The fact that there are so many reverts!

[Mikayeel]

But why does there have to be something bigger? The notion is, of course, pleasant, which is why one would want it to be so, but that does not by any length mean that it is so.

I want an icecream. *checks fridge*. Darn it, still no icecream in there. :exhausted

Hmm there is something bigger, because i can see that, and you clearly cant.

Would you be kind enough to leave a comment about the actual question raised while your at it thanks

 

[Whatsthepoint]

hmm, even though I wanted the answer from guyabano, I thank you for your effort.

What is it proof to then? Is it proof that half the world is blind, and need serious treatment?

No, I do not think faith is a disease, and if it is, it does not require treatment, at least in most cases..
Faith can be rather useful, as a form of self-treatment as you already pointed out.

 

[ZarathustraDK]

Hmm there is something bigger, because i can see that, and you clearly cant.

Well, that sort of argument leads nowhere very quickly, so let's not open up that discussion. Suffice to say, I disaggree on your requirements for something to be real.

Would you be kind enough to leave a comment about the actual question raised while your at it thanks

Ok, your question was more or less "what would I do if all the people I held dear died/disappeared for some reason?".
Well, more or less what I do now I guess, search for truth in life. Not much different from you I guess, although I would have to admit/be true to myself that I do not know whether or not there is a god, and take it from there. This point of view is not at odds with the possibility of a god since (I assume) a possible benevolent god would want me to realize his/her/its existence by my own accord instead of simply gambling my faith on a given esoteric text. Yet, it is not my goal to 'find a god', simply to find the truth, be it a god, no god, or anything else.

This is also why statements like 'I can see God, you clearly can't' strike an annoying chord in me. It's like saying 2+2=4 (or 5, depending on whether or not a god exist) and not be able to explain why in any better way than "well, the (possibly flawed) solution-list in the back of this math-book says so".

 

[Mikayeel]

Well, that sort of argument leads nowhere very quickly, so let's not open up that discussion. Suffice to say, I disaggree on your requirements for something to be real.



Ok, your question was more or less "what would I do if all the people I held dear died/disappeared for some reason?".
Well, more or less what I do now I guess, search for truth in life. Not much different from you I guess, although I would have to admit/be true to myself that I do not know whether or not there is a god, and take it from there. This point of view is not at odds with the possibility of a god since (I assume) a possible benevolent god would want me to realize his/her/its existence by my own accord instead of simply gambling my faith on a given esoteric text. Yet, it is not my goal to 'find a god', simply to find the truth, be it a god, no god, or anything else.

This is also why statements like 'I can see God, you clearly can't' strike an annoying chord in me. It's like saying 2+2=4 (or 5, depending on whether or not a god exist) and not be able to explain why in any better way than "well, the (possibly flawed) solution-list in the back of this math-book says so".

Hello there, I am sorry for my comment ''I can see god, and you cant'' there are alot of things that can show that god excist in fact to much to name!
If you want I can start writing them down from my perspective!
The reason I made this comment was not to get into an argument of ''Does god excist'' because I had to many of them here, and eventually they lead to nothing! Since i don't know you as you are new, am sorry I thought you'd be like the other atheists/agnostics here who are firm in their believes (I would say disbelieve IMO)

So agian if you would like me to state the things that makes ME believe that there is a god than I would love to.

With the actuall question I ment ''the fact that there so many reverts'' , thanks for your answer anyway

 

[shible]

Sorry Brothers and Sisters to Jump-in Late.

Hi Brother Hamada. As far here in our place. I haven't seen many of those such things.

But I don't know how all are gonna take it. But this is a true fact that was happening sometime back in India and i am not sure whether the same is still or not.

In India the people live in states like Gujrat, Bihar and some parts of Madhya Pradesh are still in Rural areas. and about 95% of them are Illetrate and Very Poor. They live in such a state that they use to have Mango seeds for Food and survival.


And the news here was that in those the Christian Missionaries First started a Welfare Association and told those villagers that they would educate their children and give money to those families that sent their children to study.

Due to their financial level the people accepted on the first two months they received money on their home.

On the third month the missionaries said they will give the money in the entrance of the church and gave the reason that this way all villagers can be gathered at one single point.

and on the coming months they took people inside the church and after a while they stopped giving money and said the people that if they would convert to their religion then they will increase the people life and financial status.

At this point most of the people had no choice but to turn towards their Offer. Now most people on those Regions are Christians


So How do u Brothers and Sisters feel about this incident. I wasn't sure of how this would fit in this thread. But I was sure that this is also a part of this Thread

 

[Whatsthepoint]

So How do u Brothers and Sisters feel about this incident. I wasn't sure of how this would fit in this thread. But I was sure that this is also a part of this Thread

It's plain awful!
That's from a non-christian perspective.

 

[crayon]

No offense to Christians, but in so many incidents you see missionaries bribing people to accept Jesus Christ. I mean, if your religion is true, why do you have to sell it to people? If you told them about it, wouldn't most of them accept it? I honestly mean no offense, it's just something that genuinely confuses me..

 

[guyabano]

I am gna ask u something now, nothing PERSONALLY BY ANY MEANS!!!! but say you where to loose your wife and kids!(may god forbid it!) may it never happen!!!, But lets say it did.

Since your family is your support!, YOur light in darkness, they make you who you are! What are you going to do then? Are you just going to give up on life?

No there has to be something bigger to support you!(being your true light!) In case you fall! Something not touched by death!

I hope this makes sense, I really don't mean to offend you!, but just making a simple point clear.
thanks

Hello,

well, I think, that would be really worsest case, if all members of my family would die before me. Well if it would happen, then I would know there would a God exist, and it's all his fault and I would hate him more.
I will recover from my life. I will have a lonely life, for sure, but I would still have my friends and my job.

I hope, I could make it clear for you

Peace

 

[shible]

I really don't know all that is happening around the whole world.

But it is obvious that i have to know about things happening around my country. Since i am living here then i need to know things happening around me.

Thus i have no intention of hurting anyone.

Coz i can even bring a few things more related to such incidents that happen mostly on the borders of many nations. where the residents near by are threatened or bribed or tortured by the army personnel's to convert according to their nation's religion.

All we chat about is how far we can image of the worst cases. Yet we don't realize is abt those people who really happened to face those same cases in their day to day cases.

 

[Mikayeel]

Hello,

well, I think, that would be really worsest case, if all members of my family would die before me. Well if it would happen, then I would know there would a God exist, and it's all his fault and I would hate him more.
I will recover from my life. I will have a lonely life, for sure, but I would still have my friends and my job.

I hope, I could make it clear for you

Peace

Hello,

Everyone's time to die will come! Its the most certain thing in life, so from that perspective you can't hate god for that! Everyone will die at one stage...

Its like when you have an exam and you sit, and you fail you blame the teacher for not helping you cheat.

I just wanted to make a point clear; that your job, family, friends and everything wordly have a certain amount of time before they vanish! So have your hope into something which will not vanish! Something that has always lasted and will always last!

I hope, I could make it clear to you too

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I respect Islam and other religions. BUT i don't feel any need to convert, because my own religion of Sikhism gives me such fufillment it cannot be expressed in words. It's caters for my every need. Why would I then reject it and think, 'hmmm, Islam has gained a few more converts, perhaps that's the religion for all'' lol - I'm content.

One of my pal is a Chinese Sikh convert, he's quite shocked us Sikhs don't go around preaching to people of other religions. I've told him Sikhism isn't about quantity, it's about QUALITY! - You can have millions and millions of aderrents of a religion, but only a handful are true to that religion (practice it)

Gur Fateh

 

[ZarathustraDK]

Since i don't know you as you are new, am sorry I thought you'd be like the other atheists/agnostics here who are firm in their believes (I would say disbelieve IMO)

Sorry to nitpick, but I'm absolutely firm in my knowledge that I do not know whether or not a god exists (as opposed to simply believing it to be so).

So agian if you would like me to state the things that makes ME believe that there is a god than I would love to.

Well, no :happy: . I'd like to know how you know that there is a god, as opposed to why you believe there is a god. Again, there is a difference between knowing there's icecream in the fridge and believing that there's icecream in the fridge (the latter could turn out to be false). But I guess I'm side-tracking the thread a bit.

With the actuall question I ment ''the fact that there so many reverts'' , thanks for your answer anyway

Oh ok. Well it doesn't really bother me per se, people have a right to pursue whatever interests they have. However I think it's a bit strange to throw oneself at any religion simply for the sake of answers which a lot of people do. Again, a bit allegorical, I could say "why believe 2+2=4 because a book told you so, when you could master how to add all numbers by figuring out why 2+2=4?". I mean, it just seems almost like cheating/too easy to give up on figuring out why life is the way it is and kill off your ponderings in accepting a given scripture as the truth unquestioningly.