The Miracles of Jesus

  • Thread starter Thread starter barney
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 32
  • Views Views 5K

barney

IB Expert
Messages
2,418
Reaction score
291
I was wondering what the boards opinion on the miracles of Jesus .

He is said , (in one source, the bible) to have done some world shattering stuff. The stuff that would have spread faster than a conspiracy theory on youtube.

I was after the christian & jewish explaination of why there is no ex-bibilic source for anything supernatural or even mundane happening in relation to jesus.
 
I suspect the Jewish explanation is that it didn't happen.

For the Christian explanation, there in fact are non-biblical writings from Christian writers and by non-Christians who report the Christian message. But I also propose that those who heard it and didn't believe, just went on with their lives as before; while those who experienced and believed either themselves became Christian, or were too wrapped up in their own lives to do more than pass it on by word of mouth, but it didn't change their lives enough to commit to writing it down.
 
I suspect the Jewish explanation is that it didn't happen.

Jesus is mentioned in Maimonides' Epistle to Yemen, written about 1172 to Rabbi Jacob ben Netan'el al-Fayyumi, head of the Yemen Jewish community.

According to it:

Daniel had already alluded to him when he presaged the downfall of a wicked one and a heretic among the Jews who would endeavor to destroy the Law, claim prophecy for himself, make pretenses to miracles, and allege that he is the Messiah, as it is written, "Also the children of the impudent among thy people shall make bold to claim prophecy, but they shall fall." (Daniel 11:14).

So yes, you're 100% right.
 
Jesus can make lotsa miracle, not he is powerful but he prays to Allah(Elah) for guidance,because Jesus can makes lotsa miracle is because Allah had lend the power to Jesus and perform the miracles...because Jesus prays to Allah.! Jesus is Human,Not a Saviour...:coolious:

1. turn the water to wine
2. heal the lazarus, from death to allive.
3. the girl is die,and she alive again.
4. jesus been crucify and lifted to heaven.
5. Jesus chase the demon inside the pig.
6. and etc..!
 
Last edited:
The Qur'an acknowledges Allaah(swt) performed many miracles through Prophet Isa(as) even some not mentioned in the bible.
 
Last edited:
Jesus (pbuh) was given the miracles to talk in the cradle and perform miracles like healing the blind through Allah...without Allah giving him these miracles he wouldn't have been able to do them.

Allah gave these miracles to Jesus (pbuh) to show the people that he was a true prophet of God since he was born of a virgin mother Mary, people would have been skeptical.


I hope this helps...

I wish you the best

Allahu Alum (Allah knows best)
 
I was wondering why the bible only mentions a few miracles jesus did, rather than share all or at least alot more of his life long miracles, I mean there has to be alot more than we know or anyone wanted to share with the world.

I read a book about the "early childhood of jesus" and my mom was so excited I bought her a book to, but after a few days, she called and said that book was a hoax, I'm sorry to say, my opinion differs from hers, because who really knows. It was a good book though!
 
Last edited:
I was wondering why the bible only mentions a few miracles jesus did, rather than share all or at least alot more of his life long miracles, I mean there has to be alot more than we know or anyone wanted to share with the world.

I think the main reason the Bible does not tell of all the miracles is because there were probably too many, and most of them were done repeatedly so there was no need to mention them over and over again. Another reason may be that a lot of Bible did not write down what Jesus (pbuh) did. They waited awhile later to write it done, they had to go off of memory.

I hope this helps...

I wish you the best :D

Allahu Alum
 
I would consider "Too many" as being a suspect reason not to write them down.

"Hey , did you see that? That guy just flew through the air!"
" Yeah, he did it yesterday as well, nothing to write home about..."

We are talking 2000 years ago. Language and the written word wasnt that uncommon. Jesus was doing miracles for 5 years if you discount the Infant Gospel of Thomas or 34 years otherwise.
Here are some of the people who decided not to write a thing.

Lazerus, or his family and his freinds.
5000 people or their families or freinds who were fed magic bread and fishes.
A crowd watching the demon come out of the pigs.
Thousands of people who saw jesus after he had died and risen again.
The entire Population of Jerusalem, scribes and learned scholars, right down to the street cleaners who saw the dead rise from their grave and run about the city...then thought that they wouldnt bother writing it down.
The sick who were healed, their familys, their freinds.
The Blind who could see, the lame who could walk, their family their freinds.
Jesus's most hardbitten opponents. The Jewish religious leaders.
The 20000 occupying Romans, who wrote everything down in triplicate, decide to write not a syllable about someone who can do evrything from withering a fig tree (highly useful) to raising the dead,(many military applications)
Ect Etc and ad nauseum

We have literally perhaps 100000 people who could have written something. Anything. These miracles were to show he was who he said he was. As a convincing proof to amaze and confirm his god-ness.

