The “Leader” of the free world!

[Sinner]

This puppet 'elected' government

This statement doesn't fit the facts. The election was completely open, except to former senior Baathist Saddam hacks. Other then that, any party, and individual who wanted to run, was allowed. More than 120 parties fielded candidates for the assembly. Each had to present a list of at least 12 candidates, and less than 276, according to the rules which were dawn up. A third of these had to be worman, so they would get some representation. Just because "only" 60 % of the population showed up does not negate the results. In America less then 50% of the population shows up for elections usually. In a free country, people are not forced to the polls. The government which the majority of Iraqis just elected is only an interim one. They will draft a Constitution which will be sent back to Iraqi public, where it must get a 2/3's of the vote for it to be passed. Once this is done, a new election will be conducted where the members of a new democratic Iraqi government will be selected. If anything, the next election should draw even more Iraqis to the polls. This will be in the first half of 2006.

 

[root]

A 'election' cannot be operated under apached helicopters and armed US marines, this is not a election.

I guess you prefer 1 candidate 1 vote of the Sadam ere eh!

 

[Sinner]

Not to add the so called freedom fighters, killing off all the Iraqi voters they possibly can.

 

[root]

Not to add the so called freedom fighters, killing off all the Iraqi voters they possibly can.

"Freedom fighters" bank roled by Syria, such fighters in Bosnia against the Muslims were called and quite rightly so "Militia", I think this is more applicable. Militia objective is to spread fear by ruthless violence, their is no if, but's or maybe.

 

[Sinner]

Still, without a strong American military presence, for now, the Iraq people will have no chance of a democratic state. Too many "Militia" are doing their best to set off a civil war and/or anarchy in the hopes that their dear leaders from Iran or Syria can impose their government on Iraq in exchange for peace. Just what the Middle East needs, another Iran or Syria ... sigh.....

 

[root]

That is exactley what the world needs, MORE irans and MORE syrias. To defy and rebel against the US. These freedom fighters that you critize did not cross the ocean and jump in america, and start attacking and invading. They are not running around the streets of washington and new york with ak-47s and RPG. They are defending their land against the invading forces. Think about it.

I had a freind who actually went to the training camp and run away from it too after he questioned what he was being taught, incidentally one of his other freinds was driving home one night in Pakistan on his motorcycle when he accidently crashed into a car, some people jumped out with weapons and by some big twist of fate he had actually crashed into a Politician's wife car ("They thought he was a suicide bomber")......... LOL, he reappeared several months later only with the intervention of "Contacts" who proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was just a straight forward accident, I beleive the US was also responsible for his release.

The problem with them I think is two fold, firstly in that participating in armed conflict's makes them "Militia" wether you want to accept this or not and as such are not bound by the Geneva Convention which makes them "Illegal Combatants", which only goes to futher complicate a FEBA (Forward Edge of Battle Area), without a recognizable dress to identify themselves only goes to create greater confusion in a soldiers ability to identify a fighter or a civilian to which British soldiers have been convicted of innocent killings. Don't get me wrong after experiencing at first hand the ruthlessness of a "Militia" force an unstated rule is "Show no quarter & give no quarter" With the Mujahid I do offer a certain ammount of "respect" for them but would question who were the invading forces when they fought in Bosnia, since I feel that Mujahid will fight where ever Muslims are perceived to be oppressed and this does not necessarily indicate against an invading force. Yet they have still not come to the aid of oppressed muslims by muslims. Militia forces are not terrorist forces this is true I beleive though some make no distinction at all.

As for Syria & Iran needing a higher population to fight, I think that is a ridiculous notion to state since surely it must be better for Syria & Iran to educate & look after their people better (A 14 year old boy being whipped to death in Iran for breaking his fast is not acceptable by most countries standards irrespective of what beleif you may have). Bodies on the battlefield is no longer a strength of the battlefield and I can't understand why you call for this while you live in England. (Though those who do call for such actions rarely do reside and act what they preach).

It is said that the UK is a multi-cultural society, and I think this is wrong. It is what our Government want us to beleive. A far more accurate perception is that the UK is turning into a Multi-cultural society, that has a long way to go yet. But I have a question for you out of interest. The British society is one of hardship and devotion to their country, and I think the Afghanistan issue of British Muslims going to fight against british forces is an act of treason. Would you fight against the british Forces as a British Subject...........

 

[kadafi]

A 14 year old boy being whipped to death in Iran for breaking his fast is not acceptable by most countries standards irrespective of what beleif you may have).

Peace
That story was fabricated and has been propagated by only one anti-Iran source who conceals their identity.

