The Mahdi

[saba muslimah]

Originally Posted by Islamic Bro
Yes high scholars think this is a imagination of the Shia but it isn't. Allaah knows the best.

Can you please show me where brother? Jazakallah in advance.

yea How could i belive on this....?? Well i use to listen some of Ehle-tashi said.. Imam Mehdi is our Imam.. is that true?
So wat about sunni...?? Does he (Imam Mehdi) spread the Islam Again???

 

[alcurad]

^not sure what you meant, could you explain more sister?

 

[saba muslimah]

brother i just listen some muslims thought.. i hvn't prove yet
...but i also trying to know true about it..by books/hadiths refrences m still searching the basic reason & clues of Nazool Mehdi... InshaAllah soon i will explain with Authentic...

 

[alcurad]

oh I see, good luck then, it is actually one of the most complicated subjects, since there many somewhat contradictory views about him amongst the sects/mazahib.

 

[_PakistaN_]

No, not really. Why would he just come up to me. He would try to tell that to the world some how instead of telling everyone one at a time. That time a whole big number of people will find out once people find out his reality then it will spread fast.

 

[saba muslimah]

hhmmm How u can say...?
Plz give any Hadith refrences...or other if u like to share

 

[ahmetsecer]

I strongly advise to visit [B]http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/[/B] , you wiil find all answers of your questions.

 

[muslimapoclyptc]

^the above hadeeth does not indicate in any way, subtle or apparent that it is al khidr though..

I know this. However, according to some that individual is the Khidr:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one day gave a detailed account of the Dajjal and in that it was also included:

"He would come but would not be allowed to ether the mountain passes to Medina. So he will alight at some of the barren tracts near Medina, and a person who would be the best of men or one from amongst the best of men would say to him: 'I bear testimony to the fact that you are Dajjal about whom Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had informed us.' The Dajjal would say: 'What is your opinion if I kill this (person), then I bring him back to life; even then will you harbor doubt in this matter?' They would say: 'No.' He would then kill (the man) and then bring him back to life. When he would bring that person to life, he would say: 'By Allah, I had no better proof of the fact (that you are a Dajjal) than at the present time (that you are actually so).' The Dajjal would then make an attempt to kill him (again) but he would not be able to do that."

Abu Ishaq reported that it was said: "That person would be Khadir (Allah be pleased with him)."

(Sahih Muslim, Book 41, No. 7017)

this is the saying attributed to Ibn Abbas:

اجتماع الخضر والياس عليهما الصلاة والسلام في كل عام في الموسم بمنى‏.‏

قال في الدرر أخرجه الحارث بن أبي أسامة في مسنده بسند ضعيف عن أنس، وأخرجه أبو إسحاق الزكي في جزء له عن ابن عباس، وقال في التمييز تبعا للأصل كشيخه الحافظ ابن حجر منكر لا يثبت فيه شيء، وزاد في الأصل وأخرجه الدارقطني عن ابن عباس ولا اعلمه إلا مرفوعا قال يلتقي الخضر وإلياس كل عام بالموسم بمنى، فيحلق كل واحد منهما رأس صاحبه، ويتفرقان عن هؤلاء الكلمات‏:‏ بسم الله ما شاء الله لا قوة إلا بالله، ما شاء الله لا يصرف السوء إلا الله، ما شاء الله ما كان من نعمة فمن الله، ما شاء الله لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله

it is summed up in that Al Khidr and the prophet Ilias meet each other in Mina-near Makkah- every year at the time of the pilgrimage, so then each of them shaves the head of the other and then say:in the name of god, no ability/strength except by god, whatever he wills, none casts away evil-literally badness- except god, whatever god will whatever blessing is from god, whatever god wills..

I'm not currently in the mood, so I didn't translate the alleged 'prayer' to the best I can, but it is very clear from the ridiculous story associated that it is not correct.

I'm curious though; on what basis is the story ridiculous?

 

[alcurad]

the prophet Ilyas being alive till now, alongside with al khidr.
Ibn Hajar said that it is Munkar-unaccepted- and none of it is proven, as did Ibn Ishaq say.

