The rights of non-Muslims under Islam?

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As in the Catholic church, you have one cup and everyone takes a sip,
Peace,
Hana
during sermon we are not receiving the wine from the priest anymore. Only in orthodox religion is kept to share the wine during the sermon.We have only to take the bread.. i need to search the english word
 
during sermon we are not receiving the wine from the priest anymore. Only in orthodox religion is kept to share the wine during the sermon.We have only to take the bread.. i need to search the english word

Confused. Are you saying the Catholic Church doesnt use wine anymore?
 
Confused. Are you saying the Catholic Church doesnt use wine anymore?
During the sermon only the priest drinks from the glass a little wine. The people are not drinking from the glass.
 
During the sermon only the priest drinks from the glass a little wine. The people are not drinking from the glass.

Yeah, but there is a seperate line to drink the wine in every Mass I have been to, if I recall correctly.
 
Yeah, but there is a seperate line to drink the wine in every Mass I have been to, if I recall correctly.

I see a correlation between wine consumption and fornication.
 
Hello!

This thread seems to be drifting off into the great unknown ... :rollseyes

Does anybody have any additional information with regards to the rights of non-Muslims under Islam - on top of the information already given?

I would be interested to hear how Muhammed and the early Muslim communities treated non-Muslims ... :)

Peace.
 
As far as the Jews are concerned

1.During the life of Prophet Muhammad, the Jews in Madina had a synagogue and an educational institute by the name of Bait-Al-Madras. He made sure it was preserved as well as all the Jews attending it were protected.

2.The Prophet of Islam made several treaties with the Jews. Following is an extract of a message that he wrote to form a treaty:

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful. This message is from Muhammad, Messenger of God. Verily, whoever follows us from the Jews shall have the help and the aid; and shall neither be victim of injustice, nor taken vengeance upon. The Jews of the children of Awf are safe with the Faithful. They have their religion and the Muslims theirs and themselves, except those who oppress or sin, they will forfeit themselves and their families. The Jews of Bani Al-Najjar, of Bani Al-Harith, of Bani Saaedah, of Bani Aws and of Bani Belanah are Jews like the others.

As far as the Christians are concerned

1.The Prophet honored the Christians of Najran from Yemen who visited him in his own mosque in Madina. The Christians prayed according to Christian fashion inside the mosque, and the Prophet and his followers prayed in Muslim tradition.

2.The Prophet respected the autonomy of the Christian churches. The nomination and the appointment of bishops and priests was left to the Christian community itself.

3. Prophet Muhammad promoted cooperation between Muslims and Christians in the political arena as well. The prophet selected a non-Muslims and delegated him as his ambassador to Negus, the king of Ethiopia. The name of that ambassador was 'Amr-ibn-Umaiyah-ad-Damri.

4.During the days of the Prophet, there were two super powers, the Persians and the Romans. The Romans adopted Christianity while the Persians adopted atheist beliefs. Those two super powers were at war with each other. During that period, Muslims were a small minority in the Arabian Peninsula. They prayed to Almighty God that the Romans would win the war against the Atheistic forces. The feelings and the beliefs of the Muslims were based on the fact that the Romans were part of the People of the Book. (See Qur'an 30: 1-7)

5.The Prophet sent a message to the Monks of Saint Catherine in Mount Sinai. The English translation of that document is as follows:

This is a message written by Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christians is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgement and the end of the world.

Contemporary Treatment of Non-Muslims

Non-Muslims flourished in the Muslim world in all aspects of life even after the abolition of colonialism. Anywhere a person goes in both the Arab world and the non-Arab Muslim world, he will see Christians and Jews. They have lived freely in the Muslim community and have thrived in the fields of religion, education, economics, politics, health, industry, farming, housing, banking, festivities, and social services.

In several Muslim countries like Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Algeria or Sudan, etc. there are a large number of Christians in the highest political levels of the government.

Today there are forces that seem to be propelling a clash of civilizations, but let us build a bridge of understanding and mutual respect through the exploration of commonalities among all civilizations.
 
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Thanks, Tabbaya

Presumably the beforementioned rulings on pork, alcohol and free-mixing between genders were in place then as they are now?
Or did those rules apply to the other religious grous at that time, too? (I know some did, at least for Jews, but I don't know if all)

Thanks.
 
Ow dear, i didn't mean having sex in public, i meant simply enjoying each others company in a park, kissing etc.
Not having sex.

If people find that offensive they should close there eyes.
I don't judge and bother people who pray in public or something.
So respect each others way of life.

Yes it's different but you shouldn't bother me with it unless it directly harms you in some way.

Clearly though a Sharia run state would be a racist state.
As you would be judged and treated according to your religion and not your abilities.
Why wouldn't a non-Muslim be capable of handing out welfare checks?
They seem to be more then capable of doing so in most developed Western nations.
 
Ow dear, i didn't mean having sex in public, i meant simply enjoying each others company in a park, kissing etc.
Not having sex.