 

[root]

http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/001327.html

 

[kadafi]

http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/001327.html

Peace,

And I like I stated in my previous reply, it's a dubious source. The only source that mentions this fabricated story. Furthermore, examine the image carefully and see how it's outdated. Looks more like a image capture from an movie. And lastly, (despite the fact that the whole site is riddled with Anti-Iran messages), the source conceals it identity. Now why would a reputable source conceal its identify on the internet.

If one does a simply WHOIS, it reveals:

The registrant for www.iranpressnews.com is Domains by Proxy.

Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/

In other words, the owner wishes to keep his/her identity unknown.

But despite all these reasons that I stated, the fact that this propagandic site (iranpressnews) is the only site that reports it is enough evidence to reject it.

 

[Protected_Diamond]

You want to compare 'demoxcracy and islamic law root, okay, play it your way. I already explained the peace, harmony and good times whilst the talliban was in control, and i provided the statistics to help you out root, i kmnwo your a bit slow. Okay root, play with this. Saudi arabia has the islamic law, last year there was a total of 3 murders in saudi. In the US, a murder every 30 seconds! Islamic law, divine law, the khilafah system, is without a doubt superior to your 'democracy' in every way!!!

:bravo: :rock: :clever: :awesome:

 

[Christian_dove]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11709270/

Teacher in Colorado compared George W. Bush with Adolf Hitler. There are some remarkable similarities...

And remeber, NBC is "pro-Bush", as all of the american media is...

 

[i_m_tipu]

Re: The “Leader” of the free world!

LET ME PRESENT A STATISTIC

Statistic of Murder​

USA (FOLLOW NO 1 CIVILISED LAW) ............................................................SAUDIA (FOLLOW NO LAST CIVILISED LAW)

2 murder in 1 MN...............................................................................................0 murder in 1 MN

120 murder in 1 HOUR.............................................................................................0 murder in 1 HOUR

2880 murder in 1 DAY..............................................................................................0 murder in 1 DAY

86400 murder in 1 MONTH........................................................................................0 murder in 1 MONTH

345600 murder in 4 MONTH .................................................................................1 murder in 4 MONTH (CRIMINAL)

1036800 murder in 1 YEAR (IT'S NOTHING). ............................................................3 murder in 1 YEAR (THE CIVILISED WORLD MUST STOP THIS GENOSIDE)

 

[HeiGou]

Teacher in Colorado compared George W. Bush with Adolf Hitler. There are some remarkable similarities...

Oh really? How many Jews has Bush incinerated recently? How many women and children has he gased? Has he suspended the Constitution? Set up any Concentration Camps?

This is lame. It is worse than lame.

And remeber, NBC is "pro-Bush", as all of the american media is...

Rubbish. Fox is pro-Bush but the traditional media is viciously anti-Bush. Look at the Air Gaurd fuss.

 

[Cheb]

Oh really? How many Jews has Bush incinerated recently? How many women and children has he gased? Has he suspended the Constitution? Set up any Concentration Camps?

This is lame. It is worse than lame.

I really dont think it is lame at all. Bush killed his own people in 9/11 (say what you want this is my opinion), killed his own soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of money, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians in the wars that he and his administration created. I think the similarities are quite interesting indeed. The only difference is religion and country.

Rubbish. Fox is pro-Bush but the traditional media is viciously anti-Bush. Look at the Air Gaurd fuss.

I am sorry but you are truly blinded. Bush would be in prison now if not for the media being pro-Bush.
This is an article I found interesting:
http://tvnewslies.org/html/the_truth_about_george_w__bush.html

 

[HeiGou]

I really dont think it is lame at all. Bush killed his own people in 9/11 (say what you want this is my opinion),

I could say many things to that but I won't. The distinction here is that Hitler actually killed 6 million people. Bush has killed no one, not even on September 11. Seek medical help.

killed his own soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of money,

I fail to see what money Bush has got from either invasion. On the contrary it has cost the US plenty. Nor has Bush killed a single person. The insurgents have killed some soldiers, but not many.

killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians in the wars that he and his administration created.

Again Bush has killed no one. Nor have the Americans killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Perhaps tens of thousands. Perhaps.

I think the similarities are quite interesting indeed. The only difference is religion and country.

Then I feel sorry for you. Morality is the ability to tell real evil from mild evil and right from wrong.

I am sorry but you are truly blinded. Bush would be in prison now if not for the media being pro-Bush.

What could Bush go to jail for?

