The “Leader” of the free world!

[Christian_dove]

And what possible reason can there be for denying it? In 1941 when the US stepped into its Global role, there were how many democracies in the world? The US and Britain and its White Dominions. A small number of Nordic states. Switzerland. The period of American domination has also been the period of democratic growth in the world. Now the US is not perfect, but they are better than, say, the French. Can we all agree on that? What did anyone else ever do for democracy?

Ehem... And why exactly did US "step into its Global role"? Was it because they saw Hitler-Germany as a threat to democracy? Do you know what the american opinion on the matter was at that time? Have you ever heard of Pearl Harbour? The US was FORCED to take action because they were attacked, americans in general had absolutely no interest in the war non what so ever.. So much for your great defenders of the democracy... All they wanted was to save their own sore ass...

Not my precious country as it happens. What reality is this? And compared to what? Algeria? Morocco? The US is not perfect, but a reasonable person would have to say there is good and bad in all of us and in all (secular) things. This includes the United States. Now I think there are quite a few good things about the role of the US. Not 100 percent, but better than most. Why does that annoy you so much?

I can't answer for anyone else, but it annoys me because it is a lie.

 

[HeiGou]

Ehem... And why exactly did US "step into its Global role"? Was it because they saw Hitler-Germany as a threat to democracy? Do you know what the american opinion on the matter was at that time? Have you ever heard of Pearl Harbour? The US was FORCED to take action because they were attacked, americans in general had absolutely no interest in the war non what so ever.. So much for your great defenders of the democracy... All they wanted was to save their own sore ass...

Well yes it was because they, meaning the Roosevelt administration, saw the Germans as a threat to democracy. American opinion was isolationist. So? The US was not forced to take action, they told the public they were forced to take action. Roosevelt had been taking action - he had been patrolling the Atlantic and sinking German U-Boats, he sent the AVG to China, he sent aid to Britain, he imposed sanctions on Japan.

Again the US is not perfect and many Americans wanted to stay out of other people's quarrels. As they still do. But this merely shows how hypocritical your argument is: the Americans are damned if they intervene in Iraq or Latin America, and now you damn them again if they want to wait it out. On top of which, and please correct me if I am wrong, but your Swedish for crying out loud. What did the Swedes do during the War but 1. contribute to the secret German re-armament program and then provide the Germans with all the military supplies they needed? Are you holding up your own country as a better example than the US?

Not my precious country as it happens. What reality is this? And compared to what? Algeria? Morocco? The US is not perfect, but a reasonable person would have to say there is good and bad in all of us and in all (secular) things. This includes the United States. Now I think there are quite a few good things about the role of the US. Not 100 percent, but better than most. Why does that annoy you so much?

I can't answer for anyone else, but it annoys me because it is a lie.

But it isn't. It is true. You may not like it but that is irrelevant. It still remains true.

 

[Christian_dove]

Well yes it was because they, meaning the Roosevelt administration, saw the Germans as a threat to democracy.

Actually it was Germany who declared war on the USA. Not the other way around. USA couldn't give a s h i t about the values of democracy then, and they don't give a s h i t now either. Well, unless it means it will somehow affect them negatively, such as not getting their precious oil, etc.

American opinion was isolationist. So? The US was not forced to take action, they told the public they were forced to take action. Roosevelt had been taking action - he had been patrolling the Atlantic and sinking German U-Boats, he sent the AVG to China, he sent aid to Britain, he imposed sanctions on Japan.

They were not forced? Ok.. Sure, they could just let their whole fleet be destroyed by the japs in the pacific.. And when italy and Germany declared war in december of 1941, they could just sit and wait for the bombs to be dropped. No problemo...

Again the US is not perfect and many Americans wanted to stay out of other people's quarrels. As they still do.

That's probably because they think so highly of themselves, why bother to help others... But thanks for stating that US is not perfect. It's not neccessary however, I am aware of this.

But this merely shows how hypocritical your argument is: the Americans are damned if they intervene in Iraq or Latin America, and now you damn them again if they want to wait it out.

