The Lote-tree

[جوري]

will do, inshallah sis.
but as far as i can tell, its more or less simialr to tafseer ibn katheer. inshallah i'll post it up anyways...

thank you my dear sister.. if it is the same as what I have then don't bother.. I'll look it at my own leisure.. I am fast becoming obsessed with thornbox (shajarat alghardaq) since that last article...

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

lol. oh. i just finished typing it out.

 

[جوري]

Jazaki Allah ukhty I didn't want to inconvenience you, but if you have typed it, I am sure we'd all enjoy it insha'Allah

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

ولقد رءاه نزلة أخرى يعي رأى جرريل في صورته التي خلق عليه نازلا من السماء نزلة أخرىز وذلك أنه رآه في صورته مرتين مرة في الأرض ومر في السماء.
عند سدرة المنتهى: وعلى قول ابن عباس معنى: (نزلة أخرى) هو أنه كانت للنبي :arabic5:عرجات في تلك اليلة لمسألته التخفيف من أعداد الصاوات فيكون لكم عرجة نزلة فرأى ربه في بعضها والسدة شجرة النبق وقيل لها: سدرة المنتهى لأنه اليها ينتهي علم الخلق.
عند سدها جنة المأوى :قال عطأعن ابن عباس: جنة المأوى جنة يأوي اليها جبريل والملائكة. وقال مقاتل والكلبي تأوي اليها أرواح الشهداء.
اذ يغشى السدرةما يغشى: قال ابن مسعود: فراش من ذهب وقال مقاتل: تغشاها الملاءكة وقال السدي: من الطيور ومن الحسن قال: غشيها نور رب العزة فاستنارتز

that was taken from tafseer al-baghawi. surat an-Najm 13-16

 

[جوري]

very nice Jazaki Allah khyran..

I don't think we'd ever be able to penetrate those seven layers of heaven even to go as far as the tree at least not with anything man made.. even though we've traversed the moon which is closest to us, but, beyond that we wouldn't even be speaking of the speed of light, but something much faster than that, at that stage, I mean even if there is proper technology, people's physical structure and components would lose cohesion under such speed.. I don't think we will ever come up with the technology to travel that far a distance without disintegrating....

There is more on this topic that we can go into.. as in '3awameed in the sama' unseen columns.. have you ever heard of that? that is why space crafts like 'challenger' exploded in a hurry with high speed impact with one of those.. what do you think about that?
They'd have to pass it off as something else though, since they simply have no way of registering on Radar or whatever these invisible columns..

Sob7an Allah.. we are a long way off even with all our science and technology..

let me know your feedback.. I am no scholar but when I read, I just really want to share it with other people and get their feedback... see what they too think of it

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

'3awameed in the sama' unseen columns.. have you ever heard of that?

nah sis, i havn't. did i miss something in the previous tafseers. can you elobrate on this.

 

[جوري]

nah sis, i havn't. did i miss something in the previous tafseers. can you elobrate on this.

you haven't missed anything dear sis. I branched off to a different topic all together on the difficulties of reaching other than the lowest heavens using the science in the Quran..
for instance the verse وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
where Allah clearely describes how our universe is expanding using the word لَمُوسِعُونَ to which there is no disputaton amongst Arabic speakers, but all the kaffirs look for alternate meaning to deny that God forbid the Quran came to them with something that was only discovered in physics as of late..
like wise though I can't find the verse at the moment which speaks of the sky being held together by 'columns/pillars' we have no radar or scientific means to measure or look for that now, so they will deem it orphic quakery, until some physicist measures it by some means, then when Muslims state this was in the Quran all along, they'll scream no, you are looking to make your book fit science.. when in fact it has always been one step ahead.. hence its wonders never cease...
My main point is, though, the tree of lote is the fartherest anyone will be allowed to see, I don't believe we've means of getting there.. because of several reasons.. one I don't think 'matter' can withstand traveling at that speed without disintegrating, and that speed is faster than that of light. Two, even if someone does, they won't come back in time to tell anyone about it considering the time span by our earthly measures, and finally there are things in the heaven itself, that if we are able through science to measure like the pillars holding the heavens, one might simply crash his spacecraft into one of them lol.. the bottom line is though man kind is arrogant.. he is given so little knowledge.. and instead of being rendered humble by how much he doesn't know, he becomes more arrogant.. more kaffir, more taghi, in spite of so much evidence that none of this (seen or unseen) could be the result of anything, than badee3 as'samawat wal'ard!

