The Descriptions of Paradise In Islam

[FS123]

"Peace the God with no name bless you."
You made an oxymoron there. First you are saying "God" which is a name then go on to say with no name.

 

[FS123]

Another thing, why don't you search the forum first, they questions have been asked so many times. Why We is used, why crescent, etc... I would recommend reading an Islamic book or take course in Islam, these are very basic questions.

I'm currently reading http://www.amazon.co.uk/Islam-Destiny-Man-Charles-Eaton/dp/0946621470 very good book for getting to know theology in Islam. Read it if you are really interested in learning about Islam but if your not good in English language then it will be difficult read. From reading your posts it looks like you are not proficient in English language.

 

[JOHNJOHN]

Greetings of peace



Does it not say in the Qur'aan that Allaah placed them on the earth? where does it say in the hadeeth those people are the first people of paradise to eat the liver of a fish? how can it be that once Adam and Eve are placed back on earth, you consider them to be of those who are referred to in the hadeeth as those whose 'first meal' it is, where as far as my knowledge goes its not stated anywhere of Adam and Eve going to jannah when they die? I mean are you saying that once they Adam and Eve were placed on earth they didnt die? if they did die where did they go? And if that is the case they 'may' have been of those people to be amongst those who had the first meal, but if you read the verse carefully you will come to know it mentions those who do righteous deeds who enter the paradise..and those who are not amognst the righteous do not enter paradise. So it means they have to be on earth. reason why Adam and Even (as) were placed back on earth.



Did i deny that? or you didnt understand what i said in my previous post, prove to me that the hadeeth is referring to Adam and Eve!!!




I hope not either!




I dont know why thats a problem when you've never been to paradise or you seem to not like the idea.



If that is what is states in the hadeeth and thats what it means I or no other muslim have no problem with what we are being served, then why do you?. I am not totally sure if you are aware there are things in Islaam Allaah (God) forbids and has made permissable upon us, but for reasons. Forbidden for our own safety and permissable for our own good. So as a muslim it doesnt affect me with what we eat, or what we are served to eat. we know very well its from our lord.




If it was a contradiction as you stated yourself, where does it say there is a second meal where we are not allowed to choose what we want in paradise? how does it contradict the first meal to where we are allowed to eat what we want? how do you know the ayah isnt referring to after the first meal?

if you read the verse you posted carefully..verse 15 from surah Al Furqaan, may i ask what does Al Furqaan mean?

"Say: (O Muhammad SAW) \"Is that (torment) better or the Paradise of Eternity promised to the Muttaqun (pious and righteous persons - see V.2:2)?\" It will be theirs as a reward and as a final destination."[Al Qur'aan 25:15]


And also did you notice how the verse is speaking to those who are the Muttaqun-pious and righteous persons, and speaking about those who are and are not of those muttaqun they are either given paradise or hellfire.. but Adam and Eve were in heaven when they ate from the forbidden tree. How is the verse then referring to them, when Adam and Eve are placed on earth for the first time?

"And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers)."Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."Then Adam received from his Lord Words . And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve. But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) such are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever."[Al Qur'aan-2:35-39]

meaning when guidance from Allaah comes upon Adam and Eve (as) they should follow the guidance, those who do there is no fear upon them and those deny all that which is mentioned in the verse are of those that is also mentioned in the verse. so this means those who follow the guidance are of the paradise. do i make sense?




peace to you too..

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(Every) fruit (enjoyment) will be there for them; they shall have whatever they call for;
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Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity,

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Therein will they recline (at ease): Therein can they call (at pleasure) for fruit in abundance, and (delicious) drink;


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Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.

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There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security;

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(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?

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And We shall bestow on them, of fruit and meat, anything they shall desire.


In the Quran we have many verses about fruits and Adam and Eve they ate from a tree.

