The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan Devit

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

The "natural" person in 1Corinthains 2:14 refers to non-believers (those who reject that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin).




Your argument above was expected, and is that of a natural man, devoid of any spiritual understanding.
Without Jesus Christ you will not understand who is the woman, what is the covering, etc.
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Anyway folks, it's time to leave this forum as I got warnings from admin that I'm not to share the gospel of God's kingdom here.

So you didn't come here to learn, but preach - got your tail handed back to you and now you wanna run with it firmly tucked under your cloak...

...oh, you're forgetting the dagger,

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

I was saving this, but since you have left, well...

The "natural" person in 1Corinthains 2:14 refers to non-believers (those who reject that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin).

Nail in coffin time:

There is consensus among historians and Christian theologians that Paul is the author of the First Epistle to the Corinthians (ca. AD 53–54).[SUP][1][/SUP] The letter is quoted or mentioned by the earliest of sources, and is included in every ancient canon,[SUP][2][/SUP] including that of Marcion. The personal and even embarrassing texts about immorality in the church increase consensus.

However, two passages may have been inserted at a later stage. The first passage is 1 Cor 11:2–16 dealing with praying and prophesying with head covering.[SUP][3][/SUP]The second passage is 1 Cor 14:34–35 which has been hotly debated. Part of the reason for doubt is that in some manuscripts, the verses come at the end of the chapter instead of at its present location. Furthermore, Paul is here appealing to the law which is uncharacteristic of him. Lastly, the verses come into conflict with 11:5 where women are described as praying and prophesying.[SUP][4]

SAUCE

Sleep well, rest them shaky legs.

Scimi[/SUP]

 

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you Al Sultan;

I struggle with these kinds of threads, clearly there are profound differences between our two faiths. however, I do believe we should be able to build relationships despite these differences. It would be a very shallow world, if everyone was a Catholic like me, and believed as I do.

I believe that truth leads to kindness, mercy forgiveness, justice and peace, we should pray for each other, that we might all find salvation, despite our differences.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

Greetings and peace be with you too, brother Eric.

Brother Eric, you're a very nice and humble person, but , I one hundred and ten percent agree with what you said,and I understand why you struggle in these kinds of threads.

Of course truth leads to peace,mercy,kindness,justice.

But I'm pretty sure you can see who's trying to tell the truth to the one here.

First of all, Holy Branch started the anger and hatred by first telling us to 'leave anti christ islam' so then me and Scimitar corrected him that we do believe he is the Messiah, and Islam confirms that.

He then ignored us AGAIN and continued to call us 'anti christs' and command us to 'leave anti christ islam' ... like do you accept that dear brother Eric?

It pisses me off, and it offends me, because we are not, and we told him that and he just ignores us.

I really would have appreciated this argument much more if Holy Branch was a bit more mature, and polite to us, because being called an 'anti christ' offends me.

But I will continue to be patient with him, and then hopefully he will understand the truth (that we are NOT ANTI CHRISTS)

God bless you Eric.

 

[Eric H]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you brother Al Sultan;

We can never hope to know the mind of God. The Jews are God's chosen people, Christians are chosen by Christ, and in Islam, Allah chooses whom he wills. Did Allah make a mistake, when he chose you to be a wonderful Muslim? I would have to fight against God to change what he has set in place.

But I will continue to be patient with him, and then hopefully he will understand the truth (that we are NOT ANTI CHRISTS)

Patience always seems to go against human nature, our instincts seem to say we should respond in the same way. But patience and kindness brings us closer to our God.

May Allah bless you in all that you do, may you be a blessing to those you love and care for.

Eric

 

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you too, brother Eric.

May Allah bless you in all that you do, may you be a blessing to those you love and care for.

May Allah and bless you too, and you too may be a blessing to those you love and care for