 

[HeiGou]

LET ME PRESENT A STATISTIC

Statistic of Murder

USA (FOLLOW NO 1 CIVILISED LAW)............................................................SAUDIA (FOLLOW NO LAST CIVILISED LAW)

2 murder in 1 MN...............................................................................................0 murder in 1 MN

120 murder in 1 HOUR.............................................................................................0 murder in 1 HOUR

2880 murder in 1 DAY..............................................................................................0 murder in 1 DAY

86400 murder in 1 MONTH........................................................................................0 murder in 1 MONTH

345600 murder in 4 MONTH .................................................................................1 murder in 4 MONTH (CRIMINAL)

1036800 murder in 1 YEAR (IT'S NOTHING). ............................................................3 murder in 1 YEAR (THE CIVILISED WORLD MUST STOP THIS GENOSIDE)

Uh Huh. And let me present a fact or two to complement this rant.

Crime Statistics for the United States in 2004.

Population 290,788,976
All Violent Crimes 1,367,009
Property Crimes 10,328,255
Murder 16,137
Forcible Rape 94,635
Robbery 401,326
Agg. Assault 854,911
Burglary 2,143,456
Larceny-Theft 6,947,685
Vehicle Theft 1,237,114

Saudi Arabia produced no statistics worth noting. It is likely that some crimes are less frequent. Theft for instance. But it is likely that some are more so. Rape and murder perhaps.

Who knows?

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Lol.... funny in a sad sort of way.

 

[Cheb]

I could say many things to that but I won't. The distinction here is that Hitler actually killed 6 million people. Bush has killed no one, not even on September 11. Seek medical help.

You really are blinded. I do not expect it to be different anyway. Bush and the media have done a good job in keeping the important questions unanswered. Many of the American people have the same views too. SEEK KNOWLEDGE!

I fail to see what money Bush has got from either invasion. On the contrary it has cost the US plenty. Nor has Bush killed a single person. The insurgents have killed some soldiers, but not many.

I did not expect this response at all. I thought you would be a little less bias than this! What about the TRILLIONS of dollars in Iraqi oil, what about the pipe-lines in Afghanistan... The war will cost the US nothing, it will only cost the Iraqi and Afghan people.

Again Bush has killed no one. Nor have the Americans killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Perhaps tens of thousands. Perhaps.

That is what you are told. It depends who you believe in this situation.

Then I feel sorry for you. Morality is the ability to tell real evil from mild evil and right from wrong.

And I can see that you dont have it.

What could Bush go to jail for?

Stealing candy from a child. What do you think?
You know what I think.

 

[Cheb]

LET ME PRESENT A STATISTIC

Statistic of Murder​

USA (FOLLOW NO 1 CIVILISED LAW) ............................................................SAUDIA (FOLLOW NO LAST CIVILISED LAW)

2 murder in 1 MN...............................................................................................0 murder in 1 MN

120 murder in 1 HOUR.............................................................................................0 murder in 1 HOUR

2880 murder in 1 DAY..............................................................................................0 murder in 1 DAY

86400 murder in 1 MONTH........................................................................................0 murder in 1 MONTH

345600 murder in 4 MONTH .................................................................................1 murder in 4 MONTH (CRIMINAL)

1036800 murder in 1 YEAR (IT'S NOTHING). ............................................................3 murder in 1 YEAR (THE CIVILISED WORLD MUST STOP THIS GENOSIDE)

Sorry brother but these statistics are definitely not true. They are way exaggerated and meant to confuse and misguide us rather than inform us.
Peace.

 

[HeiGou]

You really are blinded. I do not expect it to be different anyway. Bush and the media have done a good job in keeping the important questions unanswered. Many of the American people have the same views too. SEEK KNOWLEDGE!

I may be blinded, but it is more likely that, like the vast majority of the rest of the world's population, I am not. Would you even consider for a moment that in fact I am not wrong and you are?

What important questions have been unanswered?

I did not expect this response at all. I thought you would be a little less bias than this! What about the TRILLIONS of dollars in Iraqi oil, what about the pipe-lines in Afghanistan... The war will cost the US nothing, it will only cost the Iraqi and Afghan people.

The trillions of dollars of oil, if there are that much, belong to the Iraqi people. I do not see George Bush getting any of it. The Taleban was willing to build pipelines across Afghanistan, and even if they were not, so what? What is worth the cost of the war in Afghanistan? The War has cost the US a lot already and is costing more every day.

That is what you are told. It depends who you believe in this situation.

And who do you believe? Why do you want to believe something that is so absurd? Why is it you have chosen to believe something so insane? What has gone wrong in your life that you feel this is an appropriate response?