Lets see the hadeeth once again:

[FONT=&quot]Abu Sa’eed (RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]“The first meal which the people of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Paradise[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will take will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot](Al-Bukhari).[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Q : what will be the first not the second or third Meal will take or if you prefer will eat the people of paradise.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Allah always talk about the fruits and others but never about the fish in the paradise.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I suppose Adam and Eve are dead they were the first human to enter to paradise and when they disobey to Allah they were sent on earth.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I do not like the idea to have for first meal something that I do not choose I do not like the conception. Because Allah in the Quran says we can have what we want and in another side we have to eat the Liver of the Fish ? why not the eyes or lunge….[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Do you know in religion and your everyday life you have to think, because God can not make any mistake, allowed, forbid things which are not logical.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]An advice I can give to somebody who is a part of a religion first of all to search the mistake can make the God worshiped. Because if you do not find anything strange or illogical and you feel free inside yourself not like a prisoner or a slave. You can say to yourself that can be the real religion.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Al Furquaan if I do not forget its things to distinguish the false from the truth, no ?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]PEACE

 

[FS123]

I do not like the idea to have for first meal something that I do not choose I do not like the conception. Because Allah in the Quran says we can have what we want and in another side we have to eat the Liver of the Fish ? why not the eyes or lunge….

Is that even a serious question? Or your intelligence is that bad? Al Furquaan is the Quran, and if the hadiths goes against the Quran than it is false. We don't take the hadith as infallible. But I don't really see any issue here, it is a general statement and it maybe allegorical. From a sincere person, it is expected to have intelligent questions unless IQ is in the negative.

 

[JOHNJOHN]

Is that even a serious question? Or your intelligence is that bad? Al Furquaan is the Quran, and if the hadiths goes against the Quran than it is false. We don't take the hadith as infallible. But I don't really see any issue here, it is a general statement and it maybe allegorical. From a sincere person, it is expected to have intelligent questions unless IQ is in the negative.

Peace


What do you think about the hadeeth bellow :

Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said: “The believers, after being saved from the Hellfire, will be stopped at a bridge between Paradise and Hell, and mutual retaliation will be established among them regarding wrongs they have committed in the world against one another. After they are cleansed and purified (through the retaliation), they will be admitted into Paradise. By Him in whose hand Muhammad’s soul is, everyone of them will know his dwelling in Paradise better than he knew his dwelling in this world.” (Bukhari).

You seems to be a very clever personn are you arogant ?


We are going to test your logical and intelligence in front of every body, please nobody answer.

Tell me if it’s a true hadeeth and what do you understand about the bridge.



Peace.:statisfie

 

[FS123]

We are going to test your logical and intelligence in front of every body, please nobody answer.

I had my doubts, but with that I'm sure you were here with an agenda. People who come to learn don't say things that and try to bait people.


I don't claim to be master in hadith but I'll give my understanding for those who might want know.

Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said: “The believers, after being saved from the Hellfire, will be stopped at a bridge between Paradise and Hell, and mutual retaliation will be established among them regarding wrongs they have committed in the world against one another. After they are cleansed and purified (through the retaliation), they will be admitted into Paradise. By Him in whose hand Muhammad’s soul is, everyone of them will know his dwelling in Paradise better than he knew his dwelling in this world.” (Bukhari).

Hadith is quiet obvious to me and two important parts I'll highlight.

"mutual retaliation will be established among them regarding wrongs they have committed in the world against one another" I don't know the actual arabic, but seems like settling of score, dues etc...
"everyone of them will know his dwelling in Paradise better than he knew his dwelling in this world." Seems like related to previous part I quoted that due to the settling of dues everyone will know their place in paradise.

So in my opinion, it is saying which is similar to what another hadiths says: on the day of judgement there will be no money, so the only currency will be the good deeds. And people who have done wrong against another like back biting, etc... dues will be settled by giving goods to the wronged and people will get a better place or lesser place based on these dues in Paradise. This hadith is related to that and in spirit it is saying the same thing don't do wrong to others, for example, back biting, cheating, etc...

 

[*charisma*]

Assalamu alaikum

Heres a translation of a poem called "Nooniya" by ibn alqayyim

[Opening]

That is only out of fear it should be attained,
By any expect the one deserving, and your lord is most knowledge of the creation.

And even if it should be concealed from us with every disliked thing,
And surrounded by that which troubles the soul.

[Entering Jannah]

By Allah what delights are contained inside,
And all manners of pleasure for the soul to enjoy.

And from Allah is the sweetness of life in its pavilions,
Its gardens and in the meadow which will make one smile.

