The Lord's Prayer

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Don't worry about it, i've experienced the same thing. If you have alot of thoughts in your head, why not keep a diary? That way - you'll be able to keep all your thoughts on paper and it will be alot easier to remember insha'Allaah (God willing.)



Anyway, Peace out and if you got anything to ask, please don't hesitate to.
 
I find the concept of praying in a very prescribed way very alien and ritualistic. :?

I tend to pray to God in a much more informal way. In fact, the Lord's prayer is probably the most formal prayer I know.
To me a formal prayer is what you say when you can't think of anything else to say ... if that makes sense :?

I can understand that specific rituals focus your mind on God, and reduce the distractions of life - but I fail to understand how they can open your heart to God. :?
I imagine it to get really repetative and quite difficult not to drift off into closing your heart and just muttering the words ...

No offence, of course! (But you know that!) Just me, pondering ... :)

Peace.
yup informal prayer is called supplication......... I find ritualistic prayer to have many benefits
1 - sustenance for the soul

- 2 - safeguards one's physical and emotional health... I posted a medical article on the health of the status of those who meditate and pray to those who don't and its affects on recovery and depression...

- 3 - It keeps away harmful thoughts away.

- 4 - It casts away hatred toward others and humbles oneself.

- 5 - It strengthens the heart.

- 6 - It brightens one's countenance.

- 7 - It delights the soul.

- 8 - It gets rid of laziness. I can't tell you how amazing that is in other aspects... you will never delay a project, if you always make prayers on time

- 9 - It makes the limbs active. and it is an excellent quick exercise

- 10 - It increases one's physical strength.

- 11 - It expands the chest (making one at ease and giving him insight).

- 12 - It is nourishment for the soul.

- 13 - It illuminates the heart.

- 14 - It safeguards your heart and mind.

- 15 - It repels catastrophes, time you can be spending cursing and being miserable, you spend reflecting.

- 16 - It brings on blessings. a close direct relationship between you and God

- 17 - It draws one close to Ar-Rahmaan (Allaah, the Most Merciful), for even if you are negligant in one... you have a chance to make it up in the next..
18- it makes you not treat God like a (genie) please grant me this and I'll be good sort of thing... no every day you spend praying so there is no hypocrisy when you are truly needy.... you can make supplication in the sijood part of your prayer... it is amazing... to kneel and cry and know that God is listening and merciful....... in and of itself prayer releases (seratonin) a chemical similar to that found in anti-depressants (SSRI's) minus the harmful side affects, as your body is making it naturally, and you are not forcing it out....
my two cents... and thank you for your time
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Thanks Ambrosia :)

I agree that most of these are benefits of prayer - although I would argue that this is not the case for ritualistic and formalised prayer alone ... :)

I also agree that prayer should be performed every day, because God deserves our praise and worship always and in all situations, not just when we feel in need of his help!

The more physical aspects puzzle me, though (see 9,10 and possibly 11)
Is the Islamic for of prayer seen as a physical exercise? Or meditative postures, similar to those in yoga? :?

Peace :)
 
No, no... those are my spins on it.... the benefits that might not be so obvious.... the point of prayer is to have constant open communication with God.... all the other features are just nice bonuses.... sort of like when you plant a tree because it looks lovely in your garden but end up enjoying its fruit as well as its cool shade, and its fragrant flowers, as well as having it protect you from nosy neighbors... just added benefits, that is all... :smile:
 
The more physical aspects puzzle me, though (see 9,10 and possibly 11)
Is the Islamic for of prayer seen as a physical exercise? Or meditative postures, similar to those in yoga? :?

Peace :)
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When we pray, we praise Allah (swt) with both our mouths and minds, and our bodies.

Speaking of prayer, isn't it time now?
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When we pray, we praise Allah (swt) with both our mouths and minds, and our bodies.

Speaking of prayer, isn't it time now?
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Better be off then. See you later. :)

I'm off for a curry now. :D
 
Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rhametulahi Wa Berekatu,

With regard to the first poster's question, first I would like to say, Hi and welcome, I have not seen you around before and I hope to gain knowledge from you, InshaAllah, God Willing.

Personally, the 'Lord's Prayer'

I would object using it, for the reason that it commences, 'Our Father' in Islam there is a Pricinple of Tawheed, it is like recognising the UNITY of Almighty God, and part of the Tawheed system, is a catagory named, 'Names and Attributes' and it encorperates that we, God's creation, should call to God with names he has ascribed to Himself, names He has told us and described Himself by, Such as Most Merciful, and so forth, I don't think 'Father' is one of those names in the Qu'ran And Sunnah, prophetic sayings, and because the Bible is not the same as when Jesus peace be upon him was there, and is not authenticated by HIM, we cannot say this is a name of God, thus we cannot, or rather I should say, Should Not, say Our Father, when refering to God, since He never, or His last Prophet never said it.

Quite Contrary God, tells us, 'Lam Yulid wa Lam Yulad' roughly translated as, He Begets not nor is he Begotten, for me to say God is our Father, in a spiritual type of way, would or may lead to people later thinking I meant maybe that God Begot us. That's another reason I would not say it.


With Regards to the Formal and Informal Prayers,

The Formal, are I believe also described as someething like a prevention or something, where a Muslim, maybe a weak one, or any normal human, who maybe wants to do something bad, for example commit fornication, if he knows he has to pray, he knows he has to wash after the fornication, so he may think, let me meet the girl early in the Morning, then he remembers he has Fajr prayer, and he cant wash and meet and then wash again to pray and so on, and then he thinks I will finish work or take my lunch break soon, let me meet the girl, then he realises at lunch he has another prayer and he cant have a bath at work, so he leaves it, and so on throught the day.

Before people scream at me and tell me, 'Oh muslim, or good people dont sleep around' I agree, but some who are weak and so forth find it hard, but through the formal prayer and keeping to it they are saved by this, Alhamdulilah, THAT IS A BENEFIT, NOT A REASON WHY WE DO IT.

The prayer is not formal neither, there are du'as in the prayer, supplications, where you can ask for anything, when the Muslim is in postration with his head to the ground this is the best time to supplicate and ask God for anything, different people have different desires so they can ask for different things from what I have read.

Also, a Muslim recites part of the Qu'ran, they can choose any part, (surah Fatiha has to be included) Big or Small, same or different, so it does vary, and they get another blessing, they not only are praying to their God, but also learning and revising their scripture in their prayer, for this reason Dr. Zakir Naik calls Salah, nor Prayer, but Programming!

But yes this prayer is constructed in a way which is or may seem repetative.

Also, Du'as/Supplications, as done by the Prophet peace be upon him, are with us, for almost any action you can think of, Alhamdulilah for that!

Plus you can ask for anything you want.


So in ISlam there is the """"Formal"""" and Informal, I guess thats what they are reffered to here.
 
I haven't seen you for ages, Isa!
Where have you been???

Welcome back! :)
 

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