Hypocritical? How much of an idiot are you? The support of dictators in Latin America (or anywhere else for that matter) is not my idea of intervening to create democracy.

On top of which, and please correct me if I am wrong, but your Swedish for crying out loud. What did the Swedes do during the War but 1. contribute to the secret German re-armament program and then provide the Germans with all the military supplies they needed? Are you holding up your own country as a better example than the US?

Hm. Are you by any chance Australian? A "democracy" founded by criminals and convicts? A land who refused to look at the aborigines as human beings until, ws it 1967?

Sweden was "neutral", but definitely anything but neutral during ww2. They supported Germany with iron ore for some time (did they have a choice?), but they also took care of great many jewish refugees, and secretly supported the norwegian resistance. And no, Norway is not the capital of Sweden... I am norwegian. Cry out loud as much as you want. You and your fantastic USA probably would have been nuked way before Hiroshima and Nagasaki if it wasn't for the norwegians.

But it isn't. It is true. You may not like it but that is irrelevant. It still remains true.

Say that to the men in white coats. Cry it out loud. "It's true! It's true!! Awww!!! Don't take me!!!"

 

[HeiGou]

Actually it was Germany who declared war on the USA. Not the other way around. USA couldn't give a s h i t about the values of democracy then, and they don't give a s h i t now either. Well, unless it means it will somehow affect them negatively, such as not getting their precious oil, etc.

As usual you miss the point. Roosevelt was firing on German naval vessels well before the Germans declared war. Look at when the Americans began to patrol the Atlantic. So while the American public was not concerned with other peoples' fights, the Roosevelt administration was.

And the fact remains there has been an enormous growth in wealth and freedom since 1945. Thanks to the US.

They were not forced? Ok.. Sure, they could just let their whole fleet be destroyed by the japs in the pacific.. And when italy and Germany declared war in december of 1941, they could just sit and wait for the bombs to be dropped. No problemo...

Except you again ignore the fact that the US was, in effect, at war with both powers already by 1941. As I said embargoes against Japan, the AVG, the naval clashes, Lend Lease etc etc etc.

That's probably because they think so highly of themselves, why bother to help others... But thanks for stating that US is not perfect. It's not neccessary however, I am aware of this.

Well there is so much you are not aware of, how was I to know?

Hypocritical? How much of an idiot are you? The support of dictators in Latin America (or anywhere else for that matter) is not my idea of intervening to create democracy.

But that is because you are, well, let's not say that. The US government has preferred military dictators to Communism, but has always prefered a free and fair democratic system if it can get it. You will notice that Reagan forced out the dictators and demanded elections in South America.

Hm. Are you by any chance Australian? A "democracy" founded by criminals and convicts? A land who refused to look at the aborigines as human beings until, ws it 1967?

Snappy. And amusing considering who it is aimed at and who it is coming from - a descendent of Vikings calling anyone else criminals and convicts?

Sweden was "neutral", but definitely anything but neutral during ww2. They supported Germany with iron ore for some time (did they have a choice?), but they also took care of great many jewish refugees, and secretly supported the norwegian resistance. And no, Norway is not the capital of Sweden... I am norwegian.

My mistake. As if there is a difference. The Swedes also provided aid before the war especially with German re-armament and after the war with sheltering many Germans especially scientists. They also provided higher-tech materials that the Germans needed such as ball bearings. Nice of them.

Cry out loud as much as you want. You and your fantastic USA probably would have been nuked way before Hiroshima and Nagasaki if it wasn't for the norwegians.

Yeah yeah yeah. If the Norwegians had put up half a fight the Germans would not have got near the Heavy Water. Not that they were close to building a bomb themselves.

 

[Christian_dove]

As usual you miss the point. Roosevelt was firing on German naval vessels well before the Germans declared war. Look at when the Americans began to patrol the Atlantic. So while the American public was not concerned with other peoples' fights, the Roosevelt administration was.

Really? So you admit that the american authorities were actually involved in a military operation without the knowledge of the american people? Hmm.. Doesn't sound like democracy to me...

