The Descriptions of Paradise In Islam

[جوري]

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Are you afraid about what you are going to read ?


Good night everybody.



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oh yeah, thank God for your presence here and your sophomoric, farcical conclusions and queries.. I feel so challenged and so afraid ;D;D;D;D

 

[Alpha Dude]

Abu Sa’eed (RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said: “The first meal which the people of Paradise will take will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish.” (Al-Bukhari).

Why Allah says the first people of the paradise Adam and Eve did not eat Lobe of the liver of a fish :

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

I don't get what the issue here is?

It says in the hadith that the first meal of the people of paradise will be lobe of the liver of a fish and the verse of the Quran mentions what Adam Alaihe Salam ate before he was sent down.

 

[جوري]

I don't get what the issue here is?

It says in the hadith that the first meal of the people of paradise will be lobe of the liver of a fish and the verse of the Quran mentions what Adam Alaihe Salam ate before he was sent down.

you don't see an issue? you don't see an issue? :heated:
:lol: neither do I (with most of what he writes in fact) but I digress--John John is trying to open your eyes to the 'truth' so why are you not seeing what he wants you to see?

 

[Alpha Dude]

you don't see an issue? you don't see an issue? :heated:

Sigh. I did spend quite a while just staring at the post, hoping it would make sense.

 

[جوري]

Sigh. I did spend quite a while just staring at the post, hoping it would make sense.

I thought it was just me with the fast, didn't have proper sihoor yesterday but al7mdlillah it isn't me alone..
every thread this fellow visits has to be peppered with his silly antics..

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace to you!

I do not know If I will be allowed to post Photos here, do you call me liar I have seen Moon and stars in muslim cemetery.

Im not sure what stars and moon have anything to do in relation to this thread, but what i do know is that as muslims we believe that our creator created the star and the moon. could you be clear in what you are trying to show us please, or maybe i just dont understand. ask questions maybe and post evidence in regards to Qur'aan and sunnah and also from that understanding and not yours, thankyou!..

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I Beleive to the Prophte Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael.....

But I have many questions about the prophete Jesus and the prophete Mohamed.


Peace.


PS : The thread ist about the Paradise In Islam.

As muslims we also believe in all the prophets mentioned above, may the peace and blessings of God be unto them all.

If you have questions, maybe you should post them up..

 

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[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

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I think there are many mistakes in the ahaadeths above I give you juste one.


Abu Sa’eed (RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said: “The first meal which the people of Paradise will take will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish.” (Al-Bukhari).

Why Allah says the first people of the paradise Adam and Eve did not eat Lobe of the liver of a fish :

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"


Peace

Greetings of peace..

Are you aware that once they sin was commited,they asked for repentance from God, and they were placed on earth later? check these refs god willingly

surah al-Baqara (2):30-39, al-A'raf (7):11-25, al-Hijr (15):26-44, al-Isra (17):61-65, Ta-Ha (20):115-124, and Sad (38):71-85.


so nope the reference you quote have no mistake. The first hadeeth you posted refers to the first meal of the people of paradise. Adam and Eve (as) are not people/a group like the hadeeth speaks of, they were merely not who was being referred to in the hadeeth as clear as it is from the section you copied the hadeeth from. if that is the case, where is your evidence? it can also be that the people who enter paradise, the first meal served to them is as mentioned in the hadeeth. Either way if it was Adam and Eve, clearly it does not state Adam and Eve (as) being part of that group, it just specifically mentioned the first meal of 'the people' who enter paradise, how are you so sure it is Adam and Eve? these people can be anyone who is granted paradise by Allaah to enter paradise. I suggest you do your research by studying from those who have more knowledge i.e. knowledgeable people /scholars of Islaam..with sincerety and make clear what you are saying is actually the truth.

what makes you think we would consider the rest of your statements since you failed in disproving the first?

What is your faith? Have you studied the whole Qur'aan? have you studied the Ahadeeth? subhaan'Allaah i hope that i didnt sound harsh if so i apologise

 

[SisterSarah]

​What a beautiful read, when i close my eyes i can just imagine what its like.
thank you for this wonderful post!

 

[JOHNJOHN]

Greetings of peace..

Are you aware that once they sin was commited,they asked for repentance from God, and they were placed on earth later? check these refs god willingly

surah al-Baqara (2):30-39, al-A'raf (7):11-25, al-Hijr (15):26-44, al-Isra (17):61-65, Ta-Ha (20):115-124, and Sad (38):71-85.


so nope the reference you quote have no mistake. The first hadeeth you posted refers to the first meal of the people of paradise. Adam and Eve (as) are not people/a group like the hadeeth speaks of, they were merely not who was being referred to in the hadeeth as clear as it is from the section you copied the hadeeth from. if that is the case, where is your evidence? it can also be that the people who enter paradise, the first meal served to them is as mentioned in the hadeeth. Either way if it was Adam and Eve, clearly it does not state Adam and Eve (as) being part of that group, it just specifically mentioned the first meal of 'the people' who enter paradise, how are you so sure it is Adam and Eve? these people can be anyone who is granted paradise by Allaah to enter paradise. I suggest you do your research by studying from those who have more knowledge i.e. knowledgeable people /scholars of Islaam..with sincerety and make clear what you are saying is actually the truth.

what makes you think we would consider the rest of your statements since you failed in disproving the first?

