The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

[R Khan]

Look no further than the Security Council to see how "Democratic" - Democracy really is, believe me it's not as nice as they claim it to be. Democracy is really "power-politics", nothing more or less.

Even my politics teacher has to agree.

 

[Ramadhan]

these are the protesters at tahrir square feast your eyes on those who don't want sharia.

a picture is worth a thousand word isn't it?

I am running out of rep, but I just love this picture.

In one picture, it shows what muslim is: submission to God,
as opposed to those who submit themselves to democracy, for example.

 

[Lynx]

OP should stop posting.

Anyway,
Self Determination is a beautiful thing. I hope Egypt succeeds in its quest to overthrow its unwanted leaders.

 

[Ramadhan]

Self Determination is a beautiful thing.

Isn't it interesting to note that in the example of USA, the people elect their government who in turn tried so hard to enforce a certain system of governments in many other countries, at the expense of the self determination of those countries' citizens.

I hope Egypt succeeds in its quest to overthrow its unwanted leaders.

It seems the VP is stepping up, which is none better, as he is publicly loved by Israel more than they love Mubarak.

 

[جوري]

OP should stop posting.

Or perhaps you should stop reading his posts, as many of us enjoyed his article!

all the best

 

[جوري]

did you guys hear that turd woosley on CNN speak against sharia law, how a terrible system it is and how it is oppressive to women and homos? pls. try to write CNN not to speak on behalf of Muslim women, last thing we need is a stinking **** like that ass telling us what is and what isn't terrible ugh...

insha'Allah an Islamic state will rise ameen ya rabb

 

[titus]

Find me evidence where the Sharia permits the slaughter of religious/ethnic minorities and are allowed to force non-Muslims to convert?

It doesn't, that I am aware of, any more than democracy allows unlimited incarceration without charges. Such things occur within any system, and any system is only as good as the people that run it.

That being said it makes me uneasy when people argue for a system in which people of different religions are treated differently under the law and one religion is made superior. That is a recipe for inequality and history backs up that that is the practice.

While many democracies, including and especially the USA, have a sordid history of practicing true equality, the system allows it and indeed strives for it. That is not the case with Sharia. Inequality is an inherent part of Sharia.

 

[جوري]

It doesn't, that I am aware of, any more than democracy allows unlimited incarceration without charges. Such things occur within any system, and any system is only as good as the people that run it.

That being said it makes me uneasy when people argue for a system in which people of different religions are treated differently under the law and one religion is made superior. That is a recipe for inequality and history backs up that that is the practice.

While many democracies, including and especially the USA, have a sordid history of practicing true equality, the system allows it and indeed strives for it. That is not the case with Sharia. Inequality is an inherent part of Sharia.

You know what Sharia'a allows and doesn't allow because you're studied in Islamic law? can we please see your credentials? If you don't have them then kindly shut your bazoo!

 

[titus]

I have a degree in History and have studied how it was applied. I have also read some of the writings of some modern Islamic scholars and there is not agreement on how Sharia should be applied. There is disagreement on everything from how apostates should be punished to whether or not religious minorities should be allowed to build places of worship to what the limits of slavery should be.

The fact is that there is no consensus of what Sharia is supposed to be and what it is not supposed to be.

If you want to argue that I am wrong and that Muslims and non-Muslims are equal under Sharia then please give it a shot.

 

[جوري]

I have a degree in History and have studied how it was applied. I have also read some of the writings of some modern Islamic scholars and there is not agreement on how Sharia should be applied. There is disagreement on everything from how apostates should be punished to whether or not religious minorities should be allowed to build places of worship to what the limits of slavery should be. The fact is that there is no consensus of what Sharia is supposed to be and what it is not supposed to be. If you want to argue that I am wrong and that Muslims and non-Muslims are equal under Sharia then please give it a shot.

A degree in history doesn't grant you a degree in Islamic jurisprudence by proxy. Judicial matters are just that, matters left for judges no different than any other court system. So again, until such a time we see that you've spent your due time in Al-Azhar or another reputable institution teaching Islamic law.. please refrain from commenting on matters you don't know...

 

[Zafran]

I have a degree in History and have studied how it was applied. I have also read some of the writings of some modern Islamic scholars and there is not agreement on how Sharia should be applied. There is disagreement on everything from how apostates should be punished to whether or not religious minorities should be allowed to build places of worship to what the limits of slavery should be.

The fact is that there is no consensus of what Sharia is supposed to be and what it is not supposed to be.

If you want to argue that I am wrong and that Muslims and non-Muslims are equal under Sharia then please give it a shot.

sorry to tell you but practicing muslims are living under the sharia - I bet you didnt know that. There is a concensus what sharia is and why it is given to humanity.

I agree there are differences on things you listed except the last one on slavery which every muslim agrees thats its abolished atleast within the law.

 

[titus]

A degree in history doesn't grant you a degree in Islamic jurisprudence by proxy.

Neither does being a Muslim. Or do you have such a degree in Islamic jurisprudence? If not then, according to your own post, you should not be posting on the subject.

Or only non-Muslims not allowed to talk about Sharia?

Does that mean that only people with a degree in constitutional law may comment on Democracy?

Does that mean that if I watch a football game that I am not allowed to comment on the play of the quarterback because I didn't play in the NFL or go to referee school?