And the fact remains there has been an enormous growth in wealth and freedom since 1945. Thanks to the US.

Perhaps the enourmous growth would have been even greater without their increasingly disturbing involvements? We will never know, will we...

Except you again ignore the fact that the US was, in effect, at war with both powers already by 1941. As I said embargoes against Japan, the AVG, the naval clashes, Lend Lease etc etc etc.

Embargo? Yes, american authorities are found of those things..

Well there is so much you are not aware of, how was I to know?

At least I know that there are things I am unaware of. You, on the other hand seem to be unaware of your shortcommings... You have that in common with several american presidents, so perhaps you should be proud.

But that is because you are, well, let's not say that. The US government has preferred military dictators to Communism, but has always prefered a free and fair democratic system if it can get it. You will notice that Reagan forced out the dictators and demanded elections in South America.

That's just bollocks and proves what an idiot you are. They don't even have a free democratic system themselves. Why would they care about what other countries have? And what makes a military dictator any better than a communist? Basically, what you say is that cholera is fine but the plague isn't. Problem with your reasoning is that USA have even supported the removal of legally ellected gouvernments.

Snappy. And amusing considering who it is aimed at and who it is coming from - a descendent of Vikings calling anyone else criminals and convicts?

Well, there is a difference between something that happened 1000 years ago, and last century. Or.. Wait, let me rephrase that. Today actually, as the aborigines are still in the gutter and you have a fanatic racist for a prime minister (John Howard, The "deputy-sheriff to the United States")... And he is a conservative rightwinger just as his american counterpart, Bush.. And he supported the invasion of Iraq and even sent troops.. Hmmm.. You are his little brother, aren't you?

Norwegian got their eyes opened to this pathetic loser, when the australian gouvernment refused to help refugees on a boat situated outside your coast some time ago. The refugees from a sinking ship was picked up by a norwegian cargo boat (and included children and women), but John Howard himself denied assistance.. How brave. Applause. Not to mention the olympic Games in Australia, a disgrace in regards to the people who are the true australians, the aborigines. We didn't get to see too many pictures of them nor their ghettos... But let's get back to the issue.

My mistake. As if there is a difference. The Swedes also provided aid before the war especially with German re-armament and after the war with sheltering many Germans especially scientists. They also provided higher-tech materials that the Germans needed such as ball bearings. Nice of them.

Really? From where did you get this info? From what I've heard the swedes did a good job fooling the germans throughout the war. Sheltering the german scientists? Hello? What do you think the americans and the russians did? Plenty of german technology used in american weapon industry during the cold war.

Yeah yeah yeah. If the Norwegians had put up half a fight the Germans would not have got near the Heavy Water. Not that they were close to building a bomb themselves.

We had a gouvernment very much like the one you (and Britain and USA) have now, consisting of idiots. But we did put up a fight, In fact, the germans suffered their first defeat of WW2 in northern Norway.

 

[i_m_tipu]

Re: The “Leader” of the free world!

it really does not make any sense to Defend their Terrorism if not u want to be blind.

first they distroy then they give money and other Materials to stop mouth
and Shocking media, Shocking yellow Journalism let them escape even they know every thing

they r the mastermind of current durty world....:heated:

they take permission from their people and their friend (many of them know their intention) on Excuse of Religion, homeland security, global administration , business, prosperity and so many fake thing but they forget they have to die one day then.................

can anyone escape death................?
can anyone escape Judgment day.......?

Allaah is the only protector

 

[HeiGou]

Really? So you admit that the american authorities were actually involved in a military operation without the knowledge of the american people? Hmm.. Doesn't sound like democracy to me...

I was waiting for you to clue on to that. Yes that is what Roosevelt did. It is, however, democratic, no matter how much you may not like it, because the Constitution, arguably, allowed him to do so. It is typical of you though that any American is damned whatever they do - whether they support War or do not, whether they engage in confronting dictators or not. Regardless the Americans are in the wrong. Would you agree that this is your approach and it is thoroughly childish?

