The Pangs of Divorce

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I was reading an essay by William Pollack and Todd Shuster the other day in regards to parental divorce. The book stated that 50% of first marriages end in divorce. Being the critical minded person that I am, I double checked the stats on-line, and it truly did range between 45% and 50%. That’s quite a staggering number. Where does divorce root from? Infatuation? Miscommunication?

At any rate, the essay began with two quotes which really leave a lump in your throat, especially coming from these adoloscent children:

“I don’t know why they got divorced. They were a happy couple.”

- Garcia, 12

“I felt like someone had put a undred daggers in my heart. I never before knew what divorce really meant or what went with it…My dad moved out less than a month later.”

- Bruce, 14

The author of this specific essay was 15 years old. He described how this negatively impacted his life. After his parents’ divorce, he did his research on not only the divorce process but also his family divorce history. He stated that on either side of his family, he found absolutely no possible divorces up the chain of ancestors. The boy went on saying how he would come home and realize that if he would ever want to talk to either parent, he would have to go to a different town or perhaps even across the street. Yet, it pained him to know that it was not the next bedroom down the hall. It was not under the same roof.

Divorce itself comes unexpectedly for the most part. It’s a pity to see the rates so painstakingly high. Perhaps it would be beneficial to know the roots of divorce. In my own experience, I noticed that every time the topic of marriage comes up in a class setting, the word divorce just has to be mentioned. The two words have become almost synonymous. Marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce. Yet, the two words have a world of a difference in meaning and connotation. It’s a word that every happy couple fears to mention after the two words (I do) are uttered. Yet, stuff happens.

Do we look down upon the divorcees? I would say yes. Not that we should, because none of us know the true story. We just infer and imagine that behind the couple’s bedroom doors, there must have been a lot of massacre, disaster, and bloodshed. It must be even worse on the divorcees to having stand in public and say that he/she is a divorced person. Though, with these recent staggering divorce rates, I do expect that in the future generations, it’ll become more like a household issue. I’m sure each of us have heard of our own cases. People after 4o or 50 years still getting divorced. You wonder, after decades upon decades of living together, how can you still have misunderstandings? Yet, stuff happens.

It’s not for us to judge because neither of us are immune to it. That’s really the key to remember whenever you judge someone in regards to any aspect. Divorce itself affects the entire family. You have to face the public’s pressing questions. By “you”, I am referring to the immediate relations of the divorcees. “But why did they get divorced?” or “But what really happened?” It’s really something they do not want to talk about, as it only brings back the pitiful memories of your first official and legal love.

But at the end of the day, we are heartless and forgetful people. We still press on these questions and let our curiosity flow at any cost. Even though it won’t affect our lives in any way knowing or unknowing, we only care to have a subject to discuss on the next social gathering. These idle talks lead us to have such selfish behavior. Just leave that which does not concern you and have some sympathy for those who are undergoing trials of their own.

Rashad Abdullah
 
Is 50% for the USA? I think it depends on nationality, religion, culture, etc. Muslims as a group would probably be way below that figure.
 
^ Hmm... You're right. It might have been in the US.
 
Don't get me wrong.
I think divorce is a good thing - nobody should be forced to remain in a relationship which brings misery and suffering to one or both partners, not to speak about any children involved.

But I also think that people give up on their relationships much too easily.
Whether it is when the first glow of attraction wears of or the first excitement of being a (married) couple, and when the realization hits that the partner is not the most perfect and wonderful human being in the universe after all - many people see that as a sign that the relationship is wrong and that they made a mistake ...

The truth is, living together as a couple is hard work!
It requires the constant willingness of both partners to love each other, care for each other, forgive each other and work together.

In the 24 years I have been with my husband I have had many moments when I was angry and fed up, and when I even contemplated walking out and starting again elsewhere. No doubt my husband has had similar feelings over the years.
However, we keep pulling together and walking together.
We know that we love each other and that we make a good team - and we are not going to through it away carelessly!
 
Is there a table somewhere that shows the divorce rates among Muslims? I scanned the web and found reports of anywhere form 10% to 40%.
 
^ Muslims is a lot less, to my knowledge. That's partially because we do not have pre-marital relations.
 
That's partially because we do not have pre-marital relations.
Can you explain how you think not having pre-marital relations affects the divorce rate positively?

Thank you.
 
Can you explain how you think not having pre-marital relations affects the divorce rate positively?

Thank you.
It kind of affects because as far as I know, Islamic people don't know their partners until they get married.
They have arranged marriage. Thus, not knowing the partner in all aspects, effects the divorce rate because you can't be forced to get married to someone you haven't known and don't love.

Said this, I don't think this is the only reason for the divorce rate, but It could be one of the reasons.
 
Can you explain how you think not having pre-marital relations affects the divorce rate positively?

Thank you.

If you have been dating a lot of girls / boys before marriage (who could probably be more beautiful/cool than your partner) 3 things can ruin your marriage :
1) you feel that you prefer a free (without marriage) relationship like you had in the past : no responsibility, no duties.
2) you start comparing your partner with the guys/girls you knew in the past and probably you find him/her not as good as them.
3) many partners still keep contacts with boyfriends/girlfriends he/she met in the past (phone calls, ...) so the relationship with the present partner is not so strong and it's easy to divorce and make/restart another relationship.
 