 

[doorster]

yea How could i belive on this....?? Well i use to listen some of Ehle-tashi said.. Imam Mehdi is our Imam.. is that true?
So wat about sunni...?? Does he (Imam Mehdi) spread the Islam Again???

Sunni Mahdi is yet to be born, however 12ver's Mahdi is same as their 12th Imaam and lives in hiding and keeps in contact with "ayatollah" type people via baabs (gates; or human go-betweens)

P.S. Ehle-tashi and us Sunnis do not get along in reality (imo 2 different religions)

this is the saying attributed to.....

I'm curious though; on what basis is the story ridiculous?

anything can be attributed to anyone; that does not make it the truth. btw. if anyone is thinking of flashing some isnaad in my face; I'll say that inventing them is no harder than inventing any other lie

 

[alcurad]

anything can be attributed to anyone; that does not make it the truth. btw. if anyone is thinking of flashing some isnaad in my face; I'll say that inventing them is no harder than inventing any other lie

a truth overlooked quite often, even if something is dubbed "saheeh" it has only passed some criteria, which don't necessitate said hadeeth really being the prophet's saying/action, and vice versa. the majority of the ahadeeth speaking about al khidr don't even pass that.
not that most of say Bukhari is dubious, but not all the scholars of hadeeth have always agreed even when using the same criterion, ahadeeth that don't concern Ibada and Aqeedah aren't that important as it were.

 

[doorster]

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[muslimapoclyptc]

the prophet Ilyas being alive till now, alongside with al khidr.
Ibn Hajar said that it is Munkar-unaccepted- and none of it is proven, as did Ibn Ishaq say.

So, does that mean that Ibn 'Abbas didn't say it?

anything can be attributed to anyone; that does not make it the truth. btw. if anyone is thinking of flashing some isnaad in my face; I'll say that inventing them is no harder than inventing any other lie

So, on that basis, how would you feel about someone rejecting all the ahadith, or just picking and choosing with them?

 

[doorster]

Originally Posted by doorster
anything can be attributed to anyone; that does not make it the truth. btw. if anyone is thinking of flashing some isnaad in my face; I'll say that inventing them is no harder than inventing any other lie

So, on that basis, how would you feel about someone rejecting all the ahadith, or just picking and choosing with them?

firstly I ask you to read this article by a non-hadees rejecting Sufi Shaikh, then come back and tell me the order in which he uses evidence from al Quraan and Hadees, then I will be glad to discuss it further providing no one drowns me under mountains of copy/pastings and labeling me anti-hadees

http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/134273647-haram-halal-meat.html

wa salam

 

[alcurad]

So, does that mean that Ibn 'Abbas didn't say it?

indeed, it's not likely that he said it, not according to the standard of hadeeth that is.

 

[muslimapoclyptc]

firstly I ask you to read this article by a non-hadees rejecting Sufi Shaikh, then come back and tell me the order in which he uses evidence from al Quraan and Hadees, then I will be glad to discuss it further providing no one drowns me under mountains of copy/pastings and labeling me anti-hadees

http://www.islamicboard.com/miscellaneous/134273647-haram-halal-meat.html

wa salam

Reading the article, I'm not sure exactly how it relates to what I asked, although I have some ideas.

So, would I be correct in assuming that you're trying to say that only ahadith that support, or elaborate, on what the Qur'an already establishes, should be considered as being credible?

indeed, it's not likely that he said it, not according to the standard of hadeeth that is.

Then what did Ibn 'Abbas say about it?

 

[doorster]

Reading the article, I'm not sure exactly how it relates to what I asked, although I have some ideas.

wa alaikum Salam. it gives us a template for arriving at decisions, it tells us where to get our evidence from

So, would I be correct in assuming that you're trying to say that only ahadith that support, or elaborate, on what the Qur'an already establishes, should be considered as being credible?

jazakAllah khair!!!

 

[ahmetsecer]

To Find The Maahdi

Please visit :

http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/index.php

 

[muslimapoclyptc]

Re: To Find The Maahdi

Please visit :

http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/index.php

There's also my website:

http://www.geocities.com/muslimapocalyptic/future_is_for_islam.htm

 

[ahmetsecer]

http://www.geocities.com/muslimapoca..._for_islam.htm this link is not work, could you pls check?