The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

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their rights stop where my rights begin. if them trying to follow their rights infringe on mine, they have an obligation to stop.

Then it becomes your prerogative to tell them personally that you don't like what they're doing - it doesnt change the general ruling of photography and uses.

Islamically, I've told you, most traditional orthodox Muslim scholars in Saudi believe that taking pictures of humans for purposes other than education/ID is wrong. I follow more or less the same school of thought.

That's fine - I just have a problem with the way the article is written and it's premise/conclusion.
 
The Prophet said: 'Make things easy (for people) and do not make them difficult, and cheer people up and do not drive them away.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)
although
I wouldn't so much concentrate on the route of gentleness and kindness of the prophet so much as Islam being a transcendent, progressive religion that suits all people of all times..Do you think that if Khalid ibn Ilwaleed were with us today that he'd fight his battles with a sword or bow and arrow? or that he'd be standing open in a field to be taken down by a sniper?
Did the prophet in spite of telling us not to imitate the disbelievers send envoys out to see what is appropriate for modern warfare which included leather armors.. was the battle of the trench not originally a Persian invention?
Salman
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was to play an important role in the struggles of the growing Muslim State. At the battle of Khandaq, he proved to be an innovator in military strategy. It was he who suggested digging a ditch or khandaq around Madinah to keep the Quraysh army at bay. When Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Makkans, saw the ditch, he said, ‘This stratagem has not been employed by the Arabs before.’ Salman
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participated in all of the other campaigns of the Prophet
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thereafter. He was also with Saad in the conquest of Iraq. After the grand victory, the Caliph Umar
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chose him because of his knowledge of the terrain, to select the land upon which Kufa was to be built.
http://www.inter-islam.org/Biographies/SalmanfarsiR.htm

Islam goes with fitrah and Islam is yousr..
Moderation
The Prophet said: 'The religion (of Islam) is easy. No one ever made it difficult without it becoming too much for him. So avoid extremes and strike a balance, do the best you can and be cheerful, and seek Allah's help (through prayer) in the morning, and evening, and part of the night.'
(Sahîh Bukhârî)

Not everything lies between porn and abstinence and although it is better to err on the side of caution, it is also important to fully understand the ramification of what we are putting out there..

:w:


 
The reason picture, sculpture, including photography are associated with "shirk" or "polytheism" is irrelevant and outdated. At the time the Prophet lived, people can easily fell to shirk and polytheism when they're making living creature's sculpture and picture.
i don't agree with that take bro since it is still practiced and not an outdated hadeeth - the prophet pbuh brought with him the complete message.

there are many hindus who hang framed pictures of idols and put necklaces of flowers around them then worship them on the way in and out of home.

i disagree with hanging posters of people on walls and only put quran lettering and swords etc on the walls.
i don't however disagree (personally) with picz of loved ones etc in your photo album for memories sake and to show loved ones abroad, or looking at childhood picz and seeing how you've grown etc and remembering moments of happiness.
say for instance i had a grandmother in a different country and she wanted to see my children and i couldn't go.
i don't see anything wrong with switching on skype for her to talk to them or sending her photos to see how they look, it would be like her seeing them live.

or asking to see a picture of an enemy soldier etc,
sometimes people paste pictures of lost children all over the place so that they can be identified - this is for practical purposes and not for worship or display etc. the intent is totally reverse of idolatry.

what i am against is putting picz of people up on walls for decoration and especially venerating them.
do you know that there are people who have photos of their ancestors above the doorway and bow and clasp their hands for blessing on the way out?

the hadith on pictures really requires looking at context and just because it mentions inanimate objects doesn't mean that it's ok to hang up a picture of a stone or tree and worship it.
if i saw anyone bowing down in front of a picture of the ka'bah as an act of worship, i would forbid it or remove the pic - despite it being inanimate.
'Umar (ra) had the tree mentioned in the Quran - the tree of Hudaybiyah cut down because people were paying respect to it and held it in esteem as the one the Prophet pbuh took the oath of death from his (pbuh) companions from under. and the place which was at the centre of the truce which gave victory to Islam.
it is not forbidden to have a tree but when people venerate it - Allah's anger is stirred.

it seems that there is a serious lack of spirit in some of these interpretations - in that they stray far from word and intent.
 
