The Feminists

[Keltoi]

In my opinion, the major problem with the Feminist movement was the promise that women could have it all, both a rewarding career and a rewarding family life. If a woman chooses to be a professional, that is a great thing. However, I've known many women who were forced to choose between a rewarding family experience and career success. Many times they cannot have both.

 

[Malaikah]

However, I've known many women who were forced to choose between a rewarding family experience and career success. Many times they cannot have both.

That is so true. You really can't have both.

Do you mean to imply all Communists are evil and every idea created by a Communists is evil? :muddlehea
Do you think it was better when women had few rights? :thumbs_do
Do you think women are inferior?

Just because we don't think women should be reduced to walking talking images of men, doesn't mean we don't respect women or think they are inferior.

Some people value family life and understand how important the role of a mother is.

 

[al-muslimah]

Asalamu Alaykum to alla the muslims here,

Well to tell you the truth I hate feminism it is so embarrasing for me to here for the stuff they say about Muslim Women like how they're oppressed nad the problems they have about the viel(which are not true).The great egyptian female scholar Zainab Al-Ghazali use to be in the egyptian feminist movement and got out because of their idealogical ways.May the curse of Allah be on those people who attack Islam.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Ok so the women become feminists because once upon a time they didnt have the rights they deserved, so they fight back. Ok Im good wit that, but not when they go an extra 1000000 miles further and start talking crap about our religion and say we need help. Im sure they wouldnt appreciate me saying THEY are oppressed and need help or liberation. Some feminists talking away is usually just a waste of air space for speech...Maybe they should try asking how we feel instead of living up on assumptions.

 

[wilberhum]

Once upon a time.
BS Women still don't have equality.
You don't want equality, fine.
Don't cause inequality for others.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Firstly you don't need go to the extra length and cuss. It only really shows your impatience to a conversation. Secondly, no one is saying to strip someone else of their "equality." I don't support equality, I support fairness. There's a difference. Perhaps you can ponder over that and figure out why. Your stating your comments on assumptions. Sorry but I won't let fly by. I don't have a problem with women gaining rights cuz I still wait for the day when people will grant it to them with honor and dignity, not with loose morals and ethics. But Alhumdulillah, Islam has already granted us women in Islam such status. We don't need non Muslims dictating to us our religion when they have no actual knowledge of it. All they see is that we're covered and need help. Would they say that if Mary(peace be upon her) was here? Try and say that to a nun.

 

[Amadeus85]

There is nothing wrong with women rights and equality , but generally i dont trust feminists. They have to extreme ideas, like same sex marriages or abortion on wish.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Yea I got no problem with them and the idea of rights but a lot of things they need to keep to themselves.

 

[tears4husain]

you sed it, men and women are both different and equal on different levels.

its like men are 2+4 = 6 and women are 3+3 = 6 but noo these women wanna be 2+4 = 6 but they cant be 2+4 = 6 coz they lack the attributes aaand :grumbling

no the thing is non-muslim women and newly reverts really dont know their rights and eqaullity in Islam and its our job to justly show or teach them so we wont have these problems in our ummah and maybe end the stereotype.

 

[wilberhum]

no the thing is non-muslim women and newly reverts really dont know their rights and eqaullity in Islam and its our job to justly show or teach them so we wont have these problems in our ummah and maybe end the stereotype.

Knowing your rights and getting them are two different things.
Any law that applies to one gender and not the other creates inequality.

 

[guyabano]

Ok so the women become feminists because once upon a time they didnt have the rights they deserved, so they fight back. Ok Im good wit that, but not when they go an extra 1000000 miles further and start talking crap about our religion and say we need help. Im sure they wouldnt appreciate me saying THEY are oppressed and need help or liberation. Some feminists talking away is usually just a waste of air space for speech...Maybe they should try asking how we feel instead of living up on assumptions.