If people find that offensive they should close there eyes.
I don't judge and bother people who pray in public or something.
So respect each others way of life.

Exactly, respect each other's way of life. When in a Muslim country, respect the laws of that country. If you are in a country where fondling is considered offensive....don't do it....simple.

Yes it's different but you shouldn't bother me with it unless it directly harms you in some way.

In Islam, we do feel public displays of affection are harmful, not to mention unneccessary. So, again, it comes down to respecting the laws and culture of the country you are in.

Clearly though a Sharia run state would be a racist state.
As you would be judged and treated according to your religion and not your abilities.

Where did you get that from?

Why wouldn't a non-Muslim be capable of handing out welfare checks?
They seem to be more then capable of doing so in most developed Western nations.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. :rollseyes

Peace,
Hana
 
Ow dear, i didn't mean having sex in public, i meant simply enjoying each others company in a park, kissing etc.
Not having sex.

If people find that offensive they should close there eyes.
I don't judge and bother people who pray in public or something.
So respect each others way of life.

Yes it's different but you shouldn't bother me with it unless it directly harms you in some way.

Clearly though a Sharia run state would be a racist state.
As you would be judged and treated according to your religion and not your abilities.
Why wouldn't a non-Muslim be capable of handing out welfare checks?
They seem to be more then capable of doing so in most developed Western nations.


Since u would be living in a Muslim country, it would offend that person because it goes against their way of life and Islamic culture of that country. Why would u wana kiss in public when u can do that in the vicinity of ur home? Domestic matters stay within the house. They dont leave the house for people to know about. Unfortunately sometimes, i end up seeing that on my way to class. Even though its not me doing it, i feel embarassed. i shouldnt have to see it when my whole point is not to see it or do it. So imagine u doing that in a Muslim country. That wouldnt make a Sharia run state racist. The whole point of an Islamic state is implementing Islamic laws. If they allowed you to do that, then what would be the difference between a Western country or an Islamic country? Judging peoples "moral ethics" or "etiquettes" is not judging someones religion. Kissing in public i guarantee u is not allowed in religion im sure. So u cannot say ur being judged because of ur religion. In a Sharia run state a person is only judged for their abilities. Even in the time of Muhammad(pbuh), thats what they were judged on. They were very much honored. I even gave an example previously.
 
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come on he obviously means discreetly

Salam Alaikum:

Discreetly or not, it is still illegal under both the Shariah and Government imposed laws. He's trying to say Islam is unjust because it prevents him from performing such acts. The sister was correctly pointing out that it is also not permitted under non-shariah law.

Isn't it unfair he is finger pointing at Islamic laws when his own laws do not permit the same thing?

Wasalam,
Hana
 
it would be interesting to note that Judiasm and christianity both also forbid eating (pigs) pork, ham or pickled pig feet... I believe it was saint paul that allowed it... I don't think Jesus endorsed eating it........ pls, correct me if I am wrong.. is there a place in the bible where Jesus allows the eating of pigs? I think if we get down to the nitty gritty we are not that different on what is allowed and what is forbidden........
 
not when the repercussions of breaking the law would be different

excuse me??? What difference does it make? Illegal is illegal... regardless of the punishment. If I steal something in the west and get caught, I might get fined, imprisoned or placed on probation. Under the Shariah Law, if found guilty, you lose a hand. BOTH laws say it is illegal. According to you it's ok for someone to call Muslims racists because our punishments for illegal behavior differ??

Don't try to tell me that Islam is unfair because we don't incorporate man-made laws. And don't try to tell me that Islam infringes on the rights of non muslims because what is illegal under the Shariah is also illegal under government laws! If you live in a Muslim country....obey the law!! How difficult is that? I manage to obey the laws in my country every day with no effort at all.

Uffff, this is getting ridiculous and off topic. :heated:

Wasalam,
Hana
 
it would be interesting to note that Judiasm and christianity both also forbid eating (pigs) pork, ham or pickled pig feet... I believe it was saint paul that allowed it... I don't think Jesus endorsed eating it........ pls, correct me if I am wrong.. is there a place in the bible where Jesus allows the eating of pigs? I think if we get down to the nitty gritty we are not that different on what is allowed and what is forbidden........

Salam Alaikum Sister:

There is a whole pork topic here: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/21352-why-do-christians-eat-pork.html

Lots of reading there too. lol

Wasalam,
Hana
 
it would be interesting to note that Judiasm and christianity both also forbid eating (pigs) pork, ham or pickled pig feet... I believe it was saint paul that allowed it... I don't think Jesus endorsed eating it........ pls, correct me if I am wrong.. is there a place in the bible where Jesus allows the eating of pigs? I think if we get down to the nitty gritty we are not that different on what is allowed and what is forbidden........

I may be wrong, but didnt Jesus say something to the effect that there is no unclean food? As for saying it is forbidden by Christianity, I am sure that 2 thousand years of Christian thought and theology would have noticed this if that were true.
 
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