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The Prophet said: 'Make things easy (for people) and do not make them difficult, and cheer people up and do not drive them away.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)
although
I wouldn't so much concentrate on the route of gentleness and kindness of the prophet so much as Islam being a transcendent, progressive religion that suits all people of all times..Do you think that if Khalid ibn Ilwaleed were with us today that he'd fight his battles with a sword or bow and arrow? or that he'd be standing open in a field to be taken down by a sniper?
Did the prophet in spite of telling us not to imitate the disbelievers send envoys out to see what is appropriate for modern warfare which included leather armors.. was the battle of the trench not originally a Persian invention?
Salman
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was to play an important role in the struggles of the growing Muslim State. At the battle of Khandaq, he proved to be an innovator in military strategy. It was he who suggested digging a ditch or khandaq around Madinah to keep the Quraysh army at bay. When Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Makkans, saw the ditch, he said, ‘This stratagem has not been employed by the Arabs before.’ Salman
rah27X23-1.gif
participated in all of the other campaigns of the Prophet
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thereafter. He was also with Saad in the conquest of Iraq. After the grand victory, the Caliph Umar
rah27X23-1.gif
chose him because of his knowledge of the terrain, to select the land upon which Kufa was to be built.
http://www.inter-islam.org/Biographies/SalmanfarsiR.htm

Islam goes with fitrah and Islam is yousr..
Moderation
The Prophet said: 'The religion (of Islam) is easy. No one ever made it difficult without it becoming too much for him. So avoid extremes and strike a balance, do the best you can and be cheerful, and seek Allah's help (through prayer) in the morning, and evening, and part of the night.'
(Sahîh Bukhârî)

Not everything lies between porn and abstinence and although it is better to err on the side of caution, it is also important to fully understand the ramification of what we are putting out there..

:w:



sister, come on. Comparing laser guided missiles with cameras?

Preparation for Jihad is one of the foremost obligations of a Muslim. Hence it only makes sense that we are supposed to utilize all resources to gain an upper hand over the enemy.

I dont see where layman photography comes in. Photographing enemies' general? Yup, great, for assassination. But come one, taking pics beside CN tower? Or worse, in front of kaabah just for pic's sake??? taking 1-2 pics for showing old grand ma grand pa back home, I understand that, but a whole frigging album of human elements? :SS In doing so, ppl rarely do ibahada in front of kaaba and focus more on taking pics.
 
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sister, come on. Comparing laser guided missiles with cameras?

Preparation for Jihad is one of the foremost obligations of a Muslim. Hence it only makes sense that we are supposed to utilize all resources to gain an upper hand over the enemy.

I dont see where layman photography comes in. Photographing enemies' general? Yup, great, for assassination. But come one, taking pics beside CN tower? Or worse, in front of kaabah just for pic's sake??? taking 1-2 pics for showing old grand ma grand pa back home, I understand that, but a whole frigging album of human elements? :SS In doing so, ppl rarely do ibahada in front of kaaba and focus more on taking pics.

It is about usage always isn't it?
cocaine is bad right? can you think of at least one good usage for it? or its cousins from the amide group?

:w:
 
Assalamu-alaikum,


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[TD="class: FacetAltDataTD, colspan: 2"]my question is weather pictures are haram in islam
i know drawing eyes is haram but if i use a camera and took pictures with that be considered as haram
please can you varifiy weather i am allowed to take pictures or not


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Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

During the time of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم there existed various ways of producing a picture; e.g. carving, painting, tracing, drawing, etc. The Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم prohibited all these different types of pictures. In other words, the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم declared that pictures are prohibited and not the means of taking the photo. The ruling of picture-making does not change by the changing of the tool with which the picture is produced.