So out of all these thousands of people who actually does write anything?

Answer: His 5 best mates and drinking buddies, decades after he died.
They have him retroactively doing the stuff of superheros. Wasnt his supposed message enough? Why add in all the supernatural?
Some people reference him, but not his miracles, in relation to being a preacher that people followed, but again these are not contempory.
It's almost as if he diddnt exist.
 
Last edited:
well of course someone wouldnt cram the bible with the samethings over and over again, but the point being he did it, writing it once is enough, why simply leave it out. Of course like stated he probably did many many things, but for sure they should of added more than the few they did add.
 
Well, 2000 years ago, it was oral tradition. So, you won't expect everything to be really written down - it wasn't a time of "writing" so to say, the materials at the time wern't too great either (having to use such things as papyrus). So, witnesses, arn't likely to go, write a book or somthing about it. But reports would have been their, whether if they were true or rumours - it would have spread. I am sure, their would have been some writings on it though - I mean even if it wasn't true and it was a rumour, it would have been one so big someone would have writ it somewhere.

But yes, compared to today, the reason is, just that it was a time of oral tradition. I am sure, if it happened today, we would have, as you said, youtube videos, tv, newspaper etc.

As for the jews, I don't know if they would have rejected it. People at the time, would not think it was impossible for people to do such actions, I would believe, I mean this is 2000 years ago - and possibly that if someone could do it, it does not neccessarily make them God, or a Prophet. On the other hand, those who did witness it, may have converted, or found alternative reasoning. I guess we would need a Jew to clarify.
 
So out of all these thousands of people who actually does write anything?

Answer: His 5 best mates and drinking buddies, decades after he died.

Do you mean this as a figure of speech or in a literal sense?
 
The miracles of Jesus were too many, but not recorded, because NONE of the nt writers saw Jesus, but it was story teller like.

For example, Paul wrote 75% of the nt, he never knew or see Jesus.

Look at the first verses of the book of Luke, the writer write about something every body talking about at that time, and he was encourge to write too!
 
The miracles of Jesus were too many, but not recorded, because NONE of the nt writers saw Jesus, but it was story teller like.

Really? NONE? Not one?

Peter will be interested in learning that. As will John and Matthew. Though I know plenty of contemporary liberal NT "scholars" like to dispute their authorship, at least recognize that tradition assigns the authorship of these Gospels to Jesus' disciples.

Likewise though the authorship or James and Jude are in dispute, they are generally attributed to two of Jesus' brothers. I myself wouldn't want to press too hard for that to be true of Jude, but the argument for James seems thoroughly reasonable and highly compelling.

For example, Paul wrote 75% of the nt, he never knew or see Jesus.
Let's see.... that was Matthew, John, James, Jude, and Peter. 5 NT writers other than Paul, responsible for 10 of the 27 books of the NT. Already that is more non-Pauline material than you allow for and I haven't even included Mark and Luke/Acts yet. And as a matter of fact, if you were to count pages, in my Bible the works of Paul (assuming that they are all actually by Paul, for the same people who argue against Matthew and John being actually written by one of Jesus' disciples also argue that most of the letters that bear Paul's name were written by others as well) account for only 92 of the 354 pages (only 26%) of the New Testament. So, may I suggest that before you go making assertions about Paul writing 75% of the NT, that you do some fact-checking first.
 
Really? NONE? Not one?

Peter will be interested in learning that. As will John and Matthew. Though I know plenty of contemporary liberal NT "scholars" like to dispute their authorship, at least recognize that tradition assigns the authorship of these Gospels to Jesus' disciples.

Likewise though the authorship or James and Jude are in dispute, they are generally attributed to two of Jesus' brothers. I myself wouldn't want to press too hard for that to be true of Jude, but the argument for James seems thoroughly reasonable and highly compelling.

