The Fate of the Muslim Gangster

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islam-truth said:
Salaam

See your commenting on a topic on which you know nothing about, the typical western view.
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What makes you think HeiGou knows nothing about gangs and violence? And why would he know nothing about discouraging violence by encouraging non-violent problem solving? Also, why would HeiGou know nothing about the impacts and consequences of teaching young people to solve problems with violence? Also, is it not a bigoted thing to say, that HeiGou has a "typical western view"? If this was reciprocated, one would say something like,"islam-truth's response here is such a 'typical muslim view'".
 
HeiGou said:
I'd keep well away from them myself.

Bullets of the brotherhood
April 8, 2006

A new gang has joined the street warfare being waged in Sydney's south-west, reports Les Kennedy.

A SON of one of three men wanted for a double "execution" in a Sydney street last week once threatened to kill a family when a member accidentally ran over and killed his pit bull terrier, unless they paid $20,000 in blood money. He ended up in jail.

But the stakes are higher in a new crime war on the streets of south-west Sydney. The threat to kill over the loss of a dog illustrates how even a relatively small matter might trigger something heinous.

The payback for the deaths of the boxer and alleged standover man Bassam Chami and his friend Ibrahim Assaad, an alleged drug dealer, could be more shootings and deaths, fear police investigating the shooting in Blaxcell Street, Granville, on March 29. And they have also seen the emergence of a new ethnic-based crime gang, whose members are of Afghan origin.

At stake, too, is the reputation of a Middle Eastern organised crime squad, Task Force Gain. It was formed three years ago to end shooting wars between six competing gangs in Sydney's south-west. Nine people were killed, and as many were wounded, and homes were shot to pieces - much of it happening under the noses of police patrols.

At least one alleged feud was between two families. Lebanese fought Lebanese, or Assyrians fought Assyrians, for a slice of south-west Sydney's drug and car rebirthing trades.

The past battle grounds encompassed Bankstown, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Greenacre, Auburn, Guildford, Villawood, Regents Park, Lidcombe, Granville, Casula, Hoxton Park, Fairfield and Merrylands.

Now the head of the State Crime Command, Assistant Commissioner Graeme Morgan, admits there is a new crime gang on the scene, fighting for a piece of another gang's drug turf. Police will not say what type of drugs are involved.

Nor will Morgan publicly confirm what those living in Blaxcell Street know - that the "new gang" is also ethnic based. Its alleged members are Afghan refugees or their descendants - the first such gang seen in Australia. Their alleged opponents are of Lebanese origin.

And those who know the players - the dead and living in the "war" - say they can see no end to the shooting cycle other than one side and their kin being wiped out. They fear that as more people become aggrieved at the loss of relatives, the eddy of revenge will become a whirlpool, sucking more in.

The boasts of "revenge" are loud, but no one is prepared to put their names to print. It is even more difficult for police, who have repeatedly appealed for witnesses to tell them who shot who.

The battleground is familiar to police - the streets of working-class Granville, Auburn, Guildford and Lidcombe and Regents Park. Yet, despite a pledge to put more police out there, the drive-by revenge attacks continue.

The last of these was last Sunday, at 8.30pm, at the house outside which Chami, 26, and Assaad, 25, had been the first killed in this new war. It was the day Chami and his fiance, Aminah Abbas, 19, were to have been married.

Guests invited to the wedding who instead attended Chami's funeral two days earlier were still paying their respects as four carloads of men pulled up outside Silverwater Jail and began shouting in Arabic to their associates inside what police believe were vows of revenge.

Half an hour later, cars sped past 380 Blaxcell Street and eight shots were fired from them into the house. The residents, an elderly man and his teenage son, had vacated the house on the night Chami and Ibrahim died.

Morgan says one of the killers was linked to the home. That man and two others are on the run.

Last Sunday's drive-by was the third retaliatory attack from the murders. The first happened within three hours of Chami's and Assaad's deaths, when the home of an Afghan family in Railway Parade, Yennora, was sprayed with 14 shots, by mistake, at 1.45am.

At 10.15pm that day, a housing commission home in Whiting Street, Regents Park, with another Afghan family - believed to be relatives of one of the suspected killers - inside, was hit by 10 shots from a passing car.

The murders came at a time when the police service is still trying to recoup public faith after its handling of the Cronulla race riots and the reprisal attacks by groups of Middle Eastern men. There is doubt over whether as many as 20 of the 87 people charged can be prosecuted.

Chami's murder and police allegations of his involvement in crime have angered those close to him. They say he had gone straight since leaving prison in 2003, after serving 5½ years for the manslaughter of a man stabbed outside a Lidcombe hotel in 1998.

Those who grew up with the boy from Granville Boys High, and those who saw him box as an amateur and then a middleweight professional, hero-worshipped him. They say he had become even more devoted to his Islamic faith while in jail.