The invention of a camera merely marks yet another method of taking a photo. In order to understand this further it is essential that you understand the definition of a photograph.

The Oxford Dictionary defines the term ‘photograph’ thus, “a picture taken by means of the chemical action of light on a sensitive film.”The American heritage dictionary has defined it as “An image, especially a positive print, recorded by a camera and reproduced on a photosensitive surface.” The Websters revised unabridged dictionary, “A picture or likeness obtained by photography.” These citations prove that a photograph is a picture (and not a mere reflection). Therefore, they will fall in the ambit of the explicit prohibition which is found in numerous authentic Ahadith.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam
Ml. Ismail Moosa,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=0b66273cf38064e5a88956b3fb6c690d

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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

It is not permissible for you to take pictures of the new born baby and to send it to your family members. The books of Ahadeeth are filled with warnings against those who create pictures of animate objects.

أن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال أخبرني أبو طلحة رضي الله عنه صاحب رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم وكان قد شهد بدرا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم أنه قال ( لا تدخل الملائكة بيتا فيه كلب ولا صورة ). يريد صورة التماثيل التي فيها الأرواح
(Bukhari pg570, Deoband)






Rasulullah (salallahu alaihi wasallam) has mentioned: “The Angels (of mercy) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture (i.e. of animate objects)












عن ابن عباس أن النبى -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال « من صور صورة عذبه الله بها يوم القيامة حتى ينفخ فيها وليس بنافخ
(Sunan Abi Dawood pg 329,HM Saeed )






Rasulullah (salallahu alaihi wasallam) has mentioned: “Whoever creates a picture of an animate object, Allah Ta’ala will punish him on the day of Qiyaamah until he will give life to the picture, which he will be unable to do”)












عن عائشة رضي الله عنها قالت: دخل علي النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم وفي البيت قرام فيه صور فتلون وجهه ثم تناول الستر فهتكه وقالت قال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم ( من أشد الناس عذابا يوم القيامة الذين يصورون هذه الصور )
(Bukhari pg 902, Deoband)






Hazrat Aisha (radiyallahu anha) reports that Nabi (salallahu alaihi wasallam) came to her and in the house there was a curtain which had pictures on it. His face turned colour, he took hold of the curtain and tore it. Thereafter Nabi (salallahu alaihi wasallam) remarked: “Those who create these pictures will receive the most severe of punishments on the day of Qiyaamah”.











Explain to your family members that the Shariah does not permit you to send these pictures.













And Allah knows best

Wassalam u Alaikum
Ml. Rayhaan Docrat,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=c8d5d959a99b9e9308b10996ba64a0b0

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ASSALAMALEIKUM

My question is : IS the taking of PHOTOGRAPHS ALLOWED,(I know drawing pictures of living things is not allowed -but what about taking photograph's of people etc.), can you supply me with some evidence please. I need this information quickly.- Inshallah.
Jaazakala hair.



Praise be to Allaah.

Photography (tasweer) means the taking of pictures of living, animate moving beings, like people, animals, birds, etc. The ruling is that it is forbidden on the basis of a number of reports, such as the following:

'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah, may He be exalted, says: 'Who does more wrong than the one who tries to create something like My creation? Let him create a grain of wheat or a kernel of corn.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see Fath al-Baari, 10/385).

'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it." (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa'i).

Ibn 'Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Every image-maker will be in the Fire, and for every image that he made a soul will be created for him, which will be punished in the Fire." Ibn 'Abbaas said: "If you must do that, make pictures of trees and other inanimate objects." (Reported by Muslim, 3/1871)

These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam, whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn, etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include all of these types of pictures.

The Muslim should submit to the teachings of Islam and not argue with them by saying, "But I am not worshipping them or prostrating to them!" If we think about just one aspect of the evil caused by the prevalence of photographs and pictures in our times, we will understand something of the wisdom behind this prohibition: that aspect is the great corruption caused by the provoking of physical desires and subsequent spread of immorality caused by these pictures.

The Muslim should not keep any pictures of animate beings in his house, because they will prevent the angels from entering. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/380). But nowadays, unfortunately, one can even find in some Muslim homes statues of gods worshipped by the kuffaar (such as Buddha etc.) which they keep on the basis that they are antiques or decorative pieces. These things are more strictly prohibited than others, just as pictures which are hung up are worse than pictures which are not hung up, for how easily they can lead to glorification, and cause grief or be a source of boasting! We cannot say that these pictures are kept for memory's sake, because true memories of a Muslim relative or friend reside in the heart, and we remember them by praying for mercy and forgiveness for them.

Taking pictures with a camera involves human actions such as focusing, pressing the shutter, developing, printing, and so on. We cannot call it anything other than "picture-making" or tasweer, which is the expression used by all Arabic-speakers to describe this action.

In the book Al-I'laam bi naqd kitaab al-halaal wa'l-haraam, the author says: "Photography is even more of an imitation of the creation of Allaah than pictures which are engraved or drawn, so it is even more deserving of being prohibited… There is nothing that could exclude photography from the general meaning of the reports." (p. 42, see also Fataawa Islamiyyah, 4/355).

Among the scholars who have discussed the issue of photography is Shaykh Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani, who said: "Some of them differentiate between hand-drawn pictures and photographic images by claiming that the latter are not products of human effort, and that no more is involved than the mere capturing of the image. This is what they claim. The tremendous energy invested the one who invented this machine that can do in few seconds what otherwise could not be done in hours does not count as human effort, according to these people! Pointing the camera, focusing it, and taking the picture, preceded by installation of the film and followed by developing and whatever else that I may not know about… none of this is the result of human effort, according to them!

Some of them explain how this photography is done, and summarize that no less than eleven different actions are involved in the making of a picture. In spite of all this, they say that this picture is not the result of human action! Can it be permissible to hang up a picture of a man, for example, if it is produced by photography, but not if it is drawn by hand?

Those who say that photography is permitted have "frozen" the meaning of the word "tasweer," restriciting it only to the meaning known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and not adding the meaning of photography, which is "tasweer" or "picture-making" in every sense - linguistic, legal, and in its harmful effects, and as is clear from the definition mentioned above. Years ago, I said to one of them, By the same token, you could allow idols which have not been carved but have been made by pressing a button on some machine that turns out idols by the dozen. What do you say to that?"
(Aadaab al-Zafaaf by al-Albaani, p. 38)

It is also worth quoting the opinion of some contemporary scholars who allow the taking of photographs but say that the pictures should not be kept: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures." (See al-Sharh al-Mumti', 2/198).

There are many bad things involved in the making of pictures. Besides the element of imitating the creation of Allaah - which is an accusation denied by many of those who make pictures - reality bears witness to the great extent of immorality and provocation of desires caused by the prevalence of pictures and picture-making nowadays.

We must remove or blot out every picture, except when it is too difficult to do so, like the pictures which are overwhelmingly prevalent in food packaging, or pictures used in encyclopaedias and reference books. We should remove what we can, and be careful about any provocative pictures that may be found. "So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can…" [al-Taghaabun 64:16 - interpretation of the meaning]

Photographs which are essential are permitted - such as those required for identity documents, or for identifying or pursuing criminals [e.g. "wanted" posters and the like - translator's note], or for educational purposes which cannot be achieved otherwise.

The principle in sharee'ah is that we should not exaggerate about what is necessary.

We ask Allaah to accept our repentance and have mercy on us, and to forgive our excesses, for He is the All-Hearing Who answers prayers. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.





Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/96832/photography




How much more proof do we want?

Where is the problem again?

The fact that these commands are not to OUR satisfaction?
If Islam is SUBMISSION to the will of Allah, then why do we find it so difficult to let go of what WE desire?



Salaam
 
This fatwa/article/whatever it is, is so irrelevant that it's almost comical. It displays an utter disregard to Usul and practicality and clearly shows that the person giving the fatwa has no idea what photography is when he quotes the hadith of the picture makers. I honestly think that it's this kind of black and white, lack of awareness, backward (yes, backward) fatwas, no matter how well intentioned they are, are means that drive people away from the deen. To me it indicates that the individual(s) writing it and quoting it are afraid to engage modernity and the state of modern society and find a way to balance it with Islam and it's principles whilst remaining within the Usul, that they write reactionary pieces like this that are devoid of practicality and substance and in all honesty, a deep understanding of fiqh. The fatwa clearly fails to distinguish between photography as an entity and of photography, i.e. what it is being used for and when - they are two different things that require two different approaches and will have two different conclusions that are certainly not black and white. Rather, to find an extreme in the wrong, and then do the lazy thing and reply with an opposite extreme fatwa like this is not helping anyone. It simply does more harm than good.

Does anyone actually think this fatwa will be taken seriously?



Perhaps if you knew anything of the man who spoke these words - you may have reconsidered your above statements.

A man who, by the will of Allah - had turned so many hearts towards Islam, whose humbleness and sincerity is almost unmatched in todays aged, who was truly a living example of this deen.

And whose manner of life was captured by the manner he left this world - after just completing tawaaf, in such close proximity to the Kaaba - a death that we can only dream of tasting.

Allah (subhanawataála) knows better than any critic here, the contents of this servants heart.

Do not be so quick to judge, to mock and disregard.

You honestly do not know what you are saying.


Wa-aliakumsalam
 
Sister Zaria, I remember when a similar thread was posted on WUP. In that thread, many had posted evidences from the fatwah of a few different mufti's regarding this issue - and after careful consideration of all the fatwas, we agreed that they were all right, according to the context they were meant to be understood in.

Al Haythm (Alhazen modern English) was the scientist who invented the first camera. He also did remarkable work on understanding how the eye works. He was also the first man to practice the cataract removal from patients. The tools he invented for this practice, are still used in hospitals today, many centuries later...

I was going to get involved in this debate earlier, but I stayed away because I wanted to see if this thread would go the same way as it did in WUP or if there would be some thing new coming to light here. Nothing new has been posted here - just a repeat of what happened in WUP, but this time round I find that a very rigid adoption of the fiqh has been propagated here.

You know, a thought you should consider is this: If photographing someone is haraam, then so should making a moving image of someone too, right? Yet, today we have Muslim TV channels, we have Youtube with Muslim speakers, we have islamic mulitimedia... are these all haraam now? really? Because I don't think so, I don't believe for one second that these are haraam. And ofcourse, we must also consider that the Muslim shiekhs who speak in these recorded lectures, also know the fiqh regarding the making of images - and their wisdom allows them to discern whether they are providing a benefit for the ummah or if they are leading it away from deen. They believe they are providing some benefit to the ummah, and therefore allowed the recording. Rightly so in my opinion.

As someone mentioned earlier, a photo is a captured image, of reality - and not some ones rendering by hand of that reality, not an 'artistic' version of it, not a misrepresentation of it... in this way, a parallel is drawn between it (the photo) and a reflection from a pool of water, or a mirror. Because that is essentially what it is Zaria.

Cameras didn't exist in the Prophet pbuh's day, and all images were artistic representations. And in those times, people were prone to taking images/carvings etc of made up entities and worshipping them, this was polytheism (shirk) or blatant kufr (unbelief) dependant on the case.

To play advocate, there are Hindu's and Sikh's who will put up photo's of their holy men and dress them with flowers and even make offerings to these photo's - this is also shirk / kufr...

But find me a Muslim who does this... We are not so simple minded and faithless that we cannot discern a futility from a benefit. Muslim's today, don't even allow family photo's to be hung up on display within homes, for fear of negating their tawheed. The same Muslim's watch television or browse the net, etc, read books, look at complicated pictures (yes, drawings) of anatomy for their doctorate etc etc etc... tell me, if these images were not made for the benefit of the human race, then why is it that today - the human race has managed to move so far ahead of it's pre-peer generations?

