The Global Nonsense

[aadil77]

I don't speak for you. I am referring to those who contend that the planet is not worth bothering about because the apocalypse, or rapture is just around the corner. They do a great disservice to the rest of us.

I don't believe safeguarding the future is fruitless.

I know what you mean, I'm not gonna give up life because the day of judgement is near, but I believe that some things are out of our hands and for me this is one of them.

Keeping the skies clear of pollution and smog is one thing, but having to cut your carbon footprint on everything is just a bit extreme, sooner or later we'll be taxed on how much carbon we give out when breathing

 

[Trumble]

I mean, seriously, the ecologists should stop fighting with the Global Warming anymore. I

Complicated issue, whichever side on it you take. Some scientists have predicted that the UK, where I live, will actually become considerably colder as a consequence of global warming, as the Gulf Stream gets shunted south by changes in weather patterns.

 

[ardianto]

I am sorry to hear what happened with your cats, Amadeus. I also cat lover.

But you cannot blame ecologists who fight global warming for this colder winter.

 

[tango92]

I have to drop my two cents here. I don't mean to derail the thread and moderators are free to move/delete it if they deem so, but the part in bold is an attitude (and as you rightly said, a bad one) that causes some people to believe that faith is dangerous to humanity. If you seriously believe that the end of the world is imminent, or an eventuality - then you can conclude that efforts to enhance the life you currently operate in are fruitless, or meaningless - and if millions of people hold true to that then it becomes a burden on everyone else..

we arent waiting for an imminent doom. we believe that that knowledge is with Allah and we live our lives normally.

belivers are similar to non belivers in this regard. otherwise your correct, if we knew when the end of the world was or when we were going to die or expect an imminent doom then the human society would dissintegrate as people would be too busy making 'preperations' for death.

this isnt the way Allah intended us to live. but because we dont know when we'll die muslims strive to make every minute of the day fruitfull.

and youll find that belivers are often far more prepared for the future than atheists. because we know that we need to lay good seeds which will grow in the future and hence continue to get reward for us. the prophet saws encouraged us to plant trees for future generations. and teaching our kids that they may continue to do good deeds for us after our death.

 

[Amadeus85]

I am sorry to hear what happened with your cats, Amadeus. I also cat lover.

But you cannot blame ecologists who fight global warming for this colder winter.

My post was ironic, laugh of ecologists who think that they can control and change such things like global climate and nature .

 

[CosmicPathos]

I take a fatalist attitude on global warming. Its not like humans were expecting to live forever on planet Earth! The planet Earth has natural cycles which repeat after thousands of years and they alone are enough to wipe most of humanity. Last ice age? Anyone? Global warming might be stimulated by men but its just one part in this life cycle of Earth.

 

[Skavau]

and youll find that belivers are often far more prepared for the future than atheists. because we know that we need to lay good seeds which will grow in the future and hence continue to get reward for us. the prophet saws encouraged us to plant trees for future generations. and teaching our kids that they may continue to do good deeds for us after our death.

This of course assumes that atheists are given or have no encouragment or moral reason to preserve the world for the future.

Carl Sagan would like to have a word.

 

[Supreme]

This of course assumes that atheists are given or have no encouragment or moral reason to preserve the world for the future.

Carl Sagan would like to have a word.

I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.

 

[Skavau]

I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.

Sure. I do not doubt that there is a responsible widely-held Christian (and Islamic) viewpoint that as stewards, there is a responsibility to maintain and nurture the earth. I have seen this expressed by both Muslims and Christians alike.

There is however, the irresponsible and uncaring converse view widely held by Fundamentalist Christians that maintaining the earth does not matter since it does not have long left. I see this as an example of the subtle problems that faith and fundamentalism can have on the mentality of people.

 

[Italianguy]

Sure. I do not doubt that there is a responsible widely-held Christian (and Islamic) viewpoint that as stewards, there is a responsibility to maintain and nurture the earth. I have seen this expressed by both Muslims and Christians alike.

There is however, the irresponsible and uncaring converse view widely held by Fundamentalist Christians that maintaining the earth does not matter since it does not have long left. I see this as an example of the subtle problems that faith and fundamentalism can have on the mentality of people.

Do you have any proof of those reasons? I know it's your own opinion, but I don't see Christians as the ones who don't care. I see that everyone in a whole doesn't care.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

My home country.

I heard Bangladesh will be underwater by 2050 or something. Allahu Alam.

Same brother, my home country imsad, 2050 i thought it was even more earlier than 2050.


"DFID will spend up to £75m on helping to tackle the impacts of climate change on Bangladesh over the next five years"
Lets hope all that money doesn't end up in the politician :raging: pockets, but i wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Amadeus85]

I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.

For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.

 

[ardianto]

I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.

The believers are not vocal but they do real action for save the nature. In example : planting new trees.

 

[Supreme]

For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.

You do know what a religion is, don't you? Having a certain political belief does not mean you are part of a new religion!

 

[Skavau]

For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.

I still do believe in anti-racism, women's rights, homosexual rights (and so do many atheists). I am sympathetic towards Socialism but I have never believed in Communism.

I am glad though that you attribute such noble things towards atheists and agnostics though. (I thought most people were anti-racist?)

 

[CosmicPathos]

Its funny how an atheist man tries to conquer forces of nature. I applaud his constant will to overcome nature. But he miserably fails every time. There is always loss of life around the world. He takes pride in discovering vaccine, but people still die from the same virus. He takes pride in subjugating genetics but he still cannot stop genetic diseases completely. He cannot stop death. Then he takes relish by saying that "I minimized the damage, it could have been worse." He also then just adds "science is working on it" for self-delusion. As an observer, I do enjoy this atheist man fighting the nature till his death. Constantly falling down and then getting up to beat nature again with pride. The pride, however, has been destroyed by constant dominance of nature over him.

 

[Skavau]

Its funny how an atheist man tries to conquer forces of nature.

Eh?

I applaud his constant will to overcome nature. But he miserably fails every time. There is always loss of life around the world.

I don't think anyone of any creed claims that it is possible to eradicate death.

He takes pride in discovering vaccine, but people still die from the same virus. He takes pride in subjugating genetics but he still cannot stop genetic diseases completely. He cannot stop death. Then he takes relish by saying that "I minimized the damage, it could have been worse." He also then just adds "science is working on it" for self-delusion. As an observer, I do enjoy this atheist man fighting the nature till his death. Constantly falling down and then getting up to beat nature again with pride. The pride, however, has been destroyed by constant dominance of nature over him.

What an inhumane paragraph.

So do the millions and millions spared suffering through scientific research mean nothing to you? The simple drugs you may take when you get a headache, or a sore throat, or the flu that help millions of people daily avoid suffering mean nothing to you? Rather than be thankful for the vaccines that I expect you have received yourself personally you would rather scoff at the hand that feeds you and retort that others are still suffering, lie back and laugh?

I don't even know what you think this paragraph is supposed to represent other than some vindictive gloating. I cannot think of much more noble than to attempt to avert other people's suffering and to attempt to give people (who otherwise would not have it) - life.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Eh?


I don't think anyone of any creed claims that it is possible to eradicate death.


What an inhumane paragraph.

So do the millions and millions spared suffering through scientific research mean nothing to you? The simple drugs you may take when you get a headache, or a sore throat, or the flu that help millions of people daily avoid suffering mean nothing to you? Rather than be thankful for the vaccines that I expect you have received yourself personally you would rather scoff at the hand that feeds you and retort that others are still suffering, lie back and laugh?

I don't even know what you think this paragraph is supposed to represent other than some vindictive gloating. I cannot think of much more noble than to attempt to avert other people's suffering and to attempt to give people (who otherwise would not have it) - life.

I did not say saving lives is a bad thing. How is the paragraph inhumane? I am rather talking about his attitudes. If I did not want to alleviate suffering, by the will of God, I would not be in health sciences.

For every suffering that you alleviate, a new source of suffering emerges. Can you ever stop that? It certainly seems that an atheist is always boastful when he says "science is working on it." Is not that a weakness, rather than a strength if you have to work on something?

And regarding global warming, there is a whole clique of credible scientists who take Al Gore's fanaticism with skepticism.

 

[Skavau]

I did not say saving lives is a bad thing. How is the paragraph inhumane?

It came across as though you were laughing at the fact that we cannot eradicate suffering, or nullify disease.

I am rather talking about his attitudes. If I did not want to alleviate suffering, by the will of God, I would not be in health sciences.

For every suffering that you alleviate, a new source of suffering emerges. Can you ever stop that? It certainly seems that an atheist is always boastful when he says "science is working on it." Is not that a weakness, rather than a strength if you have to work on something?

When would an atheist say that "science is working on it" and in what context? In terms of attempts to cure things like cancer, aids, etc then it goes without saying that scientists are working on it. No-one would use 'science is working on it' as a cheap point for a secular, or anti-religious agenda because that would represent a confirmation bias and be blatantly anti-scientific.

Also, no, it is a good thing that we recognise that we need to work to get results and discover answers. I'm sorry you believe that being humble about one's place in the universe is something of a weakness. I do not.

And regarding global warming, there is a whole clique of credible scientists who take Al Gore's fanaticism with skepticism.

Is it bigger than the Discovery Institutes list of scientists (mostly mathematicans or engineers) that dispute evolution?

 

[Amadeus85]

You do know what a religion is, don't you? Having a certain political belief does not mean you are part of a new religion!

This new radical ecology is like going back to paganism. They are ready to risk people' life in order to save trees or animals. Thats from times when people prayed to tree or a mountain.

Al Gore got Noble prize for nothing, only because he is leftist clown. Nowadays they dont even use the term - Global Warming, they use now Climate Changes.

Where is Al Gore now? He is staying in his home and clearing up the snow from his backyard cursing the cold.