the Integration of Muslims

So we agree, in an odd way. The team wanted him to play, but they know that Islam is a barrier for him -- a rule suggesting he cannot associate himself with an alcoholic atmosphere. And the player knew that Islam was a barrier for him -- the rule that suggested against associating with alcohol.

In conclusion, we're both correct, oddly enough.

Brother U say alcoholic atmosphere, U mean that since most of the players in team drink beer therefore the muslim player should opt himself out of team. Fair enough.

following same lines, how good is it for a muslim born in an Islamic country to leave his country for a western one where atmosphere is alcoholic and absolutely unislamic in other terms too. Nudity, alcohol, and what not.

I think that if muslims take ur track, the west will be deprived of all muslims, at least practising muslims who cant adjust themselves in these atmosphere.
 
With regards to the story of the Muslim Cricket Player. . . .

. . . I dont get what is difficult, if a person knows a place wont accomodate for his needs then dont go there, maybe some might go and then just file a complaint and get money, well thats upto them, if the justice system allows that then who am I to complain. . . .

This is the point isn't it. That those of us whom have no problem with either the ideology of intergration, or the actualisation of being integrated and sustaining Islam and a strong Muslim identity, sort of can't comprehend what the trouble is for those Muslims whom want to describe the trouble.

Sure there is trouble, it is troublesome just getting out of the house and onto a commuter train whilst sustaining Islam; but we manage. Point being that if we can manage for monetary capital why can't we manage for social capital also?

Integrate so as to live with those who are our neighbours. They supplicate too you know, so better to want them to know a Muslim's rule book surely.

The reality connects with the whole of modern society being effected by gog and magog. My own mother relegated my own Muslim identity to having been caused by gog and magog only because all the shaytan's assaults against my mind are worse since I showed my Islam in a Muslim identity.

But I am among the lucky whom are totally unconscious in sleep to the wrongs of. In fact I decide actively to really only know what they are acursing me with through the death process. There are things that exist that no Soul could want to see images of in their mind unless in pain. Most Muslims are acculturated like I to decide not to look; but then, we can not know what the neighbours are looking at in their minds eye, of what their own associations are accidentally projecting upon us, can we?

But then I live in a country I am indigenous to and we really are all related, even internationally, I can assure you. What images land in what recepticle of Human awareness is so very abtersely providential. Not one of us can actualise control of such matters through the medium of electricity since it requires an Arch Angel to calculate location and time at that speed. The ill of the situation is that the gog and magog patterning which is prevalent accords that it becomes socially acceptable as normal for images of intimacy to be mentally exchanged. But then we can not know when the image is from, and if we believe in it before it occurs we become causal. What I am saying is also that in this age, because of electricity being in use, even adult minds are susceptible to matter that is truly not their business and which they are unable to associate accurately with. So it is all the more important that we recall never to assume even a single fault of one another, except in bodily confession.

Often I get images of my own children, of matters they are connecting with in ill regard, and I simply must constantly reinforce in my own mind that I will not believe such of my children, and that I will provide them evidence to the contrary without ever accusing them.

So really what I am saying then is that those of us, like my self, whom integrate with ease, and while maintaining internal Hijab all day, and by constant purification of the mind; really ought to be considering the needs of persons whom can not so readily integrate. But that those persons whom find it more difficult to cleanse the mind, ought also be more considerate that if there is a matter occuring in their own mind, they might only choose to end it there rather than use to fault others with. That is the way I integrate; how else is there?

When I observe that a shaytan has an idea in their mind that they might enact enormous harm with; then I relieve them of it and give to them a less harmful trouble to make. But while I readily absorb that consequence in onto my self, I know that other persons are not able to. Especially since I need to sleep sometimes and really still can not mind myself while I sleep. So since I am vastly disliked locally, including by many criminals for having caused their infestation of Muslim prayers (they were falsely accusing with terrorism etc), became available to the general public's knowledge, and thwarted the criminals profits; of course it is that in my form of integration others will be frightened of integrating. But I am an extreme example. The extreme, bar only two others, to my knowledge, in fact. If we never integrate then how can we cause that the world is believing?

waram
 
I am kind of sick and tired after reading all these "integration of Muslims in western societies" articles.

what does integration really implying apart from rejecting the veil?
that its mandatory for a Muslim male or female to attend to dance clubs,rock concerts ,watch porn,have pre-marital sex to be accepted into the western society? :rollseyes

look I am confused.

