of " fatwa isis" shows that this was already happening when they still called themselves that.

 

[daveyats]

A simple Google of " fatwa isis" shows that this was already happening when they still called themselves that.

splendid

 

[.muslim girl.]

i'm an arab , and muslim
but i hate ISIS so much !
cause this is not islam
they killed muslims and christians in syria & iraq
so yeah they are terrorists
they loves bomb and rockets
that's why i hate them​

 

[saif-uddin]

I was raised Catholic and having a Pope is convenient. While he doesn't speak for individual Catholics, he speaks for Catholics as a whole. It seems Islam is lacking in such a figure. The Pope has the power to excommunicate those who do not follow Church doctrine, which means they are condemned to hell if they do not make amends. I know that I am nobody to tell Muslims what they should or shouldn't do, but it seems that in situations like this it would be convenient to have an Islamic "Pope" to excommunicate those who stray, as it seems is the case with ISIL.

We have a Concept of a Khalifa in Islam, who would rule the Muslimeen,

unfortunately the disease of Nationalism has divided every nation,

as for the Pope, he is a corrupt fellow, and Christians do not unanimously owe allegiance to him or agree with him anyway,

regards

 

[InToTheRain]

I was raised Catholic and having a Pope is convenient. While he doesn't speak for individual Catholics, he speaks for Catholics as a whole. It seems Islam is lacking in such a figure. The Pope has the power to excommunicate those who do not follow Church doctrine, which means they are condemned to hell if they do not make amends. I know that I am nobody to tell Muslims what they should or shouldn't do, but it seems that in situations like this it would be convenient to have an Islamic "Pope" to excommunicate those who stray, as it seems is the case with ISIL.

Thats a good point Hedron. The Scholars have already issues fatwas against ISIS:
​British Muslim leaders issue fatwa against ISIS — RT UK

Fatwa Against ISIS by the Syrian Islamic Council | Free Halab

However it's not going to stop ISIS. Basically ISIS are to Muslim what LRA is to Christians. However ISIS get more coverage because it's Mid East and there is a lot of political interest in those lands.

 

[Snow]

There are some news coming out that IS is banning teaching math.
If the news are true, how stupid is that?
Throughout history muslims have been very active in math, and all kinds of science.

Really odd.

 

[ardianto]

There are some news coming out that IS is banning teaching math.
If the news are true, how stupid is that?
Throughout history muslims have been very active in math, and all kinds of science.

Really odd.

From what I know IS doesn't ban math, but they ban teaching art and music in school, also ban school teaches history of Iraq and Syria.

 

[Pygoscelis]

There are some news coming out that IS is banning teaching math.
If the news are true, how stupid is that?
Throughout history muslims have been very active in math, and all kinds of science.

Really odd.

In the golden era of Islam (for lack of a better term) the major centres of learning were pretty much all in Islamic lands, as the Christian lands were stuck in the Dark Ages and burning witches at the stake. Tons of progress in math and science was made in Islamic lands back then. Something changed after that. I am curious what the Muslims here would say that was.

 

[BilalKid]

I hear they have quran institutions too isnt that a positive? ^o) What makes them bad people

 

[InToTheRain]

I hear they have quran institutions too isnt that a positive? ^o) What makes them bad people

If you read the details of the link I provided above you will see a detailed response of why they are deviants with many reasons given. I will give link below as well for your convenience

Fatwa Against ISIS by the Syrian Islamic Council | Free Halab

 

[Pygoscelis]

I hear they have quran institutions too isnt that a positive? ^o) What makes them bad people

They are killing lots of people and mounting their severed heads on sticks, just because they don't worship the same. Do you really need a Muslim scholar to tell you they are bad guys?

 

[Abz2000]

I was raised Catholic and having a Pope is convenient. While he doesn't speak for individual Catholics, he speaks for Catholics as a whole. It seems Islam is lacking in such a figure. The Pope has the power to excommunicate those who do not follow Church doctrine, which means they are condemned to hell if they do not make amends. I know that I am nobody to tell Muslims what they should or shouldn't do, but it seems that in situations like this it would be convenient to have an Islamic "Pope" to excommunicate those who stray, as it seems is the case with ISIL.

Lol the pope is a liar who deceives people about God - or he's just senile and forgot there's such a thing as the bible (unlikely).

Pope Francis spoke out Sunday*.......

