The Evidence that the Koran is the Word of God

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I think the biggest question that remains is, how do you know that the Koran is protected and free from corruption? I mean, how do you know the verses that say it is uncorrupted and preserved are truly from God and not inserted by men?

I have to answer this for myself. I believe many people have touched on this question above but it seems to have passed over you. We can look but do not see as much as we can listen but do not hear....

Aside from the claims that Allah has made in the Quran with regards to His protection of the Quran, it seems that you still doubt. I will take it at face value.

So what other matters can illustrate or demonstrate the claim further? One area will be to look at the claims and statement that has been found scattered throughout the Quran. The 'scientific' discoveries made over recent times. You can find these in the net. Many discoveries were made using modern technology that confirms what the Quran has said over 1400 years ago. Are they all 'fluke'? The fact that it probably made absolutely no sense to them then, they did not try to change any statements or verse that described to them things they could not comprehend until such time that the meaning was revealed. This is an obvious sign that it is divine in contents. What other literature can claim this?

To add, my previous post about the mathematical miracles (somewhere above) about the word counts etc, further confirms that no corruption has occured because if it did, then the word counts would have not given the same results. Please read that post.

What I have stated above are just samples of how we can justify what we as muslims believe because the results show that it has been untampered. What is so hard to believe when the findings have pointed to it. Not only looking at it from one dimension, but multiple angles and dimensions.

So we can (as sister insanaah has said), keep up with the question resembling 'Can God create a rock bigger than He can carry? What is your answer? Or is it relevant at all considering the scientific miracles, the mathematical miracles, the prophecies given and historical accounts all point to show that it was not made up but divinely revealed.

My only conclusion is that some people look but do not see and/or listen but do not hear.. I hope you can start to appreciate a bit more the miracles of the Quran.. It is simply amazing. Just open your heart and mind to see its true miracle.


Peace :shade:
 
my brother
Quran is diffferent
if you read it in Arabic language
it's different

that's fist

second :
Allah said if you are not sure that Quran is the word of god
so show me word like Quran , and you can't

it's over
 
Insaanah, thank you for that reply. Essentially, you've said God has allowed this corruption to take place and it is part of His will and wisdom, which we do not understand. Firstly i think that is an acceptable reason though one might ask what wisdom is there in such a will? I think the biggest question that remains is, how do you know that the Koran is protected and free from corruption? I mean, how do you know the verses that say it is uncorrupted and preserved are truly from God and not inserted by men?

The reason why the Qur'an is kept uncorrupt is because there was only one copy by Hazrat Uthman (ra), where he compiled the Qur'an into one official copy. This official copy is the one which all Muslims memorize.

Every Muslim, the thousands that converted, worshipped Allah with these very same verses they memorized, five times daily, in which they repeated the first chapter in every prayer cycle, Fajr prayer has 4 cycles, Zuhr has 10 cycles, Asr has 4 cycles, Maghrib has 5 cycles, and Isha has 6 cycles, then there is Witr, and at night time there is Tahajjud. In Tahajjud, there are at least 8 cycles which are added as supererogatory prayers.

Add to this, Muslims pray Nafl prayers (voluntary prayers), each of them being 2 cycles each. We can do as many of these cycles as we want. In all of these cycles, the first chapter of the Qur'an is recited, and then after that chapter, we recite a chapter from the Holy Qur'an.

In order for the memorization of the Qur'an to be solidified, Muslims would recite these chapters of the Holy Qur'an on many different occasions. Daily they would recite the Qur'an, and ensure that they knew it. The Holy Prophet (saw) recited Chapter 50 during his Friday sermons, he urged Muslims to recite chapter 18 on Fridays, he urged Muslims to memorize and recite chapter 67 daily for protection from the grave, he said we should recite chapter 36 over the dying people, etc.

There were certain chapters he read on certain prayer cycles, then on 'Eids he would recite chapters 87 and 88, or other Surahs at times. He would recite the long ones and the short ones on various occasions.

Not to mention that the Muslims have continuously recited the verses of chapters to each other and held discussions about them pondering over their meanings. They recite them when they hold prayers for each other, when an Imaam stands in front of them and recites the chapters of the Qur'an out loud. Then the Imaams sit with students who learn the Qur'an and memorize it and ensure the correct and proper recitation is followed. This has continued since the inception of Islam.

The Holy Prophet (saw) told Muslims to make sure they always recite the Holy Qur'an, because it is like a bird that flies away when you don't keep it trapped. (I am paraphrasing here, not the exact words, but just giving the general meaning here). The Holy Prophet (saw) was taught the Qur'an over again each month of Ramadan by the angel Gabriel (as) himself, and then twice on his last Ramadan in this world.