Let's see.... that was Matthew, John, James, Jude, and Peter. 5 NT writers other than Paul, responsible for 10 of the 27 books of the NT. Already that is more non-Pauline material than you allow for and I haven't even included Mark and Luke/Acts yet. And as a matter of fact, if you were to count pages, in my Bible the works of Paul (assuming that they are all actually by Paul, for the same people who argue against Matthew and John being actually written by one of Jesus' disciples also argue that most of the letters that bear Paul's name were written by others as well) account for only 92 of the 354 pages (only 26%) of the New Testament. So, may I suggest that before you go making assertions about Paul writing 75% of the NT, that you do some fact-checking first.
Putting my cards on the table, I will say that Jesus is based on a historical real person. He may have claimed some godhood. Plenty of people do this right from Achilles to Mike Travasser, actually hundreds of thousands of people claimed this.

Mike Travasser of Strong City has 50 adherents, 50 diciples, including 12 virgin girls (who remain virgins despite his actions apparently, even the 14 year olds).
We can discount Mike as being divine. He's simply a peadophile with a religious hook and preying on the gullible.

If he died tommorow and he was living in a slightly different era, his diciples would write of his miracles, of which there have been many. All un-filmed, all in the past. He cant actually pop a miracle out on demand. He says to the film crews , "thou shalt not test the lord thy God". Pretty much because as soon as you test him, he fails. In abundance.

Christianity really only got on a roll a century after Jesus was supposed to have lived. Nobody alive saw the miracles. They simply beleived the one single account. The Bible.
It offered paradise which was fairly unique, it brought in a old-new concept...."Hell" and it certainly brought hell on earth for anyone in opposition as the romans battling with christian terrorism finally submitted to "Jesus's mercy".

With the thousands of scribes and historans and scholars faced with a Literal God on Earth, alive in their times and openly wanting people to see and record everything, we are left with 7 people,( the fisherman, the quack, the council-worker, Jesus's best mates,(and how did they learn to write!)) to record in their 90's in an era where people lived to their 50's tales of amazement and wonder.
The sort of stuff that today you would laugh off in a heartbeat.And the sort of stuff that is taken as "Gospel"
 
If he died tommorow and he was living in a slightly different era, his diciples would write of his miracles, of which there have been many. All un-filmed, all in the past. He cant actually pop a miracle out on demand. He says to the film crews , "thou shalt not test the lord thy God". Pretty much because as soon as you test him, he fails. In abundance.

Yes, and the Egyptian kings and queens thought they were divine. It isn't the claim that is unique.

Christianity really only got on a roll a century after Jesus was supposed to have lived. Nobody alive saw the miracles. They simply beleived the one single account. The Bible.
It offered paradise which was fairly unique, it brought in a old-new concept...."Hell" and it certainly brought hell on earth for anyone in opposition as the romans battling with christian terrorism finally submitted to "Jesus's mercy".

Paradise was fairly unique? I don't believe so. Romans battling with Christian terrorism? Read the Davinci Code I see. Christians were repeatedly persecuted for their faith by a number of Roman emperors. Emperor Diocletian, in 303, launched the last wave of Christian persecution. That only stopped due to Emperor Constantine legalizing Christianity in 310.

With the thousands of scribes and historans and scholars faced with a Literal God on Earth, alive in their times and openly wanting people to see and record everything, we are left with 7 people,( the fisherman, the quack, the council-worker, Jesus's best mates,(and how did they learn to write!)) to record in their 90's in an era where people lived to their 50's tales of amazement and wonder.
The sort of stuff that today you would laugh off in a heartbeat.And the sort of stuff that is taken as "Gospel"

You have cynicism in abundance, good for you. :D
 
Putting my cards on the table, I will say that Jesus is based on a historical real person.

I'm not sure what your comments had to do with my post in which I critiqued Oleander's math skills in falsely claiming that Paul was the author of 75% of the New Testament.

But what I'm really curious about in your post is your above comment, that you will say that Jesus is based on a historical, real person. What evidence do YOU have to substantiate such a belief? If the miracles are all Biblical fiction, why not the person who supposedly did them as well? What leads you to believe that a man Jesus ever even existed for there are plenty today who want to dispute that as well?
 
jesus lifted up to heaven...by power oF Allah....Jesus will come to the world to fight with Dajjal...for the LAST DAy..judgement DAy...and all armageddon.
the world had been demolished....! Jesus will tell that "Dont pray to me, but pray to the ONE GOD,Allah" i am a messenger of ALLah....!:-\
 

Similar Threads

Back
Top