...."All those forms which present a distorted use of religion, must be firmly refuted as false since they are unworthy of God or humanity," he said. "No one must use the name of God to commit violence. To kill in the name of God is a grave sacrilege. To discriminate in the name of God is inhuman."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/21/pope-denounces-perversion-of-religion-for-violence/16001425/

The day before amerikka invaded syria coincidental timing no doubt (irony).

Maybe he forgets how Moses pbuh is reported to have stoned a man to death for collecting food on the sabbath - and all those other wars conducted by Prophets in God's way mentioned over and over in the bible.

Jonah (Yūnus):10: 17 -
And Who does greater wrong than he who invents a lie concerning Allah and denies His Signs/Verses? Verily the criminals never are successful.

People used to say "u got more chance of getting a pound of clap off of the pope than achieving such and such".
Well I tell you: You got more chance of getting a pound of clap off of him than an honest religious verdict.
What a brazen, bald faced liar crusader puppet!!!

If he speaks for Catholics as a whole, No wonder he has you deluded into thinking it's ok to discriminate based on colonial borders (racism/nationalism based laws rather than God's laws), that three "gods" =1, that graven images should be bowed down to and that unitarians and Aryans were rightly suppressed (and slaughtered) by his predecessors for believing that there's only One God and that Jesus of Nazareth was a man approved of God.

The Pilgrimage (Al-Ĥaj)22:3 -4

Among mankind is he who disputeth concerning Allah without knowledge, and followeth each froward devil;

For him it is decreed that whoso takes him for friend, he verily will mislead him and will guide him to the punishment of the Flame.

The Quran of course only supports the Nazarenes (Nasarah) and condemns the 3=1 falsehood.

Bible:
5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,*6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

.... 13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:
for ye neither go in*yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.*
14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater ****ation.

Regarding the Christian tribe of Banu Taghlib, Ali, Radi-May God be pleased with him, ruled the following:
“Hafiz ibn Jawzi (RA) has narrated with his Sanad (chain of narrators) from Ali, Radi-Allahu anhu,
'Do not consume the slaughter of the Christians of Banu Taghlib since they have not held to any more of Christianity than their drinking of wine.'”
(Ibid pg.460 - from Tafseer Mazhari)

He (mr pontiff) must've been at the bottle heavily to have said that religion doesn't condone violence- especially since he was speaking while guarded by gun toting thugs, of course they can't have been loaded with slugs....(irony). And doesn't the vatican have it's own army trained in combat???


His speech came amid tightened security for the trip........lol

It seems Islam is lacking in such a figure. The Pope has the power to excommunicate those who do not follow Church doctrine, which means they are condemned to hell if they do not make amends.

Yup it lacks liars like the pope, we have someone called Caliph, who has the power to excommunicate (pronounce takfeer on) deviants/breakaway factions who don't follow the laws of the Islamic State, which keeps asking them to REPENT - for the Kingdom and Rule of God IS HERE!
Seems the crusader pope and his athiest friends don't like the Caliph for pronouncing takfeer on rebels in the Kingdom of God and are dismayed at the fact that he flogs and stones adulterers and punishes thieves and sodomites.

 

[Abz2000]

If you read the details of the link I provided above you will see a detailed response of why they are deviants with many reasons given. I will give link below as well for your convenience

Fatwa Against ISIS by the Syrian Islamic Council | Free Halab

Lol with the "syrian islamic council" i'm sure they get good seats in the alawite councils too.
You can get "islamic councils" a penny for a dozen to support usury, war against Islam and even gay marriage.
The fact that they don't get harassed by the satanists is evidence of their complacency.

There was a blessed man who once singled out a polythiest who had blasphemed God and harmed His Messenger: qaddim hu yaa 'aasim wa-dhrib 'unuqah.
Bring him forward O 'Aasim and strike his neck
He wasn't the Gandhi colonialist agent type.
His name was Muhammad pbuh.

The fact that they make amerikkka and it's traitorous allies desperate is a good indication of their steadfastness since the way of God and the way of Satan always clash.
But of course, God knows best.

 

[introspective]

Double standards: Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?) – Mondoweiss

What about the social elites and their thoughts of radical capitalism or psychopathic entrepreneurship?

 

[Abz2000]

Double standards: Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?) – Mondoweiss

What about the social elites and their thoughts of radical capitalism or psychopathic entrepreneurship?