I accept what you say, but you cannot pretend, that you speak out for all muslim women. I know a lot of muslim women who would gladly have a different way of living than hiding behind a veil or even under an burka!
I saw it many times, when iranian women come back from the visit of their families in Iran, at the airport take of their veils, run in the first TAX FREE GUCCHI Shop to buy some stuff, run to toilet rooms , and came out as different women

 

[Trumble]

In my opinion, the major problem with the Feminist movement was the promise that women could have it all, both a rewarding career and a rewarding family life. If a woman chooses to be a professional, that is a great thing. However, I've known many women who were forced to choose between a rewarding family experience and career success. Many times they cannot have both.

A significant plank of the feminist argument is that that is a fault of the system, not an inherent contradiction. Theoretically at least there is no reason society could not be structured to do both, but it is paternalist attitudes and interests that prevent such changes occuring.

 

[glo]

In my opinion, the major problem with the Feminist movement was the promise that women could have it all, both a rewarding career and a rewarding family life. If a woman chooses to be a professional, that is a great thing. However, I've known many women who were forced to choose between a rewarding family experience and career success. Many times they cannot have both.

Actually, I would say that I see many women having to do it both:

• Have a career and make an income for the family, AND
• still bear and raise the children, and run the household.

I still think it is good to be able to make life choices. And being able to be financially independent, if necessary, is not a bad thing!

Speaking for myself, circumstances took me to be the main income earner for my family for the last 6 years - and I am glad that I had the qualifications and the career to do so.
But, given the choice, I would have loved to be a stay-at-home-mum!

Luckily my husband and I can share the family commitments in every other way, and he does much in the house - but it's not like that for everybody ...

 

[Keltoi]

Actually, I would say that I see many women having to do it both:

• Have a career and make an income for the family, AND
• still bear and raise the children, and run the household.

I still think it is good to be able to make life choices. And being able to be financially independent, if necessary, is not a bad thing!

Speaking for myself, circumstances took me to be the main income earner for my family for the last 6 years - and I am glad that I had the qualifications and the career to do so.
But, given the choice, I would have loved to be a stay-at-home-mum!

Luckily my husband and I can share the family commitments in every other way, and he does much in the house - but it's not like that for everybody ...

I guess my experience with this is the women I knew from college. They obtained their degrees and set off to pursue a professional career. With many of these careers you have to devote so much time and energy trying to climb the ladder, that the thought of forming a family just doesn't make sense. Most of these women are now in their early thirties and remain unmarried.

I'm not saying it is impossible to be a career woman and have a family, it depends on how they prioritize their lives. Let's be honest though, a woman has a much larger role to play with pregnancy, birth, and motherhood than a man does. Yes, many corporations seem to frown on the role of motherhood for its employees, that is a problem as well.

 

[wilberhum]

:thumbs_up Glo

I still think it is good to be able to make life choices.

Well said and you can't make a more simple accurate statement. :thumbs_up

 

[Keltoi]

I agree with Glo as well, choices are a good thing. That is actually my point though, because in many cases women are forced to make a choice, which usually doesn't involve both roles.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I accept what you say, but you cannot pretend, that you speak out for all muslim women. I know a lot of muslim women who would gladly have a different way of living than hiding behind a veil or even under an burka!
I saw it many times, when iranian women come back from the visit of their families in Iran, at the airport take of their veils, run in the first TAX FREE GUCCHI Shop to buy some stuff, run to toilet rooms , and came out as different women

well thats where the problem is. We cant force anyone to wear it. But we dont need them bashing our religion cz there are still some of us who love to cover. I wont sit and let someone talk unknowingly about my religion as if they mastered it.

 

[wilberhum]

I wont sit and let someone talk unknowingly about my religion as if they mastered it.

How can "someone talk unknowingly" about what they have mastered?

But you do have the right to bash them.

The down side of that right is they have the right to bash.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

How can they not? It's called not learning the truth and only say what they've been fed. Basically having a whole bunch of misconceptions. But that person will talk as if they mastered the entire religion and dictate it to us and to the world. Hence hte line "talk unknowingly as if they mastered it.

 

[wilberhum]

It's called not learning the truth

That term in not universal. That kind of TRUTH is no more than your piticular belief.

person will talk as if they mastered the entire religion

How is that different than what you are doing?
You saying "I'm right, they are wrong".

dictate it to us

Are they dictating or demanding equality. I see a lot of difference.