BLAXCELL Street residents talk of groups of men standing near the intersection with Randolph Street on nights before the shooting.

They say that Chami and his friend had gone there after Chami, having dropped his fiancee at her home in nearby Auburn, received a call on his mobile phone. They had gone there to mediate in a dispute between an elderly man and another person. A "holy man" was also trying to talk peace.

No one says it was over drugs, but they agree the talks were about an incident involving a gun being pointed at someone.

Chami, who was due to fight on the undercard of the Anthony Mundine-Danny Green bout next month, and who had a pistol concealed on his body, was walking back to his silver BMW, when someone grabbed him in a head lock and shot him in the back of the head.

He died instantly. Seven shots were fired: three struck Assaad - one close to the heart, one in the left shoulder and the other in the left upper arm, says a woman who covered Chami's body with a sheet.

Assaad, she says, was pleading that he did not want to die and she screamed at the gathering group of men to stop their shouting and to call an ambulance. Then Assaad began to recite in Arabic, as his voice grew weak: "Allah is the true God, Muhammad is the prophet of God." He died three hours later in hospital.

In the week before the murders, there were several drive-by gun attacks in Sydney's south-west that police will not say are linked - two in Auburn. One attack was on a man, 29, as he walked from the station in Auburn Road at 12.20am on Friday, March 24. The man and an attendant in a shop struck by bullets were not hurt.

Two days earlier, a 23-year-old man was wounded in the shoulder as he stood in the front yard of his home in St Johns Road, Auburn, at 6pm. The gunman was in a black sedan.

This week police announced that Task Force Gain will no longer be a piecemeal force, but a full-time unit to be known as the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad.

The race is on to prevent more deaths, and Morgan confidently talks about recent raids on two undisclosed "south-east" Sydney properties uncovering evidence linked to the murder. It includes the alleged getaway car - a black BMW found parked at one of the addresses. All airports have been alerted to the three suspects.​
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LOL Heigou if you think thats something, Dont come near where i live in USA or Dont even think about Afghanistan or the middle EAST LOLLLLLLLLLLL
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
LOL Heigou if you think thats something, Dont come near where i live in USA or Dont even think about Afghanistan or the middle EAST LOLLLLLLLLLLL
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Yeah well, nice to know that. Pity it seems to be a problem with so many Muslims in so many many countries. I thought it was just those in the West.
 
I dont know about the pitbull but i know in afghanistan if you kill someones family members your in deep trouble including your family!
 
renak said:
These thugs are too far gone to help. Lock them up and/or kill them. They are giving Islam a bad name, and are harmful to society.
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We can't kill them thats not the manner of Islam, you know whats ironic some people like you who question how can u kill a muslim who just left his religion or how can u kill a wife who had adultery with another man? so why would u kill these muslim gangsters just because he stood against your people(christians) doesnt work that way.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
I dont know about the pitbull but i know in afghanistan if you kill someones family members your in deep trouble including your family!
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Yes. I begin to see the problem is not just Muslims in the West.

Do you think it is a good idea to murder someone because their second cousin twice removed once annoyed your grandfather?
 
Muezzin said:
Isn't this the fate of Muslim gangsters?
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man there young gangsters and probably not even married, May Allah guide them

I say with all the chaos in the world today, why dont u go kill America who comes bombs Iraq,Afghanistan and Syria or Iran probably next instead of your people

I don't even see it as making either one balanced because both of those who commit crimes muslims and americans are crooked

I dont even believe in a muslim leaving Islam is ought to be killed, he doesnt have too by the mercy of Allah, it is better for him who pardons people and even the adulterous is not to be killed until he gives himself willingly. Everyone knows a unmarried or married who commit indecent acts will be punished but thats not how it was implemented in the hadith of Allah (SAWS) all of people that came forward already knew they weere gonna be killed and from the fear of Allah they wanted out the easy way as death is repentance.

Noone today will come to you and say hey i commited adultery, kill me for the sake of Allah or its rare, so why would u kill a gangster who is messed up in his head gangsters need help in the world of drugs i think ther minds are corrupt and how can u kill an insane person one the signs of insanity is he is not thinking properly, acts oddly etc
 
libyanhero said:
We can't kill them thats not the manner of Islam, you know whats ironic some people like you who question how can u kill a muslim who just left his religion or how can u kill a wife who had adultery with another man? so why would u kill these muslim gangsters just because he stood against your people(christians) doesnt work that way.
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Taking the law into your own hands in a Western country is uncivilized. If these gansters feel that they have been violated, then they need to seek revenge via the correct channels.

I fail to see the validity in the comparison you provided above. If a "ganster" is a menance to society, they clearly are not needed in society. Being such a menance is the violation of many laws, and causes personal harm to many people. However, killing someone who chooses to leave Islam, or because they had "unholy sex" is an attack on the individuals human rights. Who is the apostate or adulterer hurting, other than themself?
 

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