We need EXTREMELY GOOD Muslims to counter those watered down "moderates" that are as worthless as propped up pieces of hollow timber.
Muslims who become furious when the truth is violated, who know the codes of conduct of war and retaliation in Islamic Shariah and are ready to respond when necessary.
Who are sympathetic towards believers in Allah
And don't find every possible excuse against the people who establish Islamic Shariah despite seeing and remaining complacent at the debauchery and sins of the enemies of Allah to which they cling so tightly.

 

[InToTheRain]

Lol with the "syrian islamic council" i'm sure they get good seats in the alawite councils too.
You can get "islamic councils" a penny for a dozen to support usury, war against Islam and even gay marriage.
The fact that they don't get harassed by the satanists is evidence of their complacency.

Bro,

You have seen my link on a previous thread where the Imam of AL-Aqsa Masjid condemns ISIS. Will you too label him with the same brush you just did to the Syrian council? I believe I also provided a link where Sunni Ulema of Lebanon condemned ISIS and it mentions in there their unjust killing of Muslims and Non-Muslims; whats your view on this?

You would be wrong to assume I support the corrupt leaders of America; UK; Israil/zionists etc because I condemn ISIS; I do this in light of the evidence provided to me. Please do feel free to go over the Syrian councils Fatwa and tell us how that Fatwa is wrong or incorrectly applied in this case. I believe this would be more constructive.

The fact that they make amerikkka and it's traitorous allies desperate is a good indication of their steadfastness since the way of God and the way of Satan always clash.
But of course, God knows best.

Interesting... Please do tell me who the army of God was and the army of Satan in the following wars:

1) When Aus And Khazraj fought before the arrival of Mohammad(SAW) in Madina.
2) When the Romans and Persians fought during the persecution phase of Mohammad(SAW) in Mecca and the Muslims wanted the Romans to Win.
3) When Ali(RA)'s army fought the army of Muaiyah(RA) during the battle of Camel

 

[Abz2000]

My dear sister and everyone else, Wa'alaikumussalaam wr wb.

I don't believe i am able to make it black and white since there are many layers of deception and hidden motives in the projected opinions we see today. I'll try to explain it this way:

Every time a Prophet or group has tried to establish Allah's law, the forces of evil have made common cause to attack it. Studying the life of Prophet Jesus pbuh should give one an idea of the level of co-operation the Roman occupiers of Quds were able to achieve with the Chief Priest, scribes and Pharisees of Jerusalem - who had usurped the positions of the ultimate Muslim authority at the time. They would follow and hound him and find every excuse to accuse him of every evil in Jewish Law and cause of woe on the people - it is also recorded that (despite the softie image portrayed by popes and governments) Jesus pbuh hung around with "zealots" (militant revolutionaries) despite the political scrutiny and close observation he was subjected to and references have also been made to a particularly vicious type of militant company - the sicarii (assassin types) who spared no efforts to brutalize Roman colonialist soldiery and Jewish traitor agents.


The Muslims with the Prophet Muhammad pbuh were also put in the worst light despite having been non-militant for the first 13 years of the call. They did however commit acts considered crimes in Islam and arab nationalism afterwards which were condemned as terrorism of the worst order by those commiting crimes with no end. One example is the attack on Quraishi caravans in the sacred months. After all the hulabaloo God revealed the verses : they ask you about the sacred months, fighting therein.... Ila aakhiril ayah. The Prophet pbuh himself is reported to have taken his cut from the booty afterwards. If i wanted to, i myself could bring forth instances to unfairly claim that the Prophet pbuh himself was unislamic - that is - out of context.

This doesn't prove anything or absolve anyone, it is however something to keep in mind.

What is more pin-pointable is the fact that Islamic State enemies have on record carried out false flag attacks and blamed them on osama, al qaeda, saddam etc and are also guilty of carrying out covert operations to which no reference has been made.

With I.S and A.Q however, they are quick and eager to accept responsibility for their operations and have even given out compensation in certain cases despite being underground organizations. It is an indication of fidelity and sincerity. I.S also release annual "accounts" of operations with estimated body counts so as to leave no confusion.

