The Lord's Prayer

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Jesus, alaihi salaam, said to pray like this:

"our father, who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come
they will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
give us this day
our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those
who trespass against us
and deliver us from evil
for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever,
amen"

What is objectional to Muslims in this prayer and why, if we were told to pray it this way, is it not part of the things a Muslim says 5 times a day?:?
 
who said this prayer is objectionable? I find it more of a supplication than an actual prayer that we Muslims are accustomed to....some prayers are objectionable when you pray to jesus or mary or some saint... for obvious reasons.... When I went to catholic school they said this prayer every morning... I sat quietly in respect of their ritual... I didn't melt like the wicked witch of the east hehe
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
who said this prayer is objectionable? I find it more of a supplication than an actual prayer that we Muslims are accustomed to....some prayers are objectionable when you pray to jesus or mary or some saint... for obvious reasons.... When I went to catholic school they said this prayer every morning... I sat quietly in respect of their ritual... I didn't melt like the wicked witch of the east hehe
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I wasn't sure if it was or was not objectional. Just was curious if it was.

So basically, I would be able to say this in addition to the other prayers?
 
see in Islam you can make a supplication like the above...... you can add your own words or use supplications already out there.. or use a "sib7a" sort of like your rosary but without the cross.... but the actual prayer that we preform is very specific... the only equivlant I can think of is you, using actual passages from the bible... this is just a gist, we start we use "alfati7a" which is the first sura... followed by the short sura of your choice... then we praise and Allah in different kneeling... then we I am not sure the English word but basically a rough translation would be greetings to god and good prayers... peace be upon the prophetwith god's mercy and blessings... blessings and mercy upon us, we ask god to give "salwat" to moahmmed and his nations as he has given Abrahaem and his nations, as well as blessings... each portion of the prayer requires a different portion... I can try to find you a detailed English description if you are interested?.... but this is a very distilled and poorly translated idea of how we preform prayers
peace
 
Our prayer is more than just that. Like purest said, something like what u posted is considered a supplication. The 5 daily prayers is our direct connection to God. Not through anyone or anything. Simply direct.
 
Tayyaba said:
Our prayer is more than just that. Like purest said, something like what u posted is considered a supplication. The 5 daily prayers is our direct connection to God. Not through anyone or anything. Simply direct.
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Ok but how is the prayer above not a direct connection though?
 
Lol i didnt mean to say it wasnt. I said we would consider it a supplication. But the real deal is our 5 daily prayers. Both important.
 
doodlebug said:
Jesus, alaihi salaam, said to pray like this:

"our father, who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come
they will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
give us this day
our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those
who trespass against us
and deliver us from evil
for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever,
amen"

What is objectional to Muslims in this prayer and why, if we were told to pray it this way, is it not part of the things a Muslim says 5 times a day?:?
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[FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]Master of the Day of Judgment.
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]Show us the straight way,
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

(Surah Al-Fatihah, verses 1-7)

There's nothing objectionable, but we Muslims were given better way, Islamic way of praying to God, from the Message that was given to His Last Messenger, Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wassalaam, the Seal of the Prophets. The Muslims recite this Surah not 5 but 17 times a day.
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I find the concept of praying in a very prescribed way very alien and ritualistic. :?

I tend to pray to God in a much more informal way. In fact, the Lord's prayer is probably the most formal prayer I know.
To me a formal prayer is what you say when you can't think of anything else to say ... if that makes sense :?

I can understand that specific rituals focus your mind on God, and reduce the distractions of life - but I fail to understand how they can open your heart to God. :?
I imagine it to get really repetative and quite difficult not to drift off into closing your heart and just muttering the words ...

No offence, of course! (But you know that!) Just me, pondering ... :)

Peace.
 
Hi glo.


If you read refer back to the prayer Muslim Knight posted, if one was to look into the depth of its meaning - it makes one realise that by having a life that distracts a person from being spiritual, then returning back to your Creator (5times a day) and remembering His Majestic Qualities makes one feel more at ease and gives the person a feeling spiritual of enlightenment.


If one was just to pray for what he/she wanted - then the person may just feel like he/she is asking Allaah for something without actually reflecting on the Power and Greatness that Allaah Almighty has. So instead of just making it a one way connection - a person remember's Allaah Almighty, His Attributes - which further emphasises and encourages the person to make their supplication:



In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straight way,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

(Surah Al-Fatihah, verses 1-7)​


This is the recitation in arabic:

[media]http://quran.jalisi.com/001fatiha_01.mp3[/media]



There is a really important intention that we have in salaah/prayer - and that is to have khushoo' - khushoo' is concentration, and the person feels as if they are standing in front of Allaah, speaking to Him, and Praising Him. Like you can see - the blue text above is all the ways we are praising Him, Almighty. While we are praising Him, we are reflecting on His Attributes.

After we have praised Him, we recite Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. - so we are saying to Allaah that we worship You Alone, and You Alone we ask for help. This is leading upto our actual supplication which every muslim want's to stay firm on, and that is to stay on the right path: Show us the straight way, The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.



