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What would you say if someone said I am the Maahdi?


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Wow , well i just heard an new lecture of Yasir Qadhi About the Mahdi and it was quite interesting.

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I wouldn't believe it if someone said they are the Mahdi as a quality of his would be that he will try and hide when people approach him and in that case I doubt he'd try and tell people it was him.
 
Imam Mehdi, Dajjal, Easa (as), Yajooj Majooj


Anyone heard of ohar Shahi< Hes claiming he's the messiah, imam mehdi.. google his name
 
I think your poll question should have rather read. If 'yes' then explain why--
I have my doubts it was Muslims at all who voted with a yes...

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Yes excellent suggestion but i cant now. Anyway Who did click yes? One was a default one the other 3?
 
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General knowledge test.
If someone said that "I am the Maahdi" And his name and everything matched except one thing. What would it be and will you believe him?

:wasalamex,

If by that you mean he does not fulfill all the signs, especially the 3 major signs ( 1) Army being swallowed up by the earth, 2) Black banner army from the east, 3) People giving him allegiance near the Kabaah between Rukn Ibrahim and the blackstone (I think its between these 2 points)) then no I would not accept him as the Mahdi.

If these 3 major signs of the Mahdi are fulfilled and people claim the mahdi is here and point him out, and his name is Muhammad like the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) and his father's name is Abdullah etc., then I would accept him as the Mahdi.

All of the above is from Sunnah btw (yeah I did a lot of research on him because I believe he will come some time soon inshaAllah :o, Allahu A'lam).

Wassalam.
 
the dajjal is gonna be earlier than the Mahdi isnt it?

No, this is the correct order:

Hmm, I think its Mahdi, then dajjal - then Isa (as).

That is because Mahdi will come and then the Dajjal will come during the time of the Mahdi (about 7 years after Mahdi emerges) and when 'Isa (AS) descends he will come kill the dajjal and take over as leader at one point, maybe straight after he comes or after Mahdi dies, I cant remember/don't know exactly atm.

Wassalam.
 
There is no clear-cut proof on who will come first is there? As far as I know 'who comes first' is based on scholars' opinions and interpretations of ahadeeth- to do with the sequence of events etc

This is mutashabih stuff

wAllahu a3lam
 
:salamext:,

There is no clear-cut proof on who will come first is there? As far as I know 'who comes first' is based on scholars' opinions and interpretations of ahadeeth- to do with the sequence of events etc

This is mutashabih stuff

wAllahu a3lam

Actually these Sahih hadith that brother Abu Sayyad quoted are enough to show the order that they come:

Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘‘Eesaa ibn Maryam will descend, and their leader [the Mahdi] will say, "Come and lead us in prayer," but he will say, "No, one of them should lead them as an honour to this ummah from Allaah."’" The version narrated by Muslim says: "… Then ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him) will descend and their leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in prayer,’ but he will say, ‘No, some of you are leaders over others as an honour from Allaah to this ummah.’" (Reported by Muslim, 225)

http://www.islamicboard.com/480344-post36.html

It can be seen there that 'Isa (AS) will come after Mahdi and Dajjal, since we know from the ahadith that 'Isa (AS) will kill the Dajjal using the spear after he descends. I've heard scholars say that Mahdi will come before the Dajjal, but Allahu A'lam about that.

Wassalam.
 
When are they going to come any scientific prediction?
 
When are they going to come any scientific prediction?

:salamext:,

Not scientific, but even better, we have a hadith. Well there's a hadith that says that the Mahdi will come in the 1430 decade (next year) so that's any time within 1430-1440, which is 2009-2019 in AD years. Though it is not known how authentic this hadith is according to Muhaddithin, it also predicted the world wars and Hitler and the fall of Sadam and those parts have proven to be true. It's in a book in one of Islam's major libraries in Turkey.

For more details, check here:

Here's the full hadith:

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah(?):