Perhaps the enourmous growth would have been even greater without their increasingly disturbing involvements? We will never know, will we...

No but common sense and fairness, even decency, means you ought to consider the full record of the last 50 years not just the bits you pick out to make the Americans look bad. What is certainly true is that the Americans, over rough every dozen years or so since 1945, have created as much wealth in the world as the British period of 120 years or so of domination before 1945 which was about the same as created in in the previous 100,000 years of human civilisation before that. By any means that is an impressive record. Look around - we owe the Americans pretty much everything you can see that is shiny, new and technological - the video screen you are looking at, the computer it is attached to, the internet you are using so poorly.

Embargo? Yes, american authorities are found of those things..

Indeed they are. They prefer not to fight if they possibly can. No doubt you think that is a bad thing too.

That's just bollocks and proves what an idiot you are. They don't even have a free democratic system themselves. Why would they care about what other countries have? And what makes a military dictator any better than a communist? Basically, what you say is that cholera is fine but the plague isn't. Problem with your reasoning is that USA have even supported the removal of legally ellected gouvernments.

This is so, well, let's avoid that word too. But it makes it hard to even begin to point out what is wrong with this steaming pile of, well, you know. America has a free and democratic system of government and have done so for much longer than the vast majority of European states. They do care about other countries and have put in a great deal of work to create free and democratic societies elsewhere. Including Latin America. Military dictators kill very few people, they run their countries better, they are not genocidal or totalitarian and they fall from power fairly soon. By any means better than a Communist dictatorship. Look at Cuba. No that is not what I am saying but of course I understand that what I am saying is mildly complicated and you just do not get it. Fine. So what if the US has supported the removal of legally elected governments? Saddam for instance. I have never said they were perfect.

Norwegian got their eyes opened to this pathetic loser, when the australian gouvernment refused to help refugees on a boat situated outside your coast some time ago. The refugees from a sinking ship was picked up by a norwegian cargo boat (and included children and women), but John Howard himself denied assistance.. How brave. Applause. Not to mention the olympic Games in Australia, a disgrace in regards to the people who are the true australians, the aborigines. We didn't get to see too many pictures of them nor their ghettos... But let's get back to the issue.

Uh huh. Take it up with an Australian or someone who cares.

Really? From where did you get this info? From what I've heard the swedes did a good job fooling the germans throughout the war. Sheltering the german scientists? Hello? What do you think the americans and the russians did? Plenty of german technology used in american weapon industry during the cold war.

No doubt. But then we have established the limits of what you know. The Swedes of course sheltered the German re-armament program before the war as well and in fact were major contributors to the process. All Aryans together of course.

We had a gouvernment very much like the one you (and Britain and USA) have now, consisting of idiots. But we did put up a fight, In fact, the germans suffered their first defeat of WW2 in northern Norway.

Uh huh.

 

[Christian_dove]

I was waiting for you to clue on to that.

Did you bite your tongue (or your fingers) after you realized what you wrote?

Because what you agree to is exactly what this thread is all about, the american authorities are running their own show (and has done so for a very long time), not for the sake of americans (or any oter country) but to gain wealth to some dodgy, political structures made up by the few in power.

The americans have provided the world with a lot. The american authorities have not.

No doubt. But then we have established the limits of what you know. The Swedes of course sheltered the German re-armament program before the war as well and in fact were major contributors to the process. All Aryans together of course.

Actually, me as a norwegian didn't know these things even though I am familiar with sweden and have spent a good amount of time there. Source, please?