The Holy Qur'an was not just recorded through the oral transmission, it was written upon leave stalks, bones, parchments, etc. Anything that the Muslims who could write could find, they would write it down on there. Hazrat Umar (ra) heard some verses of Chapter 20 which his sister was reading on paper written down when he went in on her and he got angry at her being Muslim. Then he read it from that parchment of paper, and he broke down in tears and exclaimed that such words could not be the word of a man! Then he converted to Islam, even though he was on his way to go and attempt to murder the Holy Prophet (saw) with a sword, of which he poisoned the blade.

The companions (ra), would recite the Qur'an to each other when they gathered together. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that they would recite Chapter 103 to each other when they met, due to its short length. Imagine how many times people meet each other, and yet they recited the verses of the Qur'an!

And how did the Holy Prophet (saw) ensure that he never forgot verses of the Holy Qur'an? He stayed up for the most part of each night, and he would be standing for long periods of time reciting the Holy Qur'an. He would constantly repeat the revelations as time went on.

Don't forget that the whole of the Holy Qur'an was also not revealed all at once. The Holy Qur'an was revealed piecemeal. It was revealed gradually over time, so all the verses that were revealed were recited again and again and they became solidified slogans which the companions (ra) could recite often and in their prayers. The 114 Chapters of the Holy Qur'an were not all at once memorized, they were revealed gradually over a period of 23 years, and during those years the verses related to many matters. The companions (ra) had verses relating to them, verses relating to the battles they fought, verses relating to the fear of punishment from God, verses about Heaven, Hell, the Day of Judgment, the stories of the Prophets of God, other narrations and prayers which God wanted Muslims to know to recite daily and in all kinds of situations.

So besides even the daily prayers, voluntary prayers and night prayers (Tahajjud) - Muslims even recited verses of the Holy Qur'an on their tongues and thus in their hearts on a whim, because there were many prayers which they used to recite from for their spiritual welfare. The Holy Qur'an would flow like water from their tongues, and it would melt their hearts, and make hairs in their necks stand on end.

The Holy Qur'an was never a book at any point in Muslim history, which was relegated to the book shelves to be forgotten. It is a book which Muslims recite from five times daily, reciting a chapter from the Book in over 50 cycles of prayer, meaning potentially 50 different chapters. They would go to sleep reciting them, wake up reciting them, and wake up specially at night to recite them. During Ramadan Muslims try to finish the whole of the Qur'an at least once, the least amount of days allowed to finish it being around 7 days. Thus, in one month, meaning during Ramadan especially, Muslims could finish the Book up to 3 times. If you multiply this by hundreds of times, then that is how many times it was recited in the beginning of Islam, when it was still being revealed, and continuing until even after, and until now. It has never ceased.

Now, compare this to other Holy Books of God. Muslims have sat down to memorize the whole Qur'an. They recite this Qur'an during the prayers lead by the Imaam for the Tarawih prayers, which happens every night. They listen to these verses in that month. Many Muslims have continuously memorized the Holy Qur'an, the EXACT SAME copy as Hazrat Uthman (ra) had compiled and fixed after collecting the Book and bringing it into the order it was supposed to be in.

After all of this, how can anyone doubt that this one Book, which is recited more than any other Book on the face of the earth, has been changed? If the Illiad or the Odyssey, which the West reveres so much was recited to the extent that the Holy Qur'an has been recited, then no one would have doubted Homer's existence and they would have never doubted the authenticity of a text which was taken care of so rigorously.

The Holy Qur'an is a Book which is knowledge that has been known among Muslims to the letter and perfectly to the vowel in pronunciation, by both literate and illiterate Muslims alike. Simply because it is revered so highly and recited so often with great care and love. So much compassion has been given to this Book that no one can claim the same for any other Book in the history of the world. No other religion has had so many illiterates learn one Book as the Muslims have learned theirs. Compare this to the Holy Bible, for which Christians compiled it and remained largely illiterate, but never knew what their Book said from cover to cover.

Christians don't recite their Book five times daily, they don't wake up at night and sacrifice their sleep to recite the Bible, they do not recite the Bible during a holy month as Muslims do, they do not rigorously take care of their text by claiming that there is one authentic text which exists in all copies side by side with the translation of the Book, so that they can ensure that their understanding is correct in the original language in which Jesus (as) spoke. Christians have no means of declaring themselves as having a text which was well-guarded by Allah, because there is not even one verse in the Bible which claims this. Only the Qur'an contains this verse, where Allah said, "Verily, We have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian." (Surah Al-Hijr, Verse 9, Holy Qur'an)

Now who in their right mind can get in between Allah and His Book when He has given the means for its protection? Ultimately, He is its Guardian.