"The war of the end of time is the war of the world. There will be a third war after two great wars in which many are killed. He who will light the fires of the second world war will be known as the 'Great Leader'. 1300 years after the Hijra, count a few decades. At that time, the Greek King wants to wage a war against the entire world. Meanwhile, Allah commands the war for that man. A short while later, that is, in two decades, a man whose name is associated with a cat name from the German lands, appears as a scourge on the Romans. He starts to bother people and wants to hold control over the world. He wages war against the entire world, both the warm and cold lands. After years filled with severe war fires, he meets Allah's punishment. Then, he is killed as the Russian's mystery. Count five or six or seven or eight decades after 1300 of Hijra. At that time, a man called "Nasser" rules Egypt. Arabs call him "succa-ul Arab", the "brave of the Arabs." Allah despises him twice, once in a war, and then in another one. That "Nasser" can never attain victory. Upon this, Allah, the Lord of the House, makes a dark-colored person, whose father is more enlightened than himself, the leader of the Egyptian people and the Arab nation. But, he makes an agreement with the thieves of the Masjid al-Aqsa. Then a cruel man appears in Iraq, which is located in the Damascus region. This man, with a slight injury in his eye, is a Sufyaani. His name comes from confrontation (Saddam), and he is confrontational against his opponents. All the world gathers for him in small Kut, the region to which he came previously because he was deceived. There is no good in that Sufyaani except with Islam and he is both good and bad.....and woe to he who betrays the trustworthy Mahdi. Count two or three decades after the year/decade of Hijri 1400. At that time, the Mahdi emerges. He fights the whole world and both the ones who have gone astray (Christians) and the ones who have earned Allah's anger (Jews) join against him with the hypocrites in the land of Isra and Miraj at Mount Megiddo. And there comes out against him the Queen of the world and deception, an adulteress called (America), who incites the world to deviation and infidelity...and the Jews of the world at that time would have the upper hand , ruling Quds and the holy city. And all nations come to fight by sea and air except those in the land of extreme cold and the land of extreme heat. And the Mahdi sees that all the world does plot against him, but he also sees that Allah's plan is stronger than all, and he sees that the World belongs to Allah and to Him it will return, and that the World is but a tree that Allah wills him to rule from its roots to its branches.......and Allah throws down on them (unbelievers) with a disastrous punishment, burning their lands and seas and skies. And the sky rains down a harmful shower, with the people of the Earth cursing the infidels, and Allah wills the defeat of the unbelievers."

(Asmal Masalik Lieyyam Mahdiyy Maliki Li Kull-id Dunya Biemrillah-il Malik ("The Best ways to know the time of the Mahdi, King of the World, by Allah's command"), Qalda bin Zayd, p. 216)

Wassalam.
 
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^ I honestly don't think that's a hadeeth because of the way the sentences are phrased, i.e. it's odd. The Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) spoke differently, if you know what I mean. He was concise in his speech, while what he (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) said carried a vast amount of meaning.

Secondly, if that were an actual hadeeth it would be literally widespread. Therefore, we need to make sure that the information we get is actually sound and we shouldn't accept it just because it sounds good or plausible. Remember that we are commanded by Allaah to verify information.

Thirdly, the following parts personally give me certainty that this is not the speech of the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam):

  • 1300 years after the Hijra, count a few decades.
  • a man whose name is associated with a cat name from the German lands (Was Germany even around 1400 years ago?!)
  • Then, he is killed as the Russian's mystery. (Was Russia even a country back then?!)
  • Count two or three decades after the year/decade of Hijri 1400. At that time, the Mahdi emerges. (Authentic hadeeth indicate that there will be some form of Islamic governorship before the Mahdi emerges - there is none as of today. Plus there are still some minor signs that have yet to occur, and don't forget that the Mahdi himself is a minor sign not a major sign.)
  • . And there comes out against him the Queen of the world and deception, an adulteress called (America), who incites the world to deviation and infidelity (Has the author confused America w/ the Dajjal?)
  • And the Mahdi sees that all the world does plot against him, but he also sees that Allah's plan is stronger than all, and he sees that the World belongs to Allah and to Him it will return, and that the World is but a tree that Allah wills him to rule from its roots to its branches.......and Allah throws down on them (unbelievers) with a disastrous punishment, burning their lands and seas and skies. And the sky rains down a harmful shower, with the people of the Earth cursing the infidels, and Allah wills the defeat of the unbelievers. (Actually, the authentic hadeeth show that after the Mahdi appears the Dajjal will come. Isa a.s. will descend. Dajjal will be slayn by Isa a.s.. Then there will be peace upon Earth the like that has never been seen. Then the other remaining major signs will happen in very fast succession, like pearls falling from a broken thread.)
Lastly, it is of utmost importance that we make absolutely sure about the level of authenticity of a hadeeth before we narrate it, lest we be among those about whom the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) said: "Whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then (surely) let him occupy, his seat in Hell-fire." (as narrated in al-Bukhari).

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Ps- I've removed the link from your post because of the doubtful authenticity of the website.
 
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^ I honestly don't think that's a hadeeth because of the way the sentences are phrased, i.e. it's odd. The Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) spoke differently, if you know what I mean. He was concise in his speech, while what he (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) said carried a vast amount of meaning.