[Seeing Allaah]

And to Allah belongs its vallley where there is promise of increase,
For those who love Allah; if only I could be of them.

In that valley, the lover wanders,
And he sees the wandering to be a great attainment.

And from Allah is the joy of the lovers when,
He addresses them from above and greets them with salam.

And by Allah, when they see Allah directly,
Neither shall darkness cover their sight nor shall they tire.

Say O what a glance which gives a brightness to the face,
Can the enthralled lover ever forget after that?

[Al-Hoor Al-‘Ayn]

And by Allah, how many fair (maidens), if only were to smile,
She would radiate light brighter then the break of dawn.

So how great is the enjoyment of the eyes when she approaches,
And how great is the enjoyment of the ears when she speaks.

And O what a timidness like a soft branch when she leans near,
And O what bashfulness when she smiles.

So if your heart is afflicted with love for her,
There is no cure except to consummate with her.

Particularly in her kiss when she embraces you,
As her wrist rest against your neck.

When she unveils to him the beauty of her face,
He will take pleasure in that before they have even consummated.

The eye delights at seeing her.
(Also) there are all manners of fruit which never go out of season.

[The Fruits Of Jannah]

Bunches of grapes and apples of the garden,
And pomegranates, all manner of fruits enthralling the heart.

And roses adorn its fields,
And wine is passed around to taste.

All manners of beauty are gathered together,
O what a wondrous gathering it is.

It has mant types of beauty which altogether,
Make it impossible to forget.

[Remembering Allaah]

Remember Ar-Rahman who is watching always,
So pronounce Tasbih without stuttering,

So that whenever you face the army of despair,
It shall turn back on its heals vanquished.

[Propose To Your Hoor]

So O you who would propose to the beautiful maidens,
If you desire, then now is the time when dowry must be prepared.

So once the vigor of youth passes from him,
He knows for sure that he shall not reach decrepit old age.

Hate all those women who are treacherous to her love,
Then you will attain her rather then them, and thus attain happiness.

Avoid all those besides her for indeed it is,
For the likes of you alone that she waits in paradise.

[How To Attain Paradise]

And fast the day nearest to you, perhaps tomorrow,
You will enjoy the ‘Eed of Fitr while the people are fasting.

And go forward, be not satisfied with a base life,
No one attains pleasure without effort.

[A Believer Is A Stranger In This Life]

And if the whole world should be restricted for you,
And you should have not even a known place to stay.

Then come to Gardens of Eternity,
For they are our first dwelling places and they contain many pavilions.

We are prisoners in the hands of enemies; do you think,
We shall return to our lands and have peace?

They claim that when the stranger goes out,
And his lands are far way, he becomes infatuated (with it).

What strangeness is greater then ours,
For which the enemies have taken every measure against us.

Come to the marketplace where the lovers meet,
That is the place that is know for them.

Whatever you like, take without payment,
For the traders have made all advance payments and given up their goods.

[A Honorable Meeting With Allaah]

And come to the day of increase in which,
The Lord of the Throne shall visit, that is a holiday!

Come to a valley that is vast,
Its dirt is greater then the fragrance of musk.

Pulpits of light you will find there and silver,
And of pure gold which does not break.

Mounds of musk set up as sitting places
For those who are beneath the owners of the pulpits.

So while they are busy in their joys,
And their sustenance comes to them,

Suddenly there is a piercing bright light,
Filling the far corners of the gardens.

The Lord of the Heavens manifest Himself for them openly,
He loves from above his Throne and then He speaks.

”Peace be upon you” as all of them hear,
With their ears his greetings of peace when he greets them.

He says ”Ask me whatever you wish for all you,
Wish is with me andIi am Most Merciful.”

They all say ”We ask You (Your) Pleasure,
For You are the One who owns all that is beautiful and shows mercy.”

He grants this to them and they bear witness,
That Allah is the Most Generous.

[Where Do You Stand?]

So O you who would sell this for a measly price hastily given,
It is as if you do not know; indeed, you shall know!

So if you do not know, then that is a calamity,
And if you know, then the calamity is greater!

[The Biography of Iman Ibn Al-Qayyim Pp. 295-300, quoting from Hadi al-Arwah, p. 20]​