I challenge you to bring a verse of the Bible which says something which is the like of this. Know that you can't meet this challenge. Try as you might, there is no such verse in the Bible claiming Divine protection against change.
 
بسم الله توكلنا على الله

Originally Posted by Ahmad H
As for the Torah being corrupted, I do not hold that the actual text was corrupted, but only the teachings were.
Originally Posted by Ahmad H
Thus, the revelation of the Torah is not considered to be changed by Muslims, just the translation of it.
brother Ahmad H,

The Qur'an states that both the words themselves, and the meanings were also changed. Both types of changes went on. This ayah tells us the the text was also changed.

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. [2:79]

Changing/twisting meanings is mentioned separately. Concealing also went on. This post has some relevant verses:

Evidence that the Quran is the true world of Allah.

If you believe that the text of the Torah wasn't changed, and is what Allah revealed, then the implications of that must be considered carefully, as the Torah as it stands says that Nuh alyhissalaam became drunken, and that Lut alayhissalaam committed incest (we seek Allah's refuge from such words or beliefs).

I agree with dear sister Insaanah and wanna add that if the Torah wasn't corrupted (and the same thing for the bible here) why would we need the Qur'aan for?

And my respected brother daveyats;

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]Allah delegated the preservation of the Torah and Gospel to their scholars and monks, based on the evidence of the verse (interpretation of the meaning): [/FONT][FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]“Verily, We did send down the Tawrat, therein was guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah’s Will, judged for the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged for the Jews by the Tawrat after those prophets], for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book, and they were witnesses thereto.” [5:44].

That it was to be a test for those who had been given the Book – would they play their role in preserving the Scripture? Would they believe in what it said? Would they follow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, whom they found mentioned in the Torah and Gospel? Or would they persist in their stubbornness and distort, conceal and falsify?

Then Allah wanted the Quraan to remain the eternal Book and the law that would abide until the Day of Resurrection a preserved source of guidance for all humanity. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)) the Book (this Quran) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures).” [5:48].

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So the blame is not on Allah but those who got caught of the beautiful worldly life surrendering themselves to the whispers of satan ; daring to change Allah's word and misguiding their followers...but there will be a day which none will run or hide from the Justice of The Lord of The world; there we all will be standing for reckoning where there will be the truth and only The Truth. May God guide us all and keep us firm on His straight path before the end Aaameeen

We all should be grateful to Allah sending us a preserved book of guidance which can not be changed by our evil selves to keep us on track and whenever we slip then we find it there advising us reminding us and guiding us to Him The Exalted and His love and pleasure.

Allah wrongs not people but we do wrong ourselves by sins and whatever befalls us then it is the price of our hands made and work not because Allah wants to punish us for no reason unjustly...

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Can we Prove Quran is From God?


Muslims have something that offers the clearest proof of all - The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times.

Surprisingly enough, the Quran itself provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. Allah tells us in the Quran:


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Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?


[Noble Quran 4:82]




Another amazing challenge from Allah's Book:

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If you are in doubt about it, bring a chapter like it.


[Noble Quran 2:23]




And Allah challenges us with:

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Bring ten chapters like it.

[Noble Quran 11:13]




And finally:

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Bring one chapter like it.

[Noble Quran 10:38]

No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad (peace be upon him) did 14 centuries ago.

Source:

God Allah - Can We Prove Quran is from God?

above mentioned that Qur'aan still be recited the same at this time of ours since been revealed...the same words the same stories the same rules and legislation ..nothing changed until this very moment and nothing will; while other books have versions, copies, different stories and not even been read in its original language...

God not only challenged us to make a whole book like Qur'aan; He even made it easier telling us to only make one chapter if we can and do you know how many verses the shortest chapter in Qur'aan has? only three verses...now if you would gather all smart and genius people from different languages backgrounds and sides of the world whether speaking Arabic or not and even the best of people speaking Arabic to make only three verses like Qur'aan in its language and wisdom then you won't and will never be able too not even one verse ...not a verse.

Qur'aan Is The Word of God and no creature can be like The Creator (Praise and Glory be to The One Who belongs to Him All Might and Majesty)


Qur'aan has something that other books do not have...evidences ...things wouldn't ever be known before 1400 years without the technology and Modern science...

if you really wanna know about Qur'aan read here:

Allah's Quran - All About The Quran

and this site about the scientific miracles in the Qur'aan and not only that but in the speech of The prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah Be upon him):

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you can search for more by yourself too and you will find so much In Shaa Allah

May The Creator of heavens, earth and all creatures give you the best of this life and the afterlife too Aameen

With all respect in this world, your sister:

Amat Allah.
 

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