The Opening Chapter

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sabachthani said:
The Opening Chapter

Is it true, that the opening chapter of the Koran, entitled
Al Fateha, is not considered a divine revelation?
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I dont know where you got this but the fatiha is the pride of the Quran , when we pray we HAVE to recite it before ANY OTHER verse, Allah(swt) calls it:

'' THE SEVEN OFT REPEATED VERSES''

They are something NO OTHER prophet received apart from Muhammad(SAW)
It is an Honour and favour to the Muslims that we have it, almost EVERY muslim knows it by head (even before i was as i am now i never forgot it)

:thankyou:
 
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sabachthani said:
Then, why does it read more like petition, rather than revelation?
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This is Allah teaching mankind how to call upon Him and how to conduct the perfect prayer never taught to any other Ummah( prophet's people) before us.
 
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sabachthani said:
Is it true, that the opening chapter of the Koran, entitled
Al Fateha, is not considered a divine revelation?
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no
not considered a divine revelation?
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by whom?

your questions are statements masquerading as questions, which is not a very clever idea if I may say so.

next time you post a false statement, you should also give its background
 
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salam alaikum
This Allah teaching mankind how to call upon Him and how to conduct the perfect prayer never taught to any other Ummah( prophet's people) before us.
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are you familiar with the Lords Prayer?

wasalam alaikum
 
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NoName55 said:
sala alaikumare you familiar with the Lords Prayer?

wasalam alaikum
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yes, i have read it and it did actually cross my mind how similar they are in style but if you look at it, the fatiha is like the emblem of our Ummah other ummahs might have had their
'fatihas' but our defines us (I think)

And Allah Knows Best.
 
NoName55 said:
your questions are statements masquerding as questions, which is not a very clever idea if I may say so.
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I'm sure you mean masquerading, unless you meant to be profane.

It would be pointless to cite sources which will simply be discredited.
Mine is a common sense question, directed at you, the adherents.

If you cannot satisfactorily answer such questions, to yourselves, what
does it say about your faiths. A faith must be deeply rooted, and grounded.
Answers like The Lord said so... or The Prophet said so... are merely abysmal
antiphons. And to have a barrage of infidel experts, to prove your faith is quite
ironic. If you were to read my other posts, my motives are explicit.

As with other prayers taught in the Koran, why is this one not preceded
with the customary edict, to Say, or Read? Why does it take the narrative
structure, like the rest of the Koran? Is this part of his prophetic license?
 
^^ Troll Alert! (to be ignored by me for the present)

For The Muslim and seekers of Truth only

al-Fatihah - An In-Depth Study By Shaykh Jamaaluddin Zarabozo


Muslims have been commanded by Allah to recite Soorah Al-Fatihah a minimum of seventeen times a day. This fact, in itself, should alert the Muslim to the extreme importance of this concise but deep soorah. Indeed, the Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) referred to it as Umm al-Qur’an or “the foundation of the Quran itself.” Its teachings aptly touch upon and summarize the entire spectrum of Islamic teachings. As a Muslim grows in his understanding of Soorah al-fatihah, the quality of his daily prayers can be greatly affected and improved. When the quality of his daily prayers are improved, in reality, his entire being can be transformed into a true and blessed servant of Allah, one who fulfills the pact he is making with Allah when he says, “You alone do we worship.”

In preparing this series of lectures, Br. Jamaal Zarabozo has benefited from the vast resources detailing the implications of this beautiful soorah. What the scholars have said about this soorah and what this speaker has captured is not only uplifting but it is a guide for the Muslim’s life. There is no prayer without Soorah al-Fatihah and, thus, there should be no Muslim living without the guidance and teachings of this soorah. With this introduction, you ( The Muslim or seeker, NOT the Troll) are invited to listen and encounter the in-depth meaning of Soorah al-Fatihah.
 
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NoName55 said:
^^ Troll Alert! (to be ignored by me for the present)
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A normal, infantile reaction, when one is stumped. The ignorant, ignores.