Your contention is ridiculous.

 

[جوري]

Neither does being a Muslim. Or do you have such a degree in Islamic jurisprudence? If not then, according to your own post, you should not be posting on the subject.

Or only non-Muslims not allowed to talk about Sharia?

Does that mean that only people with a degree in constitutional law may comment on Democracy?

Does that mean that if I watch a football game that I am not allowed to comment on the play of the quarterback because I didn't play in the NFL or go to referee school?

Your contention is ridiculous.

Indeed anyone who has no knowledge of a subject can't discuss it least of which with such negative undertones. People can't read an article about total abdominal hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy and argue that it is barbaric and kills someone career as a woman. If you have no knowledge as to why such a procedure is performed and the thought process behind it then you have no business commenting about it!

football games are right up your ally though. there is no art or science to that, just a bunch of like minded losers humping each other so knock yourself out, but the law and science aren't a game for amateurs!

all the best

 

[titus]

I agree there are differences on things you listed except the last one on slavery which every muslim agrees thats its abolished atleast within the law.

There are scholars that don't agree that slavery is abolished. There are many other things that scholars disagree on when it comes to Sharia.

sorry to tell you but practicing muslims are living under the sharia - I bet you didnt know that.

The question is are there any non-Muslims living under Shaira? As I said I am sure that Sharia is great for practicing Muslims. It is the non-Muslims and non-practicing Muslims that have to worry. Unfortunately those that want Sharia in Egypt would force it upon the non-Muslims.

 

[titus]

Indeed anyone who has no knowledge of a subject can't discuss it least of which with such negative undertones. People can't read an article about total abdominal hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy and argue that it is barbaric and kills someone career as a woman. If you have no knowledge as to why such a procedure is performed and the thought process behind it then you have no business commenting about it!

You have convinced me. I won't discuss medical issues with you because I am undereducated in that field, and you don't discuss history since you are undereducated in that field.

 

[جوري]

The question is are there any non-Muslims living under Shaira? As I said I am sure that Sharia is great for practicing Muslims. It is the non-Muslims and non-practicing Muslims that have to worry. Unfortunately those that want Sharia in Egypt would force it upon the non-Muslims.

same can be said for capitalism or communism.. if there are capitalists or communists living it and practicing I am sure they would be happy not so for the rest of those who don't agree with tenets of such a systems..
Egypt is 90% Muslim, I believe that is more than 50+1 forcing 50-1 to live under their command. Again I am not sure how difficult this is for someone like you to grasp perhaps it pays to repeat NO CONSTITUTION RUNS ON THE EXCEPTION!

 

[جوري]

You have convinced me. I won't discuss medical issues with you because I am undereducated in that field, and you don't discuss history since you are undereducated in that field.

I have minored in history and art history as well chemistry in under-grad and my father has a PhD in history and political science and I have lived in that environment as well in Egypt for quite a period and familiar with the region and am a Muslims so frankly I don't see any room for you to discuss anything here except football!

all the best

 

[titus]

Egypt is 90% Muslim, I believe that is more than 50+1 forcing 50-1 to live under their command. Again I am not sure how difficult this is for someone like you to grasp perhaps it pays to repeat NO CONSTITUTION RUNS ON THE EXCEPTION!

I don't believe in oppression of the minority by the majority simply because they are the majority.

Would you support the US taking away the rights of Muslims to vote in the US? After all, they are a minority. They make up even less of the US population than non-muslims do in Egypt and we wouldn't want to run on the exception, would we?

Might as well take the vote away from black people too and not allow them to hold public office since they are the minority. After all, wouldn't want those minorities to have too much of a say in how things are done. We can't run on the exception!

 

[Insecured soul]

insha'Allah an Islamic state will rise ameen ya rabb

This would be a dream in 21st century where the entire worlds enemy is islam and its shariah, but allah gives victory to as-sabiruun and allah is ever powerful and wise.

 

[جوري]

I don't believe in oppression of the minority by the majority simply because they are the majority.

Would you support the US taking away the rights of Muslims to vote in the US? After all, they are a minority. They make up even less of the US population than non-muslims do in Egypt and we wouldn't want to run on the exception, would we?

Might as well take the vote away from black people too and not allow them to hold public office since they are the minority. After all, wouldn't want those minorities to have too much of a say in how things are done. We can't run on the exception!

again you speak of oppression and we wonder where you get those little factoids from?
Again, Non-Muslims can vote on matters concerning them, and secondly I don't vote at all in the U.S and don't care if the U.S took away that 'privilege' from Muslims for two reasons.
1- I'd be voting for a non-Islamic system and I don't agree with that
2- the minute you vote they call you for jury duty which is another malignancy of the silly system that lifts under-educated idiots from the street again unversed in the law to decide the fate of others..

You really are losing credibility here and all your appeals at emotionality aren't working simply because your premise is flawed. and it is flawed because you're ignorant of sharia!

and you're right this state doesn't run on the exception. You see it permissible for a man to bed 50 women and have a hundred out of wedlock but make it illegal to wed more than one wife to give identity and inheritance to the ba stard children.. so try to apply that logic believe me there are many situations where it is applicable if you'd just stretch your neurons a nanometer!