Thirdly, i noticed al maqdisi, mufti of jordan etc were quick to condemn the Caliphate at instance one, on the grounds of lack of consultation and wider consensus. This despite the fact that even milder organizations are criminalized and sought out for attempting to establish a united ummah state and the impracticality of an ummah vote. Plus the fact that the first four Caliphs of Islam were all elected to position using different methods according to circumstances.

The main aim was to get a practical consensus from the active members within the establishment and demand allegiance from all other groups and citizens, with the case of abu bakr assiddeeq (ra) he had to take the sword against so called Muslims who had taken shahadah, , fought jihad, prayed and fasted but refused to submit to the State and pay zakat. He pronounced takfir on them and slew many - even 'Umar (ra) questioned his stance.

The baya' to the Prophet pbuh himself was conducted in secret and then implemented in stages.

And finally, my questioning of the motives of maqdisi etc were confirmed when he demanded that I.S hand over the hostage which western media claimed was just a food deliverer and others who were claimed to be reporters, simply based on western kafir lying government claims.

The Islamic way of doing such would have been to ask them to release them on the condition that media claims were true, since it's unlawful to kill someobe who's handing out food. However it was an accusatory unconditional demand with no basis.

After looking into the history of one of the reporters, i found that Israeli spies had worked around the clock to hide any reference to his zionist background and suspicious motives.

That gave me an indication that mr al maqdisi (who is praised by the jordanian government) is engaged in a warped propaganda battle and not a sincere Islamic quest to make the Word of God highest.

And Allah knows best.

Deconstruct lies, reconstruct Decency

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: STEVEN SOTLOFF’S LINKS TO MOSSAD & CIA

Sotloff’s close links to Israeli counter-intelligence, emergence from same stable as Foley, and equally amazing ability to be ‘on the spot’ to cover Black Arts events in Middle East

That Steven Sotloff is Jewish isn’t exactly a secret. But what many media titles this morning have glossed over is that he studied at Tel Aviv’s Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC) before beginning his career. Located on the same campus at the core of of IDCs philosophy is the International Institute for Counter Terrorism. Its links to Mossad are well known. The Slog tries to join up some dots.

Just because I.S don't fear the blame of blamers and don't always bend over backwards responding to every accusation to explain themselves, it doesn't mean we shouldn't do our own research despite a 1984 style memory hole in action - they turned him into an "unperson"....

Michael Bassin, 28, looking at Twitter posts from the extremist group ISIS. Bassin monitored the posts as part of a volunteer effort to ensure there were no mentions online of captured American journalist Steven Sotloff's Jewish and Israeli identity.

.When the Islamist militia ISIS posted a video last month threatening to kill captive American journalist Steven Sotloff, the situation was dire enough. But there was one secret that could potentially have made things even worse: Sotloff was Jewish and a dual citizen of Israel and the US.

To hide that fact from his ISIS captors, who call themselves the Islamic State, a group of Sotloff's friends and volunteers worked around the clock to keep the captors from discovering his secret.
Sotloff captivity itself was also largely a secret. ISIS held Sotloff for a year, but even many of his friends didn’t know he'd been abducted.*But then, the extremist group posted a video of journalist James Foley’s beheading, during which Sotloff appeared. They threatened to kill him next.

.His friend, Gregg Roman, called Sotloff’s father to offer any assistance.*“He said, 'Do what you can do to help our son,'” says Roman, who went to college in Israel with Sotloff. “I said, 'I’m going to make sure that no harm comes to Steven because of his identity.'” * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * **Roman, who directs the Jewish Community Relations Council in Pittsburgh, assembled a group of friends and various web experts for one mission: To clean the Internet of*any mention that Sotloff was Jewish*or Israeli.

One man recruited for the task was Michael Bassin, an American Jew based in Tel Aviv who travels throughout the Arab Middle East as a trade consultant.“In the Arab world, they’ve been taught very little about what Jewish people are actually like,” Bassin says. “They are taught they are sinister, they have really poor intentions. Being a Jewish person and being a nice guy do not go hand in hand.
So if they found out he was Jewish and Israeli, that means he was a spy and it would have expedited his murder. That was the belief.”Bassin monitored mostly Arabic media and ISIS' Twitter posts. He didn’t find anything that revealed Sotloff’s secret, but he heard a journalist in Israel was writing a story on Sotloff’s Israeli identity. Bassin pushed the journalist to hold the story.