If you have been dating a lot of girls / boys before marriage (who could probably be more beautiful/cool than your partner) 3 things can ruin your marriage :
1) you feel that you prefer a free (without marriage) relationship like you had in the past : no responsibility, no duties.
2) you start comparing your partner with the guys/girls you knew in the past and probably you find him/her not as good as them.
3) many partners still keep contacts with boyfriends/girlfriends he/she met in the past (phone calls, ...) so the relationship with the present partner is not so strong and it's easy to divorce and make/restart another relationship.

This happens when your marriage is arranged. But when you marry someone you love , you don't need to make comparisons or think about your past partners.

The divorce rate is high because people in Islam don't marry who they love. They marry what's best according to their parents. So it's obvious that partners will think about the past relationship.
 
well a marriage dose not have to be arranged for a marriage to have problems. marriage can break down if one spouse is practicing the deen and the other is not.

in the muslim world to day this seems to be the reason for high divorce rate and unhappiness and miserable atmosphere among married couples

And when you have a spouse not practicing many problems come in to the marriage like he may not be lowering his gaze.. he wears inappropriate clothing. he speaks vulgar and has anger issues. today these are issues which our sisters are facing and this is why they turn to divorce to seek peace because when your partner dose not have iman it effects everything.

Marwen you raised some good points such as the guy still keeping in contact with old girlfriends that he had dated in the past, again this is all because of the spouse not practicing
 
This happens when your marriage is arranged. But when you marry someone you love , you don't need to make comparisons or think about your past partners.

The divorce rate is high because people in Islam don't marry who they love. They marry what's best according to their parents. So it's obvious that partners will think about the past relationship.

The comment above makes no sense.
1) We have already agreed that Muslim divorce rates would be lower, not higher.
2) How can they think about past relationships when technically there would be no past relationships?
3) People marry for lots of reasons; parents choice maybe among the reasons for some but its not the only, or even the most important, reason for most.
 
The comment above makes no sense.
1) We have already agreed that Muslim divorce rates would be lower, not higher.
2) How can they think about past relationships when technically there would be no past relationships?
3) People marry for lots of reasons; parents choice maybe among the reasons for some but its not the only, or even the most important, reason for most.
Thanks God, someone else is thinking what I am thinking in regards to her comment.
 
This happens when your marriage is arranged. But when you marry someone you love , you don't need to make comparisons or think about your past partners.

The divorce rate is high because people in Islam don't marry who they love. They marry what's best according to their parents. So it's obvious that partners will think about the past relationship.

lol. What is love? 10 years ago I used to love the cartoon Swat Cats. I dont love them today. In the same way, what guarantee is there that I will keep loving JUST one woman for the rest of my life? lol. There is no thing called "eternal love for humans" in life. Even our love for God can increase or decrease depending on faith.

So if "Islamic people" married based on love, and not arranged marriages, there divorce rates would be lower? How so? What if 5 years down the road they stop loving each other and get divorce? So are you saying that they never "truly" loved in the first place?????? is that what you are saying??????
 
fat cat has to butt in just to comment on the sisters post i think what she means is marriage will be more successful if they are not forced to marry somebody and marry somebody who they fancy/love/like:><:
 
in islam we marry who we like so what is the fuss all about?......there is a high divorce rate because couples are not fully acquainted with the rights and responsibilites that come with marriage they've neglected Allah's commands :(
 
I would say that regardless of whether a couple marries out of love or as part of an arranged marriage, a marriage is something which will have to grow and develop.

Whether it is the early infatuation with each other (in the love marriage) or the early awkwardness and uncertainty with each other (in an arranged marriage), the two partners will hopefully move on from those first emotions to grow together in mutual respect, love (yes, LOVE, but not simply lust) and care for each other.

If they continue with their early emotional state instead of maturing into a more meaningful relationship, then the marriage may well not be stable enough to last ... regardless of whether it was a love or arranged marriage ...
 
I would say that regardless of whether a couple marries out of love or as part of an arranged marriage, a marriage is something which will have to grow and develop.

Whether it is the early infatuation with each other (in the love marriage) or the early awkwardness and uncertainty with each other (in an arranged marriage), the two partners will hopefully move on from those first emotions to grow together in mutual respect, love (yes, LOVE, but not simply lust) and care for each other.

If they continue with their early emotional state instead of maturing into a more meaningful relationship, then the marriage may well not be stable enough to last ... regardless of whether it was a love or arranged marriage ...

That's how it's intended to be, yes indeed. I totally agree with what you say. It's a development process.
 
fat cat has to butt in just to comment on the sisters post i think what she means is marriage will be more successful if they are not forced to marry somebody and marry somebody who they fancy/love/like:><:

sis fat cat :D,

but she has no evidence for that. I doubt if majority of "Islamic people" are forced to marry ... as she is saying ...
 
lol. What is love? 10 years ago I used to love the cartoon Swat Cats.
What you say is ridiculous because you compare the love for cartoon to the love for a human being. You even claim to be a "scientist", yet you make these silly comparisons.
Love can increase/decrease but once it comes, never goes. So when you start t love someone for real, you won't cease to love them just like you did with a cartoon.
It's also silly how you compare love for a woman with love for a cartoon. You think woman can be loved like a cartoon? *facepalm*

cay eyes said:
at cat has to butt in just to comment on the sisters post i think what she means is marriage will be more successful if they are not forced to marry somebody and marry somebody who they fancy/love/like
Yes, that's what I meant.
If you marry someone you love, chances are less for a divorce.

Clearly, people who don't know what is love, can't understand what I'm saying. They just follow what they've been told to do and what they've been told to marry.
 

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