The Law of God.

wilberhum said:
Keltoi,
We probably have an unsurpassable obstacle. I believe that all religions are man made.

Therefore religious laws were created for an endless number of reasons.

But I don’t believe that any of them are from god.
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Hi Wilber

How, if at all, do you think God manifests himself in your life? :?
(Be as specific as you can be ... :D )

Peace
 
salam,

hi glo! long time no see lol....plz dont ask him that....i just make a deal with wilberhum minutes ago...i dont want this thread derailed again.
 
glo said:
Hi Wilber

How, if at all, do you think God manifests himself in your life? :?
(Be as specific as you can be ... :D )

Peace
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Since this has nothing to do with so called "god's laws", I will PM you.

That is assuming that MuhammadRizan isn't going to be ruling the world any time soon. :rollseyes
 
MuhammadRizan said:
salam.



that's the spirit...i'm sorry if i offended you...i hate making enemy.
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No offence no enemy. I speak my mind, you speak yours. Isn't that what we do here? :thumbs_up
I was not trying to be short with the short answer. A short answer was all that was needed. We were obviously at an impass.
 
salam.

so what about Christians today?
Bible we use today is just as same as the Bible in the past, true word of God.

is it because separation church and government?

I'm assuming no because God is above all thing, ignoring, changing, or even slightest adjustment into his commandment for worldly cause is unacceptable.

so what is the reason?
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i'm asking biblical reason and latest Laws that Jesus teach(briefly!) especially for the major sin.
i believe Christian don't merely ask the sinner to repent and that's it, end of story! am i right?

Not only that, although that is true, but Christ also taught by example. When the crowd prepared to stone Mary Magdalene, Christ stopped them from doing it by stating "let those without sin cast the first stone". The Message of Christ is one of forgiveness and mercy.
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i'm curious what actually Mary Magdalene did?did she really guilty or something?
 
MuhammadRizan said:
salam.

your question a little bit funny, well yeah! we had to admit there is no Laws from God about speed limit in school area, it's a manmade Law(i never says human Laws are evil) for safety reason, if you're cought then you'll receive that 'love letter' from police officer.

But if you exeeding speed limit and hit somebody, there is God laws.
let say you hit a children and Broke his spine.

According Islam, the children's family can choose 1 from this demands.

1-merely forgive you.
2-asking Blood money.
3-Broke your spine.

But of course, only Government can enforced this law.

i hope u got a clearer view.

:thankyou:
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So Brother above, do you think there could be any principles, if fiqh for example, which then can be applied to make laws to cover new matters? If there is such a thing then would that no be obeying God's law?

As for the rest of the thread, I think it's amazing, I have never understood some views. God gave laws in the past in the OT, instead of using them, some rather make their own laws and use them instead? Is it because the laws given to those in the past are bad? What is it that makes people turn away from them?
 
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So Brother above, do you think there could be any principles, if fiqh for example, which then can be applied to make laws to cover new matters? If there is such a thing then would that no be obeying God's law?
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as you can see in Islam we cannot altered something that already Fixed in Quran or Hadith because it's Directly from God.

The Muftis will makes ruling with basic usul fiqh method

1. The Qur'an

2. The Sunnah

as to covers new matter.

Thus, we may state that the concept of Ijtihid or "opinion", at that stage went no further than one of the following:

1. Applying one or another of the possible meanings in cases where a sentence may lend itself to two or more interpretations, e.g. when the Prophet (PBUH) ordered the Muslims to pray among Banu Qurayzah.

2. Comparative Qiyas; which deals with a matter by comparing it with another, similar matter which is dealt with in the Qur'an or Sunnah. For example, the Qiyas of 'Ammar who compared the case of Tayammum when in a state of Janabah to Ghusl, and therefore rubbed his whole body with dust.16

3. Ijtihad by taking into account something which is potentially beneficial; or prohibiting something which could lead to wrongdoing; or deriving a particular ruling from general statements; or adopting a specific interpretation; and so on.

Can we call a new laws, Laws of God?

Yes, but it'll be indirectly.

let's say Drugs.

Drugs are not mention in 2 main source, therefore Muftis must use the 3rd option.

We can Qiyas it with Liquor=intoxicant, using Drugs also harms our health and Allah prohibited doing something that harm ourself and others and so on.

lets say speeding, it's also dangerous for ourself and others..

this is oversimplified of course, usul fiqh is very broad subject.
and i dont want to claim myself as completely able to discuss about that.

But the basic point is.

Basic Laws in Quran and Hadis stand still.
New Laws are only for new Matter.

hope that help,:)
 
Well if you have spoken truth then the new laws are derived from sources which the Allah has approved of, thus in reality it would fall under the law of God since God has provided mankind a way to derive rulings. Thanks for your time bro.
 
Salam.

There is no evidence that Mary Magdalene was ever anything but a pious worman.
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that's what i've read too, so no wonder Jesus saves her.
but what if it's not her, other woman that really guilty without any doubt?

i still don't have the answer.

i'm asking biblical reason and latest Laws that Jesus teach(briefly!) especially for the major sin.
i believe Christian don't merely ask the sinner to repent and that's it, end of story! am i right?
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Al Habeshi said:
Well if you have spoken truth then the new laws are derived from sources which the Allah has approved of, thus in reality it would fall under the law of God since God has provided mankind a way to derive rulings. Thanks for your time bro.
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Now we get "god's laws" by people speaking for god. Well god told Bush to invade Iraq so I guess it is a good thing. :skeleton:
 
salam.

well..we can derive ruling from God's source.
not by vision or hearin' voice in my head lol.

in Bush's case, hmmm...i dont know..i've never heard he said that on news..
he did?
 
MuhammadRizan said:
salam.

well..we can derive ruling from God's source.
not by vision or hearin' voice in my head lol.

in Bush's case, hmmm...i dont know..i've never heard he said that on news..
he did?
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Asalam alakum that is called a consious in your brain/mind
 
MuhammadRizan said:
Basic Laws in Quran and Hadis stand still.
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The people of the west don’t question the laws of Islam. Its is the punishments that are considered barbaric.


The laws of the old testament stand today. It’s the punishments that are barbaric.

said:
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be punished
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This law has not changed



said:
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall be punished
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This law has not changed


said:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: (Exodus 20:4)
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This law has not changed



said:
And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be punished
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This law has not changed
 
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