Secondly, if that were an actual hadeeth it would be literally widespread. Therefore, we need to make sure that the information we get is actually sound and we shouldn't accept it just because it sounds good or plausible. Remember that we are commanded by Allaah to verify information.

Thirdly, the following parts personally give me certainty that this is not the speech of the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam):

  • 1300 years after the Hijra, count a few decades.
  • a man whose name is associated with a cat name from the German lands (Was Germany even around 1400 years ago?!)
  • Then, he is killed as the Russian's mystery. (Was Russia even a country back then?!)
  • Count two or three decades after the year/decade of Hijri 1400. At that time, the Mahdi emerges. (Authentic hadeeth indicate that there will be some form of Islamic governorship before the Mahdi emerges - there is none as of today. Plus there are still some minor signs that have yet to occur, and don't forget that the Mahdi himself is a minor sign not a major sign.)
  • . And there comes out against him the Queen of the world and deception, an adulteress called (America), who incites the world to deviation and infidelity (Has the author confused America w/ the Dajjal?)
  • And the Mahdi sees that all the world does plot against him, but he also sees that Allah's plan is stronger than all, and he sees that the World belongs to Allah and to Him it will return, and that the World is but a tree that Allah wills him to rule from its roots to its branches.......and Allah throws down on them (unbelievers) with a disastrous punishment, burning their lands and seas and skies. And the sky rains down a harmful shower, with the people of the Earth cursing the infidels, and Allah wills the defeat of the unbelievers. (Actually, the authentic hadeeth show that after the Mahdi appears the Dajjal will come. Isa a.s. will descend. Dajjal will be slayn by Isa a.s.. Then there will be peace upon Earth the like that has never been seen. Then the other remaining major signs will happen in very fast succession, like pearls falling from a broken thread.)
Lastly, it is of utmost importance that we make absolutely sure about the level of authenticity of a hadeeth before we narrate it, lest we be among those about whom the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) said: "Whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then (surely) let him occupy, his seat in Hell-fire." (as narrated in al-Bukhari).

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Ps- I've removed the link from your post because of the doubtful authenticity of the website.

:wasalamex,

Bro, I did mention the fact that the authenticity of the hadith is not known, take it or leave it. Also the name of the book from where the hadith is taken is mentioned and I have given the reference that it's from the library in Turkey. Harun Yahya also used this same hadith in his recent work about Mahdi and 'Isa (AS) coming etc. Though I am not saying he is much of an authority, but basically it is known by people/Muslims who research into it.

Secondly, I agree the TRANSLATION is a bit odd, I think the person changed it around to mean those though the Arabic itself would have been more obscure when referring to Germany etc., as in they would have different names, or the Prophet (Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) did mention the names as we know Allah gave him the most knowledge out of everyone on this earth, so why wouldn't he know what would happen in the future?! It is even mentioned in a hadith the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) gathered the Sahabah (RA) and told them all that happened before and all that is to happen until the Last Hour. I also linked the site which you removed akhi without even mentioning the fact you did that!! Making my post look silly :(. Allahu A'lam.

And

1) Majority of scholars say there is no need for a khilafah as a condition for the Mahdi to emerge, though it could be in place before he comes.
2) No, America is correct, it is referred to as the Queen of the world and deception (the land of America). Dajjal would be refered to King of deception if that is what you were trying to imply.
3) Yes I know that hadith, however Mahdi will still rule after 'Isa (AS) comes until Mahdi passes away, then 'Isa (AS) will rule or he will rule some time after he comes. Allahu A'lam. And there is no mention in that hadith that 'Isa (AS) will not come, but the part where the "..." is a part that is missing since from the book since it is really old.

I would also point out that scholars like Shaykh Anwar Al Awlaki and others are saying all the signs point to the coming of the Mahdi soon. And if you read upon the hadith, it makes sense, and one of the main signs before the coming of the mahdi is that they will attack Syria (after Iraq), which they have already started though a full blown attack has not begun yet.

Wassalam.
 
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:wasalamex,

Bro, I did mention the fact that the authenticity of the hadith is not known, take it or leave it.

:wasalamex dear bro,

If the authenticity isn't known, then it simply should not be narrated because of the harms that can come from narrating doubtful material, especially when it is being referred back to the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam).

Also the name of the book from where the hadith is taken is mentioned and I have given the reference that it's from the library in Turkey. Harun Yahya also used this same hadith in his recent work about Mahdi and 'Isa (AS) coming etc. Though I am not saying he is much of an authority, but basically it is known by people/Muslims who research into it.
The book as a reference doesn't really matter, what matters is the isnaad of the hadeeth and what scholars of hadeeth have said about the isnaad.