Here is what wikipedia says about sweden and the WW2:

Sweden remained neutral during World War I and World War II, although its neutrality during World War II has been disputed. Sweden made concessions to both sides during the war. Sweden secretly allowed Allied spies to work within Sweden, trained Norwegian soldiers at Swedish bases, allowed American planes to use Swedish air bases, and towards the end of the war was actually preparing a millitary action to liberate Denmark and Norway, in collaboration with the Allies. The Swedish intelligence agency was able to work in Germany and contributed information to the Allies. Sweden also gave supplies to Finland, and allowed granted asylum to thousands of refugees, including Jews from Denmark, and Swedes such as Raoul Wallenberg were responsible for saving many thousands of Jews. However, Sweden also supplied Nazi Germany with iron ore in exchange for coal. A great part of the iron used by Hitler to build war machines came from Swedish mines. Sweden cancelled trade agreements with Germany in 1943, when it was well known that Hitler could no longer win the war. These concessions were forced upon Sweden by the Nazis rather than voluntary, and were considered necessary to maintain Swedish neutrality. Sweden´s contribution to the Allies, and the humanitarian contributions, are unfortunately often overlooked in the shadow of the concessions to the Nazis.

Now, your sources please?

Uh huh.

What's with the Uh huh's? Are you an owl?

 

[HeiGou]

Did you bite your tongue (or your fingers) after you realized what you wrote?

No. That is what happened. It happened. I have never said the US was perfect. Nor do I hold a candle for Roosevelt. It is bizarre that you think the US can only do evil in the world and are happy to adopt any position as long as it makes the US look bad, but I am happy to take them, and things, as they come and not how I would like them to be.

Because what you agree to is exactly what this thread is all about, the american authorities are running their own show (and has done so for a very long time), not for the sake of americans (or any oter country) but to gain wealth to some dodgy, political structures made up by the few in power.

Exactly how did defeating the Nazis and the Japanese (a) not benefit pretty much everyone else besides the Americans and (b) improve the wealth of those in power in the US? Even if it were so, and Roosevelt started the War to make all his Yale buddies rich, who but you and some other, well, let's not say that, let's say morality impaired, would think it not worth it?

The americans have provided the world with a lot. The american authorities have not.

The two are inseparable. The Internet was provided by DARPA. The silicon chip by Texas Instruments and the NASA Moon program. You may not like it but you need to deal with it.

Actually, me as a norwegian didn't know these things even though I am familiar with sweden and have spent a good amount of time there. Source, please?

I think not. You are not worth it and certainly not worth my time. But you are welcome to look at the development of, for instance, the German 88mm gun which was, like so many others, initially done in Sweden to get around the Allies controls.

Here is what wikipedia says about sweden and the WW2:

Sweden remained neutral during World War I and World War II, although its neutrality during World War II has been disputed. Sweden made concessions to both sides during the war. Sweden secretly allowed Allied spies to work within Sweden, trained Norwegian soldiers at Swedish bases, allowed American planes to use Swedish air bases, and towards the end of the war was actually preparing a millitary action to liberate Denmark and Norway, in collaboration with the Allies. The Swedish intelligence agency was able to work in Germany and contributed information to the Allies. Sweden also gave supplies to Finland, and allowed granted asylum to thousands of refugees, including Jews from Denmark, and Swedes such as Raoul Wallenberg were responsible for saving many thousands of Jews. However, Sweden also supplied Nazi Germany with iron ore in exchange for coal. A great part of the iron used by Hitler to build war machines came from Swedish mines. Sweden cancelled trade agreements with Germany in 1943, when it was well known that Hitler could no longer win the war. These concessions were forced upon Sweden by the Nazis rather than voluntary, and were considered necessary to maintain Swedish neutrality. Sweden´s contribution to the Allies, and the humanitarian contributions, are unfortunately often overlooked in the shadow of the concessions to the Nazis.

Let me change the high-lighting a little. Disputed. Naturally. So Sweden did supply the Germans with oodles of war material. And did so right up to the point where it was obvious the Germans would lose when they proudly and bravely cancelled their obligations. Neat. Cowardly and greedy.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Hash the Taliban are were a bunch of thugs and hooligans.

They married women, only to rape them and divorce them, making a mockery of your faith.

Dont support lunatics like them.

You have the luxury of living in the west, learn from what it has to offer you.

Which taliban you talking about? Do you even know what your talking about? have you ever even been to Afghanistan? Dont tell me you know the taliban just from the news.