I honestly believe that photography is not haraam, as long as it is not used for vain purposes. If it is used as a means to help educate, or to provide some real benefit, then yes - permissible by every and all standards.


Scimi
 
Assalamu-alaikum brother Scimi,

If I remember well, the discussion on wup that you are referring to was actually a thread on the permissibility of watching TV - the transgressions of which are even more extensive than mere photography.

And as i recall, you had posted a fatwa from Mufti Ebrahim Desai as well - which actually supported the prohibition of this form of picture-making.


I somehow expected this reaction to this topic.

The fact is, it is not up to me, or us to change the above that has been posted - from scholars way more learned in this field than most of us here - who have done nothing more than quote Quraan and authentic ahadith.

For those who wish to deny this, and continue to merrily take photos of their loved ones, etc - so be it.

This was merely a reminder for everyone here, including myself (btw - the original post was emailed to me this week, as I am a subscriber to this website: http://www.yunuspatel.co.za/
As you may see, it is currently the featured article).


For those who wish to consider these advices, and spend some time introspecting, and insha Allah, make some changes soley for the pleasure of Allah Taa'la (as difficult as it may be for us) - Alhamdulillah.

May Allah guide each and every one of us onto the right path, the straight path, and the path that is free from doubt.


Salaam
 
The fact is, it is not up to me, or us to change the above that has been posted - from scholars way more learned in this field than most of us here - who have done nothing more than quote Quraan and authentic ahadith.

The same men also don't mind being video'd and having them shown all over the web... or even on Islamic TV channels... see my point? With their wisdom, they were able to discern that what they were doing was good thing, propagating Islam... and not a bad thing ie: singing and dancing or making you disbelieve...

The law of duality dictates a very simple logic: A good thing abused, becomes bad... but a bad thing abused can never become good. TV / Internet / Photography - dependant on how you use it, can either provide a benefit, or do harm... all dependent upon the intention. Times have changed, a lot. People have forgotten how to think using Common Sense... so much so that I cannot even call it common sense anymore. I prefer to call it Uncommon Sense, that's how rare it is nowadays.

Scimi
 
The same men also don't mind being video'd and having them shown all over the web... or even on Islamic TV channels... see my point? With their wisdom, they were able to discern that what they were doing was good thing, propagating Islam... and not a bad thing ie: singing and dancing or making you disbelieve...

The law of duality dictates a very simple logic: A good thing abused, becomes bad... but a bad thing abused can never become good. TV / Internet / Photography - dependant on how you use it, can either provide a benefit, or do harm... all dependent upon the intention. Times have changed, a lot. People have forgotten how to think using Common Sense... so much so that I cannot even call it common sense anymore. I prefer to call it Uncommon Sense, that's how rare it is nowadays.

Scimi


Akhi, you will be unable to find images on-line/ in written material (as far as I can tell) of Mufti Ebrahim Desai and Maulana Yunus Patel - even though they have web-sites, audio lectures and youtube lectures (by Mufti Desai).

This discussion is addressed to those who are engaged in the abuse of photography - i.e. photos not taken out of necessity.

With regards to permitting a lesser evil, for the purpose of a greater good (dawah, education, etc) - Yes, Alhamdulillah, this is true.

And yes, we will find scholars who make use of these means.
Then again - not all are as comfortable with this.....as examples, those mentioned above.

In this regard, Allah (subhanawataála) is the final judge, SubhanAllah.

I just want to add at this point - there are far too many videos today, falling under the banner of 'Islamic education', 'dawah', 'awareness', etc. that do not take the seriousness of this issue into account.
The vast majority of these can convey the same message, without the need of unnecessary animations/ human imagery.
One may argue - that the 'impact' of the video will be lessened, etc.

And this may be so.

However, at the end of the day we should be asking ourselves: If our Prophet (sallahu alaihi wasalam) were here today, will he approve? - Will he be able to watch, or will he turn away?

And Allah Taa'la knows best.