what if a Muslim living in the UK or France refuses to do such things?will you keep him or her out?

assalaamu alaykum,

read your Quran akhi, doesnt Allah not tell us they will never like us until we are like themselves?

subhanallah always bothers me when muslims dont realise its all been written before, its like having an exam but you get the answer sheet before you go into the test but you have to bother reading it otherwise chances are you'll get the wrong answer.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
salams
Intergration integration this is just a stupid excuse to take away the rights of british muslims, "oh you cant wear a veil becaues we want the muslims to integrate" we should first respect each other values, cultures and religions and if we do this integration will be an easy process.
waslam
 
Waram

I guess that in the larger integration issue in respect of Hijab that there is a really obvious telling truth to the reality of what any specific party is speaking about.

If there are persons outside of a Muslim community trying to suggest to persons inside of the Muslim community that removing the veil might calm down a difficult to manage social condition: then that can be true only if the persons wanting removal of the veil are ALREADY IN BETTER INTERNAL HIJAB than the persons whom are wearing the veil.

I am lead to believe that such was the case in India when the demise of the Islamic Empire there was occuring. It was not that too many were falling to disbelief so much as that many among believers percieved that there are women for whom the shame that they can not themselves sustain internal Hijab is too great for them to realise that they might need gifts of Alms in Hijab.

What is the case in England? How well are the Muslim community sustaining Hijab internally; and what is the English populations attitude to their appearance in general. I know that many English are actually very good at managing appearances. If those asking for removal of the veil in specific instances are actually themselves in very good internal Hijab; then they quite likely have a good point to make.

Many Aboriginal Australians regard it as something of a joke that Muslims want everyone to be in veil, since the Indigenous Hijab is often enough manifesting in better alignment with Shari'ah, even with the occasional bikini when at the ocean, than often we see Muslim women in while walking about the street all veiled up. This might seem odd to say, but we are often used to seeing veiled Muslim women with far more vanity about them than the Indigenous population here could ever exhibit without shame so deep that we would be kicked out of our own Ummah.

waram
waram
 
Integration implies not forcing Islamic views on people who are not and do not want to Muslim. It implies respecting local laws and culture. It does not mean being forced to go to nightclubs - nobody in Europe is forced to go to nightclubs. I have never gone to one in my life. They bore me.
 
Integration implies not forcing Islamic views on people who are not and do not want to Muslim. It implies respecting local laws and culture. It does not mean being forced to go to nightclubs - nobody in Europe is forced to go to nightclubs. I have never gone to one in my life. They bore me.

Of course it also hold vice-versa.

To say that muslim can't inegrate because they an't partake in alcoholism is stretching it far. Muslim are forbidden to drink alcohol or partake in a table where alcohol is being served. I been leaving in the UK for a long time, and none of my non-muslim freinds evertold me "you are not intergrating."
Their are some non-muslim freind that don't drink alcohol or feel obliged to go down the pub for a drink, clubing, wild parties and partaking in drugs.
Their are other places and other things that you can partake on, have a good time while being sober.
 
When I said they bore me, I should have said "the idea of them bores me"... lol. Nightclubs are just a stupid excuse to get drink and risk getting into a fight or getting pregnant (for a girl)... they're a blight on Europe.
 
Integration implies not forcing Islamic views on people who are not and do not want to Muslim. It implies respecting local laws and culture. It does not mean being forced to go to nightclubs - nobody in Europe is forced to go to nightclubs. I have never gone to one in my life. They bore me.

nobody is forcing you to keep a beard or wear hijab either, just that if we would like to then we would like that to be respected by others.

same way if we do not wish to associate with people who's actions are displeasing to God, except when calling them to the truth then that is our choice and there should be no force there either.

but there is force where secular governments like those in france and denmark and some states in germany force women to uncover themselves and where secular govts in the muslim world force people to stop practicing islam, there is force coming from those against islam i have not seen any force coming the other way, only a question of why the 'tolarent west' cannot tolarate that which is different to it?

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk; said:
.....only a question of why the 'tolerent West' cannot tolerate that which is different to it?

The issue is, that Muslims claim, that the West is purpously not allowing Muslims to integrate.

But when Muslims choose not to join in community activities for any reason they cannot then claim its the fault of the West.




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Skillganon said:
To say that muslim can't inegrate because they an't partake in alcoholism is stretching it far.

When a Westerner chooses not to drink it is in front of his friends who can see that not drinking was very sensible.

When a Muslim chooses not to drink it's a secret.
 

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