 

[Christian_dove]

The two are inseparable. The Internet was provided by DARPA. The silicon chip by Texas Instruments and the NASA Moon program. You may not like it but you need to deal with it.

What has the Internet to do with this? Have I ever said that everything that comes out of America is crap? Or that only the good guys can make great inventions? Wow, the nazis didn't like tobacoo, therefor tobacco must be good for us, right..? And the computer, nazi invention, wasn't it? Konrad Zuse, or whatever his name was. Are you still online? Goodness, turn that thing off, it's from Nazi-Germany.

Where is your logic? Well, keep clutching at straws...

I think not. You are not worth it and certainly not worth my time. But you are welcome to look at the development of, for instance, the German 88mm gun which was, like so many others, initially done in Sweden to get around the Allies controls.

You don't have a source, do you? You just made it up because you thought Norway was the capital of Sweden, and that I was swedish.. And when you started searcing for "evidence" that the swedes were pro-nazis, you couldn't find any and now you start clutching at straws again.

Let me change the high-lighting a little. Disputed. Naturally. So Sweden did supply the Germans with oodles of war material. And did so right up to the point where it was obvious the Germans would lose when they proudly and bravely cancelled their obligations. Neat. Cowardly and greedy.

When great powers are waging war, small countries can't afford to be heroic. Disputed, yes. Because Sweden comprimised the policy of neutrality in favor of the Allies.

You are laughable. I rest my case.

 

[Ghazi]

You are so full of ****

Salaam

Chill out man no need to insult people.

 

[Christian_dove]

Salaam

Chill out man no need to insult people.

What I meant was ; you are so full of salt.

That's all...

 

[DaSangarTalib]

Lol

 

[HeiGou]

What has the Internet to do with this? Have I ever said that everything that comes out of America is crap? Or that only the good guys can make great inventions? Wow, the nazis didn't like tobacoo, therefor tobacco must be good for us, right..? And the computer, nazi invention, wasn't it? Konrad Zuse, or whatever his name was. Are you still online? Goodness, turn that thing off, it's from Nazi-Germany.

Where is your logic? Well, keep clutching at straws...

Because the internet is more than just an invention. Science comes from a culture. It requires certain things like openness, tolerance and lots of money and investment. Which American society provides. It is also, in this case, the result of American defence spending which they very generously shared with the world. You seem to think that the Americans are all Nazis and so we should not touch anything to do with them - why foist your argument on me? The computer was not the work of Germans as it happens. John Von Neumann was Hungarian. And Jewish.

You don't have a source, do you? You just made it up because you thought Norway was the capital of Sweden, and that I was swedish.. And when you started searcing for "evidence" that the swedes were pro-nazis, you couldn't find any and now you start clutching at straws again.

I have never thought Norway was the capital of Sweden. After all the brown haired girl from Abba fled Norway for Sweden because the Norwegians were so vile to her (her father was a German soldier). I am just utterly indifferent to where you are from. And I remain so.

I notice that you have selected very carefully from that article. You do not mention Sweden providing transit for German Army units to attack Finland and Norway - a violation of their neutrality. You suggest that the iron ore was cut off in 1943, when the Article does not seem to say that to me. I don't think I said the Swedes were pro-Nazis although, obviously, a lot of them were.

When great powers are waging war, small countries can't afford to be heroic. Disputed, yes. Because Sweden comprimised the policy of neutrality in favor of the Allies.

By allowing the German Army to pass through Sweden to attack Norway? Un huh. Switzerland managed better than this. For that matter, so did Italy. They rejected the German alliance and were occupied for it. They fought. What can you say about a country that makes Italy's war record look heroic?

 

[Christian_dove]

Because the internet is more than just an invention. Science comes from a culture. It requires certain things like openness, tolerance and lots of money and investment. Which American society provides. It is also, in this case, the result of American defence spending which they very generously shared with the world. You seem to think that the Americans are all Nazis and so we should not touch anything to do with them - why foist your argument on me? The computer was not the work of Germans as it happens. John Von Neumann was Hungarian. And Jewish.

Americans are not nazis. And everything that comes from america is not bad. Exactly how many times do I have to say this before it reaches the inner side of your seemingly confused head?

I have never thought Norway was the capital of Sweden. After all the brown haired girl from Abba fled Norway for Sweden because the Norwegians were so vile to her (her father was a German soldier). I am just utterly indifferent to where you are from. And I remain so.

Good.

I notice that you have selected very carefully from that article. You do not mention Sweden providing transit for German Army units to attack Finland and Norway - a violation of their neutrality. You suggest that the iron ore was cut off in 1943, when the Article does not seem to say that to me. I don't think I said the Swedes were pro-Nazis although, obviously, a lot of them were.

So rather than pretend being neutral and thus allowing the resistance movement of the allies to make use of their teritory, Sweden should have just let Germany invade them? Something that would have resulted in more killings of jewish people. Well, I can see why you think this is a great idea, considering your sympathies for corrupted politicians and the support your beloved US gouvernment gives dictators around the globe. Fortunately the swedes are a bit smarter than you.

By allowing the German Army to pass through Sweden to attack Norway? Un huh. Switzerland managed better than this. For that matter, so did Italy. They rejected the German alliance and were occupied for it. They fought. What can you say about a country that makes Italy's war record look heroic?

In your eyes, I am certain that Italy's war record look heroic. First of all, Switzerland didn't have resources Germany needed, and Switzerland is surrounded by steep mountain chains, obvioulsy a lot easier to defend than the rather flat swedish countryside. The germans didn't bother to attack Switzerland, so what is your point? Being neutral isn't very difficult if you are never attacked or threatened...

You are the only person I have ever heard providing the information that Sweden was an allie to Germany. It is just nonsense.

Just to make some sort of relevance to the theme of this thread; in fact, Hitler approved of USA and its race policy, simply because of their clearly racistic views on black people at the time...

 

[R_Mujahed]

Aslamualikum Warahmatu ALLAH Wabarakatoh
BismALLAH Arhman Arheem

Dear Respected Brothers and Sisters when you are having a discussion with anyone, especially Kufar... I have a tip for you!

Use the Words of ALLAH... the Quran... We surely have enough arguments to shut down many of these Kafirs attacks! but ALLAH says it in a better way... and you would be satisfied...

And you never know... these Kafirs might become Muslim... and this gives them a chance to explore the Quran and the Sunnah... So when they ask a question answer with a verse(s) and the hadith, and say nothing more, no matter how tempting it is!

Hish there are many verses you can use to shut down these people, especially root... so I will start, I will answer one of roots question about the Hijab not being obligatory! and as much as I would like to answer all of their questions, I will give you the pleasure of starting off after me...haha......

Hey roots, your Hijab Question:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof (hands and face); that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. (Al-Noor:31)

Brothers and Sisters try it... you can go wrong!

Waslamualikum Warahmatu ALLAH Wabarakatoh

 

[HeiGou]

Hish there are many verses you can use to shut down these people, especially root... so I will start, I will answer one of roots question about the Hijab not being obligatory! and as much as I would like to answer all of their questions, I will give you the pleasure of starting off after me...haha......

Hey roots, your Hijab Question:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof (hands and face); that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. (Al-Noor:31)

Just out of curiousity, would you agree, as one of your Brothers has pointed out, that the words in brackets (must ordinarily) and (hands and face) do not actually appear in the Quran but have been added by the translator based on later scholarship?

 

[kadafi]

Just out of curiousity, would you agree, as one of your Brothers has pointed out, that the words in brackets (must ordinarily) and (hands and face) do not actually appear in the Quran but have been added by the translator based on later scholarship?

Obviously these parentheses serve as an explanatory note since many arabic words have no equivalences in the english language. Furthermore, parentheses are also added if a hadeeth explains the ayaah in detail.

 

[R_Mujahed]

Obviously these parentheses serve as an explanatory note since many arabic words have no equivalences in the english language. Furthermore, parentheses are also added if a hadeeth explains the ayaah in detail.

JazakaALLAHo Kol Khayr