What is your faith? Have you studied the whole Qur'aan? have you studied the Ahadeeth? subhaan'Allaah i hope that i didnt sound harsh if so i apologise

Peace sister in humanity Jεώel oғ ωïѕdoм


Abu Sa’eed (RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said: “The first meal which the people of Paradise will take will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish.” (Al-Bukhari).

Why Allah says the first people of the paradise Adam and Eve did not eat Lobe of the liver of a fish :

7:19 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."


7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

Adam and Eve are people I hope or another creation ?

I hope fish are not growing on trees ?


If the ahaadet says that the first meal will bethe caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish,

its very strange conception of the Paradise because you have no choice in what you want to eat for your fisrt meal.


I Give you an Example if somebody enter to Jannah (paradise) of Allah and he wants to eat Chicken because in this Dounia (world) he loves to eat KFC, can you imagine he can not eat Chicken because Allah says in your first menu you are not able to choose your food.

There is a contradiction between the ahaadet and the Quran see below :

Surah Al-Furquaan

15 Say: "Is that best, or the eternal garden, promised to the righteous? for them, that is a reward as well as a goal (of attainment).

16 "For them there will be therein all that they wish for: they will dwell (there) for aye: A promise to be prayed for from thy Lord."


In the Muslim Paradise we have what we wish ( see verses above) or not choice for the first meal see the ahaadeth.

I do not know if Muslims scholars they notice such contradiction or not ? or the ahaadth is false ? I do not understand.


Peace.

 

[Alpha Dude]

JohnJohn, I'm assuming you are not fluent in English, hence why you don't seem to understand future tense. The hadith says: "first meal will bethe caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish". Meaning, in the FUTURE, that is what the people upon entry into jannah will eat first.

What Adam Alaihe Salam ate is irrelevent to this! It's like a mother saying to her young child after they've been away from their home on holiday for two weeks 'the first meal we have will be pizza when we get home'. Does this mean the child's first food ever in the house MUST have been pizza?! Obviously not.

If the ahaadet says that the first meal will be

the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish,

its very strange conception of the Paradise because you have no choice in what you want to eat for your fisrt meal.

It says in the Quran that men will get hoors. Following your weird logic, does it also mean we have no choice if we want to have them or not?

You seem to be rejecting hadith for silly invented reasons.

 

[JOHNJOHN]

JohnJohn, I'm assuming you are not fluent in English, hence why you don't seem to understand future tense. The hadith says: "first meal will bethe caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish". Meaning, in the FUTURE, that is what the people upon entry into jannah will eat first.

What Adam Alaihe Salam ate is irrelevent to this! It's like a mother saying to her young child after they've been away from their home on holiday for two weeks 'the first meal we have will be pizza when we get home'. Does this mean the child's first food ever in the house MUST have been pizza?! Obviously not.


It says in the Quran that men will get hoors. Following your weird logic, does it also mean we have no choice if we want to have them or not?

You seem to be rejecting hadith for silly invented reasons.

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You say : that is what the people upon entry into jannah will eat first.

If somebody does't want to eat the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish, has he choice or not ?



Peace.

 

[JOHNJOHN]

It says in the Quran that men will get hoors. Following your weird logic, does it also mean we have no choice if we want to have them or not?

It's not my logic do you have the Quran at home ? read the verses I brought and tell me what do you understand compare it to the ahaadith ?

If men get Hoors in the paradise with no choice, ask yourself if its logic again or not ?


Peace.

 

[Alpha Dude]

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You say : that is what the people upon entry into jannah will eat first.

If somebody does't want to eat the caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish, has he choice or not ?

Peace.

Why are you making assumptions here? Does it say in the hadith translation you quoted that it will be FORCED on anyone? There is no such mention, so no need to reach silly farfetched and unnecessary conclusions.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace

Why Allah says the first people of the paradise Adam and Eve did not eat Lobe of the liver of a fish :

Does it not say in the Qur'aan that Allaah placed them on the earth? where does it say in the hadeeth those people are the first people of paradise to eat the liver of a fish? how can it be that once Adam and Eve are placed back on earth, you consider them to be of those who are referred to in the hadeeth as those whose 'first meal' it is, where as far as my knowledge goes its not stated anywhere of Adam and Eve going to jannah when they die? I mean are you saying that once they Adam and Eve were placed on earth they didnt die? if they did die where did they go? And if that is the case they 'may' have been of those people to be amongst those who had the first meal, but if you read the verse carefully you will come to know it mentions those who do righteous deeds who enter the paradise..and those who are not amognst the righteous do not enter paradise. So it means they have to be on earth. reason why Adam and Even (as) were placed back on earth.