Secondly, I agree the TRANSLATION is a bit odd, I think the person changed it around to mean those though the Arabic itself would have been more obscure when referring to Germany etc., as in they would have different names, or the Prophet (Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) did mention the names as we know Allah gave him the most knowledge out of everyone on this earth, so why wouldn't he know what would happen in the future?!
Then the harms of narrating this 'hadith' are even greater because not only does the wording seem to be twisted, it possibly contains interpretation by an unqualified individual!

It is even mentioned in a hadith the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) gathered the Sahabah (RA) and told them all that happened before and all that is to happen until the Last Hour.
Yes, but I don't think there is any one hadeeth that contains everything that he said together.

1) Majority of scholars say there is no need for a khilafah as a condition for the Mahdi to emerge, though it could be in place before he comes.
I've heard otherwise. Can you provide me some references so I can research further?

2) No, America is correct, it is referred to as the Queen of the world and deception (the land of America). Dajjal would be refered to King of deception if that is what you were trying to imply.
Who has referred to America as such? Which authentic ahadeeth state this? And for the sake of discussion, lets say it does appear in the sahih traditions, which scholar has interpreted 'Queen of the World and Deception' to actually mean America?

I would also point out that scholars like Shaykh Anwar Al Awlaki and others are saying all the signs point to the coming of the Mahdi soon. And if you read upon the hadith, it makes sense, and one of the main signs before the coming of the mahdi is that they will attack Syria (after Iraq), which they have already started though a full blown attack has not begun yet.

Wassalam.
The signs do seem to indicate that his coming may be relatively close, however the times before the Mahdi will be much much worse than our times. There will be a lot more oppression, injustice, and killing around the world. It reminds me of what a Shaykh once said in a lecture, he said that the times before the coming of the Mahdi will very evil times and we shouldn't wish for those kinds of times because of how great the fitnah will be then. The Mahdi has to come and he will come, but let us focus now on what we can do better the society and people around us, rather than sitting back and waiting for an individual because Islaam is not dependant upon personalities, it will remain regardless whether the Mahdi comes tommorow or 200 hundred years from today.

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If he fullfills the signs, then yes, otherwise No.

I really do recommend everyone listen to the Hereafter series by Imam Anwar al Awlaki. He goes in great detail about everything relating to the subject of death and the hereafter as well..as the signs of the hour. I can't recommend it enough. Its fantastic.
 
:wasalamex dear bro,

If the authenticity isn't known, then it simply should not be narrated because of the harms that can come from narrating doubtful material, especially when it is being referred back to the Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam).

The book as a reference doesn't really matter, what matters is the isnaad of the hadeeth and what scholars of hadeeth have said about the isnaad.

:salamext:,

LoL OK akhi let's just leave the hadith :p, I just thought I'll post it because the brother was asking for some info on his (The Mahdi's) possible arrival.

Then the harms of narrating this 'hadith' are even greater because not only does the wording seem to be twisted, it possibly contains interpretation by an unqualified individual!

Ummm, you're right but I guess I wasn't clear :o, forget what I said! I mean the hadith has been translated as best as the person could do it.

Yes, but I don't think there is any one hadeeth that contains everything that he said together.

Well you know Allahu A'lam about that. Do you know why? Because we know that Abu Hurairah (RA) had a great memory, one of the best, and in a hadith he mentioned the fact that he has 2 types of knowledge taught to him by the Rasool (Sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) and if he were to tell us one of them, we would basically cut his head off (or something like that).

I mean this hadith: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 121:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah's Apostle. I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my throat would be cut (i.e. killed).”

I think maybe near the end of his life he transmitted such ahadith, including the prediction of the bad ruler during his time, he used to make dua to die before this ruler came into power.

I've heard otherwise. Can you provide me some references so I can research further?

Yes, Yasir Qadhi mentioned this in his talk on the Mahdi, posted above by bro Guven. Also, maybe listen to the talk by Shaykh Anwar Al Awlaki "Allah is Preparing us for Victory".

Who has referred to America as such? Which authentic ahadeeth state this? And for the sake of discussion, lets say it does appear in the sahih traditions, which scholar has interpreted 'Queen of the World and Deception' to actually mean America?

It's pretty obvious it is America, who is the world power right now? Also we have the hadith about there being 5 phases of rulership, this one:

5 Phases of Muslim Rule

Hudhayfah son of Al-Yaman reported that the Messenger of Allah sallalluhu 'alayhi wa sallam said,
"Prophethood (meaning himself) will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up whenever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, he will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of oppressive (The reign of Muslim kings who are partially unjust) rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood." Then Hudhayfah said, "The Prophet stopped speaking."
(As-Sililah As Sahihah, vol. 1, no. 5. The same hadith without any change of a word is also narrated by Hadrat Nauman Ibn-e-Basheer Radiyallaho Anhu in Musnad-e-Ahmad Ibn-e-Hanbal.)
Note: The 5th phase of Muslim rule, the Caliphate that follows the tyrannical rule, refers to the Mahdi. This is established by the fact that that other hadeeths, which we shall later see, state that the Mahdi would fill the Earth with equity and justice, as it was once filled with tyranny, oppression, and injustice. The rule of "tyranny, oppression, and injustice" is consistent with the 4th phase of "tyrannical rule", mentioned in this hadeeth.

The Prophet declared:

"This affair began with Prophethood and as a mercy; then it will be mercy and Caliphate; afterwards it will change into a cruel monarchy, and finally into an iniquity and tyranny." He also prophesied: "Surely, the Caliphate after me will last thirty years; afterwards it will be a cruel monarchy."
(Abu Dawud, At‘ıma, 11; Tirmidhi, At‘ıma, 39; I. Hanbal, 5.441.)

From the site I linked before: http://www.geocities.com/muslimapocalyptic/WebProphecies.htm#4%20Phases%20of%20Muslim%20Rule

Right now we're in the phase of tyranny, the fourth phase, so the coming of the Mahdi is close at hand inshaAllah, and we can see that America is the world power atm, and is running the show. Allahu A'lam.

The signs do seem to indicate that his coming may be relatively close, however the times before the Mahdi will be much much worse than our times. There will be a lot more oppression, injustice, and killing around the world. It reminds me of what a Shaykh once said in a lecture, he said that the times before the coming of the Mahdi will very evil times and we shouldn't wish for those kinds of times because of how great the fitnah will be then. The Mahdi has to come and he will come, but let us focus now on what we can do better the society and people around us, rather than sitting back and waiting for an individual because Islaam is not dependant upon personalities, it will remain regardless whether the Mahdi comes tommorow or 200 hundred years from today.

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We all agree here bro (at doing your best for Islam no matter what), however it's good to know the signs and prepare yourself physically, mentally and spiritually if possible, while living your day-to-day life normally. You also forget that the Dajjal will come during the time of the Mahdi, so it could be that he will rule a few years after the Dajjal and restore peace to the world before 'Isa (RA) takes over as leader (which I think most likely will happen after the Mahdi dies). This is mainly to show that 'Isa will come as a follower of Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam), hence why he is taking a descendant of the Prophet (Sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) as a leader, so as to ensure no one will get confused that he is coming with a new message.

Also we do not need times of great strife for the Mahdi to come, this is wrong and I would tell you to seek more knowledge on the Mahdi before saying such things bro, because the scholars have said only 3 major signs need to be fulfilled for the Mahdi to be here, and I have stated that in one of my above posts.

And Allah knows best.

Wassalam.
 
^ I honestly don't think that's a hadeeth because of the way the sentences are phrased, i.e. it's odd. The Messenger (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) spoke differently, if you know what I mean. He was concise in his speech, while what he (salalahu alayhi wa sallam) said carried a vast amount of meaning.

I'd just like to point out, that it's not really a "hadith", since as far as I know, it isn't directly quoted from the Prophet. The information was obtained from the Prophet, but what you're reading is translation of a narration from Abu Hurayrah.
 
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General knowledge test.
If someone said that "I am the Maahdi" And his name and everything matched except one thing. What would it be and will you believe him?
I wouldnt beleve him because I'm not sure.

I found many people who call himself (or even herself) "Maahdi", but they have no 'Maahdi signs'.
And I found in other place, an ameer/mufti of mujahideen in (secret), who has 'Maahdi signs' according to sunni version, but if someone say he is Maahdi, he becomes angry !.
 
I wouldnt beleve him because I'm not sure.

I found many people who call himself (or even herself) "Maahdi", but they have no 'Maahdi signs'.
And I found in other place, an ameer/mufti of mujahideen in (secret), who has 'Maahdi signs' according to sunni version, but if someone say he is Maahdi, he becomes angry !.

One of the important characteristics of the Mahdi, is that he fills the earth with equity and justice, when it would be filled with tyranny, oppression and injustice. This is in fact his primary purpose, and the one consistent description of him throughout all of the ahadith that mention him.

So, any claimant to being the rightly-guided (mahdi) leader prophesied by Prophet Muhammad, needs to fulfill that task, otherwise, he cannot be him.
 

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