NoName55 said:
For The Muslim and seekers of Truth only
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How is one a seeker of truth, when one cannot prove the origin of this
presumed truth? Brother or sister, convert or revert, does no one care?

The implied sacrosanctity of the prophet, has deemed validation, beyond
his words alone, an infidelity. Cave... Fever... Rambling... Religion? How?
No burning bush, no parting of the Red Sea, no miracles? Then why?

Say so alone, forms no foundation at all. Neither does blind faith.
If based on content, then the Bible, or the Gita, is just as inspirational,
and are, supposedly, the uttered words of God, not an intermediary.
 
sabachthani said:
Originally Posted by NoName55
^^ Troll Alert! (to be ignored by me for the present)
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A normal, infantile reaction, when one is stumped. The ignorant, ignores.
Originally Posted by NoName55
For The Muslim and seekers of Truth only
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How is one a seeker of truth, when one cannot prove the origin of this
presumed truth? Brother or sister, convert or revert, does no one care?

The implied sacrosanctity of the prophet, has deemed validation, beyond
his words alone, an infidelity. Cave... Fever... Rambling... Religion? How?
No burning bush, no parting of the Red Sea, no miracles? Then why?

Say so alone, forms no foundation at all. Neither does blind faith.
If based on content, then the Bible, or the Gita, is just as inspirational,
and are, supposedly, the uttered words of God, not an intermediary.
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A normal, infantile reaction, when one is stumped. The ignorant, ignores.
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Verbal battles and swapping of refutations only leads to renewed energy (for trolls). Boredom and lack of finding someone to battle, causes them to loose interest and leave (for pastures new). Br. Woodrow
 
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NoName55 said:
No attacks against Islam in any form will be tolerated...
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Thus far, there has been no attack whatsoever, only legitimate questions.

You seem to be the only one trivializing this board. It is obvious that you lack
the comprehension to grasp the crux, or the spirit, of the questions. So, if
you have nothing constructive, or relevant, to say, please do not respond.

Thank you.
 
Before we go much further, let us all take a deep breath and relax. At the moment we are way off topic.

Let us now return to the original topic. It is a question and the topic is the question. At the moment we need not concern ourselves as to any motive behind why it was asked,

Back to topic.
 
sabachthani said:
Is it true, that the opening chapter of the Koran, entitled
Al Fateha, is not considered a divine revelation?
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The plain short answer is no. It is considered to be the divine word of Allah(swt)

That is the question, the question has been answered.

Are there any other specific questions related to the topic?
 
sabachthani said:
Then, why does it read more like petition, rather than revelation?
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Why would it not be a revelation even if it is a Petition? The comment makes no logical sense. Please explain why that would prevent it from being a revelation.
 
i think its a troll, check his name

''sabachthani''
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Means:
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''Forsaken me'' right?

You have not been forsaken ,rather you turned a blind eye as you are turning a blind eye to everything we have been saying.
 
DAWUD_adnan said:
i think its a troll, check his name

''sabachthani''
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Means:
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''Forsaken me'' right?

You have not been forsaken ,rather you turned a blind eye as you are turning a blind eye to everything we have been saying.
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Actually in Aramaic the word standing alone has no meaning. The meaning can change somewhat by what accompanies it. It is also transliterated wrong, although that is the common transliteration. It needs some qualifying words to show if it is being used as a noun or verb and who it is in relationship too.
 
Woodrow said:
Why would it not be a revelation even if it is a Petition? The comment makes no logical sense. Please explain why that would prevent it from being a revelation.
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Thank you for your response, and for the moderation.

Well, a petition, by definition, is a request, or a plea. If it is God's
word, why would he reveal a petition, without expressly indicating
that it be read as such. All the other prayers in the Koran, are
expressly prefixed with either Say..., or Read..., but not this one.

And since we're on the topic, why are the other prayers, although
prefixed as such, read along with the prefixes? We aren't God,
are we? So, who are we commanding, when we say them?

Thus, my question.
 

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