Adam and Eve are people I hope or another creation ?

Did i deny that? or you didnt understand what i said in my previous post, prove to me that the hadeeth is referring to Adam and Eve!!!

I hope fish are not growing on trees ?

I hope not either!

If the ahaadet says that the first meal will bethe caudate (extra) lobe of the liver of a fish,

its very strange conception of the Paradise because you have no choice in what you want to eat for your fisrt meal.

I dont know why thats a problem when you've never been to paradise or you seem to not like the idea.

I Give you an Example if somebody enter to Jannah (paradise) of Allah and he wants to eat Chicken because in this Dounia (world) he loves to eat KFC, can you imagine he can not eat Chicken because Allah says in your first menu you are not able to choose your food.

If that is what is states in the hadeeth and thats what it means I or no other muslim have no problem with what we are being served, then why do you?. I am not totally sure if you are aware there are things in Islaam Allaah (God) forbids and has made permissable upon us, but for reasons. Forbidden for our own safety and permissable for our own good. So as a muslim it doesnt affect me with what we eat, or what we are served to eat. we know very well its from our lord.

There is a contradiction between the ahaadet and the Quran see below :

Surah Al-Furquaan

15 Say: "Is that best, or the eternal garden, promised to the righteous? for them, that is a reward as well as a goal (of attainment).

16 "For them there will be therein all that they wish for: they will dwell (there) for aye: A promise to be prayed for from thy Lord."

In the Muslim Paradise we have what we wish ( see verses above) or not choice for the first meal see the ahaadeth.

I do not know if Muslims scholars they notice such contradiction or not ? or the ahaadth is false ? I do not understand.

If it was a contradiction as you stated yourself, where does it say there is a second meal where we are not allowed to choose what we want in paradise? how does it contradict the first meal to where we are allowed to eat what we want? how do you know the ayah isnt referring to after the first meal?

if you read the verse you posted carefully..verse 15 from surah Al Furqaan, may i ask what does Al Furqaan mean?

"Say: (O Muhammad SAW) \"Is that (torment) better or the Paradise of Eternity promised to the Muttaqun (pious and righteous persons - see V.2:2)?\" It will be theirs as a reward and as a final destination."[Al Qur'aan 25:15]


And also did you notice how the verse is speaking to those who are the Muttaqun-pious and righteous persons, and speaking about those who are and are not of those muttaqun they are either given paradise or hellfire.. but Adam and Eve were in heaven when they ate from the forbidden tree. How is the verse then referring to them, when Adam and Eve are placed on earth for the first time?

"And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers)."Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."Then Adam received from his Lord Words . And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve. But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) such are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever."[Al Qur'aan-2:35-39]

meaning when guidance from Allaah comes upon Adam and Eve (as) they should follow the guidance, those who do there is no fear upon them and those deny all that which is mentioned in the verse are of those that is also mentioned in the verse. so this means those who follow the guidance are of the paradise. do i make sense?

Peace.

peace to you too..

 

[JOHNJOHN]

PEACE


Message to the moderators of the website why you are always controlling my post in the thread :

[h=3]Why do we insist on putting a crescent on everything?[/h]
I am free to post or not ?


Ramadan Mubarak to everybody.


Peace the God with no name bless you.


PS : I will answer to you sister in humanity
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[JOHNJOHN]

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Can somebody help me on this or the moderators, I asked befor but nobody help me.

I need the link to the thread 'WE' In the Quran some sisters and brothers in humanity gave answers that they have no sens.



Thanking you in advance the personn who can help me on this.



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greetings of peace

Peace the God with no name bless you.

This is the post of the member who replied to you earlier

Allah means Al-Ilah, Al means 'the', Ilah means God. So, Allah means 'The God' in English. But the word Allah does not have any gender like goddess in English. There is no plural of it like gods, goddesses . That's why 'Allah' is the best name of one and only God.

It seems 'the god' in english is similar to 'Al-Ilah' in arabic, why do you refuse to call your God Allaah when it has the same meaning?

I need the link to the thread 'WE' In the Quran some sisters and brothers in humanity gave answers that they have no sens

heres the link to the thread --->>> http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/134307915-who-we.html <<<---

please share on the thread what it is that doesnt make sense to you, not here please.


peace to you!

 

[جوري]

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Can somebody help me on this or the moderators, I asked befor but nobody help me.

I need the link to the thread 'WE' In the Quran some sisters and brothers in humanity gave answers that they have no sens.



Thanking you in advance the personn who can help me on this.



Peace.

It is a majestic plural .. have you never heard of a 'royal we'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural..
for instance me being annoyed with your silliness now can be expressed in ''we're not amused'' to denote only my person!
perhaps what you need before engaging religion and philosophy is some basics in grammar?

best,

 

[جوري]

Peace the God with no name bless you.

God has the best of names and we call upon him using them..
if you want to pray to Odin or Apollo for peace then you're doing it on the wrong forum..

best,