The rights of non-Muslims under Islam?

[dougmusr]

Peace Doug:

Where exactly do you get that from what brother Woodrow posted? :rollseyes

Peace,
Hana

An Apostate has lost all rights as a Muslim because he has wilfully shunned his Country, family and God(swt).

I believe that people choose to not become Muslim just as they choose not to become Christian. Choice is by definition willful. In fact, the concept of reversion to Islam shows that Muslims consider all people to be born Muslim. Thus if one denies being Muslim even without embracing any other religion, this is by default a conversion which makes them an apostate.

 

[*Hana*]

I believe that people choose to not become Muslim just as they choose not to become Christian. Choice is by definition willful. In fact, the concept of reversion to Islam shows that Muslims consider all people to be born Muslim. Thus if one denies being Muslim even without embracing any other religion, this is by default a conversion which makes them an apostate.

Peace Doug:

No, if someone is born into a muslim family, are raised muslim and they choose not to follow religion, it makes them a non-practicing Muslim. Apostacy is totally different as you will see from the links brother Ansar Al-'Adl posted for you.

The topic is about rights of non-muslims according to Islam, not about non-practicing Muslims or apostates of Islam. But, feel free to open another thread regarding non-practicing Muslims or add your comments to the already created threads regarding Apostacy.

The fact is, the true teachings and practices of Islam guarantees a non-muslims right to worship without harassment. Whether all leaders of predominately Muslims countries abide by this is also a different matter, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the teaching of Islam.

Peace to you,
Hana

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ok stoned to death then?

 

[syilla]

Well I cant agree with that at all. There is obviously no freedom of religion regardless of what people may say about Malaysia. If this is true, there is nothing anyone can post that would make me think otherwise.

he is a practise lawyer....so he is talking about the malaysia law...

 

[dougmusr]

No, if someone is born into a muslim family, are raised muslim and they choose not to follow religion, it makes them a non-practicing Muslim. Apostacy is totally different as you will see from the links brother Ansar Al-'Adl posted for you.

I'll read up on apostasy links. I do however believe that it is not possible to be a non-practising Muslim. If this forum is correct:

The word "Islam" is an Arabic word that means "submitting and surrendering your will peacefull to Almighty God". The Arabic word "Muslim" literally means "someone who submits to the will of God".

So one who isn't practising Islam is not submitted, and therefore can't be called a Muslim. The same is true for Christianity. A person must be "born again", ie: a willful conversion, to be a Christian. There's a joke that says sitting in church doesn't make anyone a Christian any more than sitting in a garage makes anyone a car.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I do however believe that it is not possible to be a non-practising Muslim.
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For someone not to be Muslim, they have to declare it. There are people who are proud to call themself a Muslim but are too lazy to pray. Thats non-practicing

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

So one who isn't practising Islam is not submitted, and therefore can't be called a Muslim.

No, a Muslim who isn't practicing Islam is sinning and is therefore a Fâsiq (sinner), but we cannot call them a Kâfir unless they disbelieve in Islam. Just because we say they are Muslims does not necessitate that they are 100% submitted to the command of God in every aspect.

As I said before this thread is about the rights of non-muslims under Islam, not the rights of Muslims under Islam. Off-topic posts will be removed.

Regards

 

[ACC]

he is a practise lawyer....so he is talking about the malaysia law...

Yes, as am I (talking about the Malaysian law that is).

 

[Woodrow]

So you are saying that people who do not embrace Islam do not do it willfully, but those that leave it do so willfully?

No, we recognise a person may wilfully be any religion they desire.


However, once a person becomes Muslim, it is with the understanding that it is a life time commitment and there is no turning back. Being Muslim goes beyond what most people consider religion. It is a 100% commitment in all phases of ones life. If a person betrays that commitment it is a betrayal to all of Islam. A non-Muslim has not made that commitment, so he can not betray that which he has not made a commitment to.


Now let us return to the topic. This thread is about the rights of a Non-Muslim in a Muslim country. The lose of rights for an Apostate is a totaly different matter.

Essentialy a Non-Muslim has quite a few guaranteed rights. Under shariah law a Non-Muslim would not be a citisen of an Islamic country. That is not as odd as it first looks. Shariah is based on the Qur'an, if a person is to follow shariah law it would not make any sense for them not to be Muslim. Sort of like it would not make sense for a non-Catholic to be a citisen of Vatican City. A non-Catholic would be treated well and fairly, but it would not make any sense to swear to uphold the rules of the Catholic church unless a person is Catholic.

 

[جوري]

if you fail to see the contradiction in your statement there's no need in further discussion which will no doubt be futile:uuh:

It is my feeling that you are still stuck at kohlberg preconventional level of moral and psycho-social development...You interject other people's posts not parting with much substance rather a scathing comment or two. I am not sure where your discussion was ?......for you to impart a "further discussion" which will undoubtedly prove futile? what exactly is that? other than an (open & closed) sentence from which the reader is unable to discern cause or effect or a viable conclusion?... I think it is best Islamically encouraged even when/if you see wrong to right it.....please point out the "contradiction" should you wish to loan your statements some credence, or help a fellow Muslim recognize the wrong of their ways?! if indeed you had sincere intent and not a personal agenda?... ... It is a child that blathers and a man that speaks his mind........
waslaam

 

[wilberhum]

Isn’t all of this pointless since there are no “Islamic Countries”?

 

[Woodrow]

Isn’t all of this pointless since there are no “Islamic Countries”?

I agree with you. i think what the Original Poster actually means "Is what are the rights of a non-Muslim in a predominatly Muslim Country"

 

[Aznan]

I believe all the post before this has answered this thread's own title-question which is "The Rights of Non-Muslims Under Islam"...

Its not about any supposedly utopian country nor the title warrants the discussion about the rights of Muslim in a Muslim country, apostate or otherwise. I hope that moderators would simply delete postings thats irrelevant.

 

[Woodrow]

It is apparant that the past few pots had little to do with the original topic. The question appears to have been concluded.

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