If one was to pray this in different times of the day, while removing all the worldly distractions from their mind - then it increases the person in faith each time they recite it because they are remembering Allaah Almighty and His Attributes,



Allaah Almighty says:


Therefore remember Me (by praying, glorifying, etc.). I will remember you, and be grateful to Me (for My countless Favours on you) and never be ungrateful to Me. (Qur'an Surah Baqarah [2] : 152)


"Those who believe (in the Oneness of God - Monotheism), and whose hearts find rest in the rememberance of Allah. Verily, in the rememberance of Allah do hearts find rest." (Quran Ar-Ra'd 13:28)​




It also increases the person in guidance and strengthens them in faith, because Allaah will respond to His servant's prayer, especially when the servant has humbled him/herself to Allaah.


A believer also knows that performing salaah is a noble act, and if one was to die in that state - they would be blessed, because every soul will be resurrected on the day of judgement in the way it died, hence if a person died in a state of humbleness towards their Creator - then they will be resurrected in a noble state insha'Allaah (God willing.)


After a person has performed salaah - then they can supplicate to Allaah in whatever language they wish, for whatever they wish - as long as it is not for something forbidden/haraam, or for breaking the ties of kinship etc.


Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
 
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Thanks, Fi_Sabillah!

I agree that we should always reflect on God's power, love and mercy.
I agree that we should pray to God in worship and praise.
I agree that the purpose of prayer is not just to ask for things for our own benefit.
I agree that in prayer we should humble ourselves before God.
I agree that God knows best.

Much to agree about - and yet we address God in prayer in very different ways.

Peace, bro. :)
 
Is there like a "how to so salaah for dummies" somewhere in existance? I know the movements but have no clue what to say.
 
glo said:
I find the concept of praying in a very prescribed way very alien and ritualistic. :?

I tend to pray to God in a much more informal way. In fact, the Lord's prayer is probably the most formal prayer I know.
To me a formal prayer is what you say when you can't think of anything else to say ... if that makes sense :?

I can understand that specific rituals focus your mind on God, and reduce the distractions of life - but I fail to understand how they can open your heart to God. :?
I imagine it to get really repetative and quite difficult not to drift off into closing your heart and just muttering the words ...

No offence, of course! (But you know that!) Just me, pondering ... :)

Peace.
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Peace

i get what you mean but muslims pray to Allah both *formally* and *informally*
ie the five daily prayers.
and a persons *dua* prayer to Allah. the dua can be asking from Allah, Praising Allah, and talking to Allah. this can be in your own words too
 
Hi doodlebug.


Obviously it takes time to practise, so you should take your time on that and gradually you will learn insha'Allaah. But it would be alot better if a person was to become a muslim and then learn how to perform the prayers, because your deeds wouldn't be accepted unless one was a muslim.


"The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19)​


In another verse Allaah Almighty says:

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost."(Qur'an 3:85)​


So if you were to become muslim, you would be rewarded for all your efforts, and your prayers etc.



Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Hi doodlebug.


Obviously it takes time to practise, so you should take your time on that and gradually you will learn insha'Allaah. But it would be alot better if a person was to become a muslim and then learn how to perform the prayers, because your deeds wouldn't be accepted unless one was a muslim.


"The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19)​


In another verse Allaah Almighty says:

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost."(Qur'an 3:85)​


So if you were to become muslim, you would be rewarded for all your efforts, and your prayers etc.



Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
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I know but my fear is that I will make my Shahadah and then not know what to do, so I was going to try to get it all down pat beforehand, lest I mess up royally.

:)
 
I think it's alot better if you were to become muslim and then learn how to do things gradually. Because like you know - a person can die at anytime, so by reciting the shahadah, you're a muslim insha'Allaah. And then the effort that you put in - you will be rewarded and blessed for that.

Allaah will make the path easier for you, because you chose the path towards your Creator, and because of your sincerety.



The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Allah the Almighty said:

I am as My servant thinks I am (1). I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.

(1) Another possible rendering of the Arabic is: "I am as My servant expects Me to be". The meaning is that forgiveness and acceptance of repentance by the Almighty is subject to His servant truly believing that He is forgiving and merciful. However, not to accompany such belief with right action would be to mock the Almighty. ​



You don't need to feel guilty if you don't know how to perform salaah etc, but with your sincerety and by the help of Allaah Almighty - you will learn gradually insha'Allaah. And that is way more blessed and royal, than knowing that islam is the truth and delaying it. I'm sure that your future husband would be more happier that way too insha'Allaah.



Allaah Almighty knows best, and if you have any questions - you can create a new thread or keep asking insha'Allaah (God willing.)


Peace.
 
thanks. i keep posting in here because when i post in the intro to islam section my posts take a day or so to show up. not that i'm a total "fast food" type girl but if something isn't addressed in a day then I kind of forget why i asked. :) I do that a lot. I go in the kitchen and stand in front of the fridge wondering why the heck i went there to begin with. lol
 

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