Salaam
 
As someone mentioned earlier, a photo is a captured image, of reality - and not some ones rendering by hand of that reality, not an 'artistic' version of it, not a misrepresentation of it... in this way, a parallel is drawn between it (the photo) and a reflection from a pool of water, or a mirror. Because that is essentially what it is Zaria.

what about photoshoping captured photos and altering the "reality" or the creation of Allah by removing blemishes or all the other stuff.

how is this altering of photos different from painting?

even basic click of a camera involves altering reality. When you take a pic, you are not "capturing reality." You are altering reality with tons of algorithsm in the camera's software which alter brightness, contrast, color shades, and even the way you appear changing skin tones. So no, cameras dont capture reality at all. They only capture, in a primitive form, a sub-set of reality.

You can counterargue by sayign that even Allah created our eyes such that we dont capture reality, we only see between 400-700 nm. You are right, but thats how God created us. No comparison with what we created.

I am not against modern tech and cameras, heck I have a dslr myself. I am against needless human portrait photography. It invariably leads to professional burgeoning business of Muslim photographerss specializing in taking pics of male and female models, which only leads to fitna. And yea, wedding photography is the creepiest!
 
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what about photoshoping captured photos and altering the "reality" or the creation of Allah by removing blemishes or all the other stuff.
If we're going to go into such ancillary topics then let me ask this.. what makes the mufti 'Maulana' do you not think it is haram to give someone else an honorific title that Allah swt has described himself with?
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Wain tawallaw faiAAlamoo anna Allaha mawlakum niAAma almawla waniAAma alnnaseeru

8:40 If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
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If we're going to go into such ancillary topics then let me ask this.. what makes the mufti 'Maulana' do you not think it is haram to give someone else an honorific title that Allah swt has described himself with?
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Wain tawallaw faiAAlamoo anna Allaha mawlakum niAAma almawla waniAAma alnnaseeru




8:40 If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
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sister Maulana in Urdu refers to the one who worships Allah, has a close relationship with Him. It is related to the now derogatory Urdu word Mullah. Maulana does not refer to the Arabic word Mawla which means Lord.
 
sister Maulana in Urdu refers to the one who worships Allah, has a close relationship with Him. It is related to the now derogatory Urdu word Mullah. Maulana does not refer to the Arabic word Mawla which means Lord.

Mawla doesn't mean lord in Arabic be that as it may, what does Mullah mean?
 


Mawla doesn't mean lord in Arabic be that as it may, what does Mullah mean?
Mullah comes from Maula Wala which means the one who has Allah, which essentially means a pious believer of Allah.

It is a derogatory term among the Pakis who are still slaves of British colonialists, who first gave the negative stereotype to the word Mullah.

The end result of human portrait photography? Such portraits end up on currency bills, which we keep so dearly in our pockets. Portrats of despots and leeches like "Queen" elizabeth.
 
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Mullah comes from Maula Wala which means the one who has Allah, which essentially means a pious believer of Allah.
Ok thank you, then let me answer your other question with a question. Do you subscribe to the notion that there are colors not within our narrow range of electromagnetic wavelengths and that things as perceived by our vision or interpreted by our mind aren't always the complete picture?
 

Ok thank you, then let me answer your other question with a question. Do you subscribe to the notion that there are colors not within our narrow range of electromagnetic wavelengths and that things as perceived by our vision or interpreted by our mind aren't always the complete picture?

yea of course, everyones visual cortex I am sure works a tiny bit differently. I added that in my previous post, in regards to our eyes. Eyes are however Allah's creation, as opposed to cameras.
 
yea of course, everyones visual cortex I am sure works a tiny bit differently. I added that in my previous post, in regards to our eyes. Eyes are however Allah's creation, as opposed to cameras.

And I'd argue that a camera isn't a creation rather an invention to capture the beauty of creation!
 


And I'd argue that a camera isn't a creation rather an invention to capture the beauty of creation!

being an amateur photographer myself, I agree with you. I love taking pics of natural beauty of landscapes and skies. Problem comes with capturing "humans." Or painting humans. Or putting them on masjids or house walls.
 
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