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
where Allah clearely describes how our universe is expanding using the wordلَمُوسِعُونَ

wow!! how wrong i am! the way i understood وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ was that allah created the sky as something wide, and it had remained like that. not that it was still expanding.
ٍٍٍSpeaking of the sky, refering to the ayah و الى السماء كيف رفعت (al-Gaashiyah, 18). does this mean that the sky was 'fallen' (sorry, couldn't think of the right word). in other words, why would it have been raised, if it wasn't already 'fallen' get my drift. is there any textual evidence to support this.

back on topic:

My main point is, though, the tree of lote is the fartherest anyone will be allowed to see, I don't believe we've means of getting there.. because of several reasons.. one I don't think 'matter' can withstand traveling at that speed without disintegrating, and that speed is faster than that of light. Two, even if someone does, they won't come back in time to tell anyone about it considering the time span by our earthly measures, and finally there are things in the heaven itself, that if we are able through science to measure like the pillars holding the heavens, one might simply crash his spacecraft into one of them lol..

im with you now...lol...:hiding:

the bottom line is though man kind is arrogant.. he is given so little knowledge.. and instead of being rendered humble by how much he doesn't know, he becomes more arrogant.. more kaffir, more taghi, in spite of so much evidence that none of this (seen or unseen) could be the result of anything, than badee3 as'samawat wal'ard!

very true, and well said. :thumbs_up

 

[جوري]

wow!! how wrong i am! the way i understood وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ was that allah created the sky as something wide, and it had remained like that. not that it was still expanding.

when you say to someone wassa'a3 with a shdda on those that S (Arabic wide), it is a command to expand out or spread out, as opposed to just wasa3a which is wide or free space, but when Allah adds 'la' to 'mawso3oon' it denotes a constant process, and that is what modern theories of physics state of our universe that it is expanding.

ٍٍٍSpeaking of the sky, refering to the ayah و الى السماء كيف رفعت (al-Gaashiyah, 18). does this mean that the sky was 'fallen' (sorry, couldn't think of the right word). in other words, why would it have been raised, if it wasn't already 'fallen' get my drift. is there any textual evidence to support this.

back on topic:

im with you now...lol...:hiding:

I believe it simply means, that the creation of the heavens is more difficult that that of say human beings, and that a great process went into making the sky be raised from this earth, as denoted in these ayas

أَأَنتُمْ أَشَدُّ خَلْقًا أَمِ السَّمَاء بَنَاهَا {27}
[Pickthal 79:27] Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?

رَفَعَ سَمْكَهَا فَسَوَّاهَا {28}
[Pickthal 79:28] He raised the height thereof and ordered it;

وَأَغْطَشَ لَيْلَهَا وَأَخْرَجَ ضُحَاهَا {29}
[Pickthal 79:29] And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.

We don't really know what went into the creation of heaven, but that it was raised and there is a verse I will look for later on today if I get the time, about the columns or pillars holding it up. Just like in the earth its mountains are pegs, there surely is something holding the sky from collapsing on us. Or even the planets.. as Allah taken an oath by them in suret al waqi3a, which is a topic I had started here a while ago. if anyone of the planets strays from its assigned course we'd be all doomed. I have to believe it is a constant process of maintenance just like urea cycle is a constant process in the human body, and if it strays off course there would be some calamitous consequence.

very true, and well said. :thumbs_up

Jazaki Allah khyran ukhty, wish we had some scholars on board so we wouldn't be left to our own devices or understanding of verses.. but then I feel if someone was really worthy of explaining the Quran in full it would have been prophet Mohammed PBUH.. I think there is wisdom in that, which is, the Quran (lan tanqati3 3aja'ebeh' which is to denote its transcendence beyond the limits of material experience and beyond just one generation?

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

when you say to someone wassa'a3 with a shdda on those that S (Arabic wide), it is a command to expand out or spread out, as opposed to just wasa3a which is wide or free space, but when Allah adds 'la' to 'mawso3oon' it denotes a constant process, and that is what modern theories of physics state of our universe that it is expanding.

ahh...the miracle of arabic will never cease to amaze me. jazakallahu khair for the explanation.

Jazaki Allah khyran ukhty, wish we had some scholars on board so we wouldn't be left to our own devices or understanding of verses.

definatley with you on that one. have you heard of the show lamasaat bayaaniyah, that comes on sharjah tv?

 

[جوري]

ahh...the miracle of arabic will never cease to amaze me. jazakallahu khair for the explanation.


definatley with you on that one. have you heard of the show lamasaat bayaaniyah, that comes on sharjah tv?

you humble me dear sis.. I have never heard of that program no, do you have an excerpt..I reallyenjoy learning, but don't have the time to squeeze in everything..:hmm:

Jazaki Allah khyran

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

no i dont. i would post, but the best thing i can do is tape on VCR. i cant figure out a way to get it on comp. imsad

 

[جوري]

lol don't worry about it.. I am sure it is bound to show up on youtube sooner or later.. then we can swipe it...

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

lol. yeah, i just tried that. im wondering though if there is anyway to connect the comp to the tv. sounds a little far fecthed, huh?

 

[جوري]

Nah, I am sure the Japanese have it out two yrs ago lol..
you should check their latest cars.. you can have a robot buddy in the navigator seat to read your facial expressions and cheer you up.. Man I love Japan..

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Nah, I am sure the Japanese have it out two yrs ago lol..
you should check their latest cars.. you can have a robot buddy in the navigator seat to read your facial expressions and cheer you up.. Man I love Japan..

lol...yeah, probs. may allah grant you jannah dear....
wa laa yahemmik (about the dua)kay: