The Hoor-ul-`Een

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Don't worry, akhi. Whatever is meant for you, you will get.

About my pm, I found this

 

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Huzaifah ibn Adam ​

It was usage of the word houri in pre islamic poetry, like the claim presented in that modernist view point

 

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@Huzaifah ibn Adam

 

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can we say verses addressing them were to the early arabs

 

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@Huzaifah ibn Adam

Speaking of which, I found this:

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibra...no=37&ayano=49

In here, it says that ibn zayd says that the houris are white mixed with yellow like ostrich eggs and as show here:


والعين : جمع عيناء ، وهي الواسعة العين في جمال . ( كأنهن بيض مكنون ) شبههن ، قال الجمهور : ببيض النعام المكنون في عشه ، وهو الأدحية ولونها بياض به صفرة حسنة ، وبها تشبه النساء فقال :

مضيئات الخدود ومنه قول امرئ القيس :


وبيضة خدر لا يرام خباؤها تمتعت من لهو بها غير معجل

كبكر المقاناة البياض بصفرة غذاها نمير الماء غير المحلل

The majority of scholars say they are white mixed with yellow as well, like ostrich eggs. Now, I know Ibn zayd and the majority of scholars say that the houri's whiteness are like coral(al marjan) or something and at the same time,they are also saying the houri's are this color. I have heard white mixed with yellow is like hinta(hinti), lightest shade before white or something, but I was wondering, are the scholars contradictory in describing the houri's whiteness like corals and this color as well? Do you know what al hinti/hinta looks like?

 

[islamirama]

can we say verses addressing them were to the early arabs

no, those were for the believers. The ones for the arabs was the hadith of the prophet :saws1: about them following the people of the book, even if the later go through a lizard's hole.

Imaam al-Ghazaali writes in "Ihyaa `Uloom ad-Deen":

“According to Rasoolullaah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم the Hurs (Houris) of Paradise will be pure women—free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hoors will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hoors and we are for the honored husbands. Rasoolullaah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم also said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Rasoolullaah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hoors, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.” [Ihyaa `Uloom ad-Deen, vol.4, p.430]

(12,500 women.)

This Hadeeth is also narrated by Imaam ibn Abi-d Dunyaa in Sifat-ul-Jannah and by Imaam al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wan-Nushoor.

Are you sure about this? 12,500 is a lot of women for one man. Even a strength of a 1000 men rather then 100 will not be enough. and since most women will be in the hellfire and each man will get 2 earthly women, so the other 12, 498 are hooren then?

if every one in jannah will get what their hearts desire, what if a earthly woman want more than one man?

 

[azc]

No hoor even La'iba, the most beautiful one, is so beautiful as your wife is in jannah

 

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Allaah Ta`aalaa says in Soorah al-Waaqi`ah:

وَحُورٌ عِينٌ

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ

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{"And (there will be for the Muslimeen, in Jannah) fair females with wide, lovely eyes. Like unto preserved pearls."** [Soorah al-Waaqi`ah, 56:22, 23]

In Tafseer as-Sa`di, Imaam as-Sa`di رحمة الله عليه explains this Aayah, saying:

والحوراء : التي في عينها كحل وملاحة ، وحسن وبهاء ، والعِين : حسان الأعين وضخامها ، وحسن العين في الأنثى من أعظم الأدلة على حسنها وجمالها

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"Al-Hawraa (pl. Hoor): A female whose eyes are lined with Kuhl and which are extremely beautiful and bright. Al-`Een refers to eyes which are beautiful and wide.

Beautiful eyes in a female is one of the greatest signs of her beauty."

Explaining the Aayah, "Like unto preserved pearls," he says:

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ أي : كأنهن اللؤلؤ الأبيض الرطب الصافي البهي ، المستور عن الأعين والريح والشمس ، الذي يكون لونه من أحسن الألوان ، الذي لا عيب فيه بوجه من الوجوه ، فكذلك الحور العين ، لا عيب فيهن بوجه ، بل هن كاملات الأوصاف ، جميلات النعوت . فكل ما تأملته منها لم تجد فيه إلا ما يسر الخاطر ويروق الناظر

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"Like unto preserved pearls: Meaning, it is as though they (the Hoors) are pure, white, shining pearls; concealed from the eyes (of men), from the wind and from the rain. Their colour is the most beautiful of colours; there is no fault therein nor any blemish. Such are the Hoor-ul-`Een; there is no fault in them whatsoever. Their qualities are all perfect. They are altogether lovely. Each time you look upon them, you see nothing except that which gladdens the heart and delights the beholder."

@Huzaifah ibn Adam

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Hi Huzaifaih, in regards to the commentary of this verse here:


وَحُورٌ عِينٌ

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ

In this explanation:

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ أي : كأنهن اللؤلؤ الأبيض الرطب الصافي البهي ، المستور عن الأعين والريح والشمس ، الذي يكون لونه من أحسن الألوان ، الذي لا عيب فيه بوجه من الوجوه ، فكذلك الحور العين ، لا عيب فيهن بوجه ، بل هن كاملات الأوصاف ، جميلات النعوت . فكل ما تأملته منها لم تجد فيه إلا ما يسر الخاطر ويروق الناظر

I was just wondering, when he mentions that the houris color is the most beautiful, is he saying the color is beautiful because it has no faults/blemishes or is he saying the houris have the most beautiful colour and in addition, it has no faults or blemishes?

 

[azc]

And what about the women...will they see male-hoor..?

 

[Umm Abed]

And what about the women...will they see male-hoor..?

You dont get male-hoor. The women will be satisfied with just one.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

@Huzaifah ibn Adam
Hi Huzaifaih, in regards to the commentary of this verse here:


وَحُورٌ عِينٌ

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ

In this explanation:

كَأَمْثَالِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ أي : كأنهن اللؤلؤ الأبيض الرطب الصافي البهي ، المستور عن الأعين والريح والشمس ، الذي يكون لونه من أحسن الألوان ، الذي لا عيب فيه بوجه من الوجوه ، فكذلك الحور العين ، لا عيب فيهن بوجه ، بل هن كاملات الأوصاف ، جميلات النعوت . فكل ما تأملته منها لم تجد فيه إلا ما يسر الخاطر ويروق الناظر

I was just wondering, when he mentions that the houris color is the most beautiful, is he saying the color is beautiful because it has no faults/blemishes or is he saying the houris have the most beautiful colour and in addition, it has no faults or blemishes?

He is saying the colour is the most beautiful one in and of itself, not because it is free from blemishes. That is a separate thing.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

And what about the women...will they see male-hoor..?

​https://www.tafseer-raheemi.com/q473-is-thereward-of-multiple-hoor-in-jannah-for-women-as-well/

 

[Scimitar]

I honestly think this topic is discussing things which are really quite beyond our ability to fully comprehend.

And for the life of me, I cannot understand how people can discuss Hoor al ein, when the reality is - just getting into Jannah is a massive mercy in itself.

It's hellfire that should be the focus of our vigilance, and heaven the focus of our goal. Discussing the things of heaven mean nothing to me right now. Nothing at all. Because it's all speculation and that which is in heaven, no man can imagine - what we have are allegory, metaphor and simile which are weak humanized descriptions of other worldly things.

Scimi

 

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He is saying the colour is the most beautiful one in and of itself, not because it is free from blemishes. That is a separate thing.

This is a side note, but I was wondering, about houri's having slight yellow:

Mujāhid b. Jabr (d. 104/722; Ṭabarī, Tafsīr, xxvii, 102; Ibn Kathīr, Ṣifa, 110 f.) explains the allusion to a yellowish hue by asserting that the paradise virgins are created from saffron

Have you ever come across mujahid saying that? What did he say exactly?

 

[aaj]

You dont get male-hoor. The women will be satisfied with just one.

and what if some muslimah says that is unfair? why can't i have what my heart desires, isn't that what we are promised?

 

[Scimitar]

and what if some muslimah says that is unfair? why can't i have what my heart desires, isn't that what we are promised?

This is exactly what I mean, it's pointless discussing who gets what when you haven't gotten in there yet. LOL.

Scimi

 

[Umm Abed]

and what if some muslimah says that is unfair? why can't i have what my heart desires, isn't that what we are promised?

Bottom line is Allah swt is fair and just, so He knows us and our needs etc, I dont think anyone can find flaws in Jannah.

 

[azc]

​https://www.tafseer-raheemi.com/q473-is-thereward-of-multiple-hoor-in-jannah-for-women-as-well/

also I believe in what's explained in link though but question arise when rulings of shariah are applied on all regardless of gender and when doing a particular deed if the male is given hoor and if the woman does the same deed then what is the logic to get her deprived of the same reward...? (it's just a Q not what I believe)

 

[azc]

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You dont get male-hoor. The women will be satisfied with just one.

agree but if the husband is rewarded hell and wife heaven... Then... What...?

 

[azc]

I sum up : We don't know each and everything and nor we can. Only Allah swt knows best