.Roman says volunteers worked in shifts to monitor the Internet around the clock, and his group swiftly contacted American media outlets to remove any reference to Sotloff’s Jewish background.That included one piece in The New York Times, which was*swiftly edited to remove mention of Sotloff's Jewish background. “The New York Times article, with the reference, was removed in 27 minutes,” Roman says.

.The effort also went far beyond media accounts. The volunteer group asked friends of Sotloff to remove tags of him in Facebook photos, and it successfully petitioned Facebook to remove Sotloff’s profile, Roman said. It persuaded a rabbi in Los Angeles to remove a sermon online about Sotloff’s Jewish background, and even contacted members of the synagogue to ask them to keep quiet.

One volunteer even went to Sotloff’s old college campus in Israel and removed a graduation photo of him from the wall, Roman said.

.All in all, Roman says, there were some 4,000 online mentions of Sotloff’s Jewish and Israeli identity the group worked to remove.“Maybe we overreacted in some cases,” Roman says. “But whatever it was that we did, it worked.”A security expert familiar with the Sotloff case says he believes*the volunteers had good intentions, but that their efforts were pointless.*ISIS held Sotloff for a year, he says, and his captors could have seen whatever was online about Sotloff during that time. The expert is speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to discuss the matter publically.Bassin, the volunteer in Israel, says the fact that Sotloff was kept alive for a year gave his fellow volunteers the feeling that they could still do something even after his captivity was made public.Sotloff’s captors may not have known about his Jewish and Israeli identity.*An Israeli news channel aired a taped conversation with a man it identified as a recently released French captive held along with Sotloff. The man said Sotloff’s Jewish identity was secret during their time in captivity together.And on Sept. 2, when ISIS released a video of Sotloff's beheading, his executioner made clear that his death was in response to US strikes on Islamic State militants — there was no mention of Sotloff's religion or Israeli citizenship.In the end, Bassin believes his group spared Sotloff from being killed for his religion.“Steven was brutally executed, but at the very least he was not executed because he was a Jew,” Bassin says. “We can take some measure of pride that we could stem that flow of information. I think Steven’s memory will be a blessing.”A previous version of this story included a headline stating that no one had found out about Sotloff's Jewish and Israeli identity. While the group of volunteers petitioned many news outlets to remove mention of Sotloff's background, some news outlets had already been withholding the information.

I'm pretty certain that most would agree - Such lengths and backing is not afforded to the average joe - whatever the situation, and that there is a strong reason to suspect that he was more than just a journalist. But regardless, I.S was just blankly accused by many Muslim leaders for beheading innocent journalists based on western media tales.

Does anyone else see a concerted effort to discredit I.S without any unbiased effort to delve deeper?

Peace be upon you.

 

[Abz2000]

Some words of wisdom from a concerned brother (may Allah accept his sincere efforts inshaAllah)


The Romans, Syria, Khilafah Islamiyah NATO

The Romans, Syria, Khilafah Islamiyah NATO - YouTube

And some indication of motive and "cui bono" from discrediting the Islamic State.

One may be enlightened as to whether this is concern about I.S "crimes" or an*attempted attack on Islam, since we know that the Romans would form a coalition to attack the assisted sect in Syria with the aim of stifling a resurgent Islamic unification.

POLITICAL COMMENTS

Tony Blair, In a speech at Labour Party National Conference, stated:*“What we are confronting here is an evil ideology......They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all Westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and government; the establishment of effectively Taliban states and Shariah law in the Arab world en route to one caliphate of all Muslim nations


.”Charles Clarke,*In a speech on Counter Terrorism at The Heritage Foundation (a neoconservative think tank, Washington DC) stated:

“What drives these people on is ideas. And unlike the liberation movements of the post World War II era in many parts of the world, these are not in pursuit of political ideas like national independence from colonial rule, or equality for all citizens without regard for race or creed, or freedom of expression without totalitarian repression. Such ambitions are, at least in principle, negotiable and in many cases have actually been negotiated. However there can be no negotiation about the re-creation of the Caliphate; there can be no negotiation about the imposition of Shariah law; there can be no negotiation about the suppression of equality between the sexes; there can be no negotiation about the ending of free speech. These values are fundamental to our civilization and are simply not up for negotiation.”


Lord Curzon, After the termination of Khilafat, the secretary expressed his views, in the following words:

"The point at issue is that Turkey has been destroyed and shall never rise again, because we have destroyed her spiritual power: the Caliphate and Islam."

Lord Curzon, the British Foreign Minister at the time of the Caliphate's end, appear to have best caught the Caliphate's significance when he announced to the House of Commons:
"The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again, because we have destroyed its moral strength, the Caliphate and Islam"."We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Caliphate, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity"


Sir Campbell Bannerman, [Prime Minister of Britain (1905-08)]“
There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another ... if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.” -

1902*Lord Zetland [March 24, 1940, British Secretary of State for the colonial India]

“[T]he call of Islam is one which transcends the bounds of country. It may have lost some force as a result of the abolition of Caliphate by Mustafa Kamal Pasha, but it still has a very considerable appeal as witness for example Jinnah’s insistence on our giving undertaking that Indian troops should never be employed against any Muslim state, and the solicitude which he has constantly expressed for the Arabs of Palestine.


”President Bush
*“The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia
"“The murderous ideology of the Islamic radicals is the great challenge of our new century. Yet, in many ways, this fight resembles the struggle against communism in the last century."***


* Cheney [Vice President, Speech in Sydney, Australia February 2007]" ...
And it is they, the terrorists, who have ambitions of empire. Their
goal in the broader Middle East is to seize control of a country, so they have a base from which they can launch attacks against governments that refuse to meet their demands. Their ultimate aim -- and one they boldly proclaim -- is to establish a caliphate covering a region from Spain, across North Africa, through the Middle East and South Asia, all the way to Indonesia. And it wouldn't stop there.*...The war on terror is more than a contest of arms, and more than a test of will. It is a battle of ideas...


."Donald Rumsfeld [US Secretary of Defense, December 5 2005]

]In a speech at the Paul Nitze School of Advanced Studies at Johns Hopkins:"..

.Iraq would serve as the base of a new Islamic caliphate to extend throughout the Middle East and which would threaten the legitimate governments in Europe, Africa, and Asia. This is their plan. They have said so. We make a terrible mistake if we fail to listen and learn...


."Eric Edelman [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy]December 1, 2005, Council on Foreign Relations, Washington, DC*"

...So I think we need to be very clear. Iraq's future will either embolden terrorists and expand their reach and ability to establish a — reestablish a caliphate, or it will deal them a crippling blow. For us, failure in Iraq is just not an option


..."General John Abizaid, [Chief of US Central Command, 29th Sept. 2005]In a speech to US law makers said:

:"Al Qaeda terrorists hope to drive American influence from the Middle East and install a global Muslim leader in Saudi Arabia.....If al Qaeda terrorists manage to take control of Saudi Arabia, they will try to create and expand their influence in the region and establish a caliphate."Abizaid said al Qaeda would subsequently move on to apply a "very narrow, strict interpretation of Shariah, Islamic law, not believed in or practiced anywhere else in the world today.......The next goal would be to expand into non-Arab Islamic countries. This would include the middle of Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia".*

At another occasion,Gen. John Abizaid said:

: “We are fighting the most despicable enemy ... who uses the 21st century-technology to spread their vision of a 7th-century paradise (and) try to re-create what they imagine was the pure and perfect Islamic government of the era of the prophet Muhammad


.”Gen. Richard Myers, [The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff]While addressing a Pentagon news conference stressed:

:“If the Zarqawis of the world were allowed to be successful in Iraq in their view, and that would be the start of the caliphate that they envision, the stakes would be huge for the region,


"Henry Kissinger, [Nov 2004]Asked in an interview “What in your opinion are the principal threats of the age?

” He answered - “First, is what we call terrorism in the United States, but which is really the uprising of radical Islam against the secular world, and against the democratic world, on behalf of re-establishing a sort of Caliphate. That is directed as much against moderate Islam, than it is against non-Islamic societies.


.”Patrick J. Buchanan, [June 23, 2006. Founder of magazine


‘The American Conservative’. Has served three presidents in the White House]


“If Islamic rule is an idea taking hold among the Islamic masses, how does even the best army on earth stop it? Do we not need a new policy?”

President Vladimir PutinThe Russian leader said at a European Union summit in Brussels that western civilisation faced a mortal threat from Muslim terrorists, and claimed that they had plans to create a "worldwide caliphate"."…The creation of a caliphate on the territory of the Russian Federation is only part one of their plan. In fact, if you are following the situation, you surely know that the radicals are pursuing a larger goal: They are talking about the creation of a world caliphate…

”The Washington Post [January 14, 2006]The Washington Post headed an article with the title " Reunified Islam: Unlikely but Not Entirely Radical, Restoration of Caliphate, Attacked by Bush, Resonates With Mainstream Muslims", arguing that such a call is not radical nor only resonant with Islamic guerrilla movementsTerrorism - From a War on Terror to a War of Ideasby David Lazarus"..

.The underlying belief of the jihadists appears to be that the re-establishment and enforcement of strict Islamic law in these territories will bring about an almost mystical rebirth of a just, pure and perfect society for all true Muslims. The appeal of such a vision is potent within the Middle East in particular and can be easily understood when one examines the general failure of modernity that prevails in most sectors of Arab society. 7 Any Islamist revolution throughout the entire Middle East has, however, been thwarted by authoritarian dictatorships within the region, such as those of Egypt and Saudi Arabia..

."Peter Costello (Ex Australian Treasurer), 2006, Australian Christian Lobby:

:“There are countries that claim to be theocratic Islamic States, for example, The Islamic Republic of Iran, The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, The Islamic Republic of Mauritania. There are other countries that enforce religious or Sharia Law – the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. But for the radical Islamists even this is not enough. They have a vision of a Caliphate stretching across the Middle East toppling what they see as corrupt nation states and enforcing a more “pure” version of Islam. In our own region the ambitions of Jemaah Islamiyah is to create a Pan-Islamic State stretching down and encompassing the southern Philippines, Malaya and Indonesia.


.”Alexander Downer, 2005, Centre for Muslim States and Societies (UWA):

“Let's be crystal clear about what the terrorists are seeking. Let's strip away the rhetoric and focus on the type of world they want to create. Their goal is to create a new extremist Caliphate in the Muslim world - a Taliban style theocracy. In South-East Asia they want to drive out western influence and establish a fundamentalist regime across Indonesia, Malaysia, Southern Thailand and Southern Philippines. The same for the Middle-East - a Caliphate stretching from the Caucuses to North Africa. They want to get rid of democracy in these countries and replace it with a puritanical regime that denies individual freedoms. Nothing complicated about that ideology. A perverted interpretation of Islamic law, no tolerance of diversity.”

Whoever should think that Allah will not support [Prophet Muhammad] in this world and the Hereafter - let him extend a rope to the ceiling, then cut off [his breath], and let him see: will his effort remove that which enrages [him]?

Quran (The Pilgrimage) 22:15

 

[InToTheRain]

Abz I agree with you that the reporter is most likely was a Mosad agent and there are layers of deception. I also agree ZOG will stop at nothing to stop Muslims from getting what they want in their own nation and I support Hamaz, Taliban (the founders anyway) and supported Sadam in his stance against ZOG.

However ISIS is a botched operation to overthrow Asad. Make no mistake; ISIS are not in it for Islam; as the Imam of Al-Aqsa Masjid said they want the "dirty chair" (Political power).

The facts are here:
“ISIS –An American-CIA-Mossad-Saudi Intel Covert Operation”
“ISIS –An American-CIA-Mossad-Saudi Intel Covert Operation” By Feroze Mithiborwala

ISIS leader is a Jew:
NEWS DIGEST: ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi = Jewish Mossad Agent!

 

[Abz2000]

Wa'alaikumussalam wr wb
I don't pretend to know the unseen so i won't claim that i am certain of their validity or invalidity,
But i am careful since last time i fell into the trap of assuming OBL was a western intel asset.
And since i know their accusers are liars, i would tend to give I.S the benefit of the doubt.

Bear in mind that even 'Umar (ra) developed suspicions about the Prophet pbuh when he (pbuh) caved to demands at hudaybiyyah.
It was Abu Bakr Assiddeeq (ra) who brought him back to his senses.
So we know there will only be grey areas until the picture is clear.

Best we can do is follow Quran and sunnah and judge in that light, and yes, there are valid reasons for suapicion but it may be due to false flags or mistakes too, since it is a certainty that the Mujahideen on the front lines are mostly there for genuine purposes and have only joined groups for the purpose of co-ordination.

God knows best but i'll keep a good opinion of them until proven otherwise - since they are portrayed as monsters by the western kuffar media-
and I don't want to give them a green light to kill mujahideen fi sabeelillah.