The Road to World War III

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wa iyyaki sister, I know it was not your statement. Using statements by non-Muslims can be very useful in certain arguments, I was just thinking that in some cases it would be better to introduce a clarification/qualification along with their statements.
 
2. Rothschild Zionism

When is a Jew a Jew? I rather like Woody Allen’s take on this: “I'm not a real Jew,” he said, “I'm Jew-ish”.....

Greetings,

Definition of zionism (by Oxford dictionary):
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.


So, a zionist is one (usually of jewish descent, but can be of any other background) who is seeking to establish a jewish 'homeland' in Palestine.

A true jew does not seek the displacement of an entire nation for these reasons:

WHY ORTHODOX JEWS ARE OPPOSED TO A ZIONIST STATE

First some introductions:



1) What is "The People of Israel" ?



  • The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years.​
  • They have their own particular, essential nature.​
  • The Torah is the source of their essential nature.​
  • Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel.​
  • Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of Israel.​
  • The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service.​
  • Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.​
2) What is Zionism?

  • Zionism is a relatively new thing.​
  • It has only existed for a century.​
  • Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character - a materialistic worldly nation.​
  • Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.​
  • Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.​
  • This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army.​
The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:




FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.​



SECOND
-- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.



THIRD
-- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.



FOURTH
-- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.



The Zionists claim that they are the saviors of Israel, but this is refuted by twelve things:




FIRST
-- If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel in the period of the Zionists, and it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists, as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.

SECOND -- It is openly stated in books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did - They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and they helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See the books Perfidy, Min Hameitzor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today. They incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by Leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom Jews from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland." (G-d forbid).
Weitzman said, "The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant" (May we be spared).

THIRD -- We see that most of world Jewry lives in security and under good physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist State. Whereas many people have left the Zionist State to live under better conditions in other lands.

FOURTH -- The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to immigrate to their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have to make so much propaganda.

FIFTH -- Because nobody wants the Zionists to "save" them. The only way they can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits, and even then very few people respond.

SIXTH -- The Zionist State is always threatened by the dangers of war. Whereas the rest of world Jewry live in peace and security, (Except in a few places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the flames of hatred)

SEVENTH -- The Zionist State could not continue to exist without economic support from Jews living outside of the Zionist State.

EIGHTH -- The Zionist State is on the verge of economic collapse, and their money is nearly worthless.

NINTH -- The Zionist State persecute all Jews who are loyal to their Faith.

TENTH -- They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.

ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do.

TWELFTH -- Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security it would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah the true People of Israel prefer death rather than life at such a cost.

It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune.


Even though there are some observant Jews and rabbis, who approve of the Zionists, this is not the opinion of the Torah.​


The Zionists have enough control over the American news media to make sure that only their side of the story is heard.​


They make it look like all Jewry and their rabbis are Zionists, but this is false propaganda.​


The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious Jewry are opposed to Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of American news media.​


The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against them.​


That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out.​


Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are prevented from speaking out.​



We bring three testimonies of the true opinion of the Torah.


1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.


However the true People of Israel will never change their nature or give up their Faith because of the strength the Creator gives them.​


Zionism is a foreign growth in the body of the Jewish People. The end will be that it will rid itself of this foreign growth and remain pure.​


Zionism has overcome the Jewish people by force, fraud and terror, but none of this will help them because the truth will always remain with the help of the Creator.​


Zionism will not replace the Jewish People. The Jewish People will remain strong in their faith and the Zionist State will cease to exist.​


It is therefore, our demand that the State that calls itself ISRAEL, should cease to exist. Since this won't be done, we demand that they cease to call themselves "Israel", because their entire being is in complete opposition to the true People of Israel. The true People of Israel deny them permission to call themselves by that name. The Zionist leaders have no right to set themselves up as the representatives and spokesmen of the true People of ISRAEL.​


Since we know they will not fulfill this demand either we feel that at least we cry out the truth. The truth will always remain the truth. By no means or force can the truth be changed. Even if all the world would say that one and one is three, the truth will remain that one and one is two.​


Let the truth be declared. The use of the Name "ISRAEL" by that State is a complete falsification. The People of Israel have nothing to do with that State. Zionism and its State have no share and no part in the true ISRAEL.





http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm


Based on this definition, it is relatively easy to seperate jews from zionists in senate and other key positions.


You say you have researched all the names as listed and found them to be Zionists.

Not all :exhausted, but a number of the mentioned names.

Here are a few:

Rahm Emaneul:
"Emanuel was born on November 29, 1959 in Chicago, Illinois. His father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, is a Jerusalem-born[2] pediatrician who was once a member of the Irgun, a Jewish paramilitary organization that operated in Mandate Palestine.[3]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel)

Irgun:
"The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. According to Howard Sachar, "The policy of the new organization was based squarely on Jabotinsky's teachings: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Rahm Emanuel himself was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel)


George Soros

Founder/ supporter of J-Street:
"In 2011, J-Street opposed recognizing Palestine as an independent state at the United Nations.[12]
According to its website, J Street "recognizes and supports Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people"[13] and Israel's "desire for security as the Jewish homeland, as well as the right of the Palestinians to a sovereign state of their own."[4]
…..
The initial support of J Street came from multi-billionaire George Soros, who for a brief time was associated with the organization. Soros pulled out before the initial launch, so as not to negatively affect the group.[25] In September 2010 it was revealed that despite the organization's denials, Soros secretly funded the group.[26]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Street


Lewis Eisenberg

Board member of the Republican Jewish Coalition and member of the Planning Board of the United Jewish Appeal/United Jewish Federation​


Larry Silverstein

Has served as chairman of the United Jewish Appeal.​


Richard Perle

"Author of ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm’ (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm


And the list goes on.....

I think (I hope) you are getting the picture now.


Peace
 
Greetings Zaria - another very long answer from me:

1. Ron Paul’s economics
I am not averse to Austrian School economics (which Ron Paul favours) in principle. It represents an interesting critique of modern economics. I am also attracted to the idea of minimalist government as an argument – but in extreme forms it’s unproven and has many dangers. If Ron Paul were ever to look like gaining power, I think the first result would be a financial crisis of the first order – simply because the changes are so radical and unpredictable. It would be unbelievably risky. For me, the Austrian School need to win the intellectual argument before they start trying to implement anything in real life. BUT none of this has any necessary link with NWOs or any other conspiracy theory.

2. Ron Paul general views
I do have a problem with some of Ron Paul’s other views. You may be familiar with these Ron Paul quotes from a series of newsletters he published 20 years ago:
“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks.” (1992)
“We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.” (in response to Reagan naming a national holiday after Martin Luther King).

3. Ron Paul and the NWO
Is Ron Paul a conspiracy theorist himself? He has certainly tried to attract support here and his comments can be enigmatic. However, this is definitive in regard to 9/11:
"About the conspiracy of Bush -- of Bush knowing about this? No, no, come on. Come on. Let's be reasonable. That's just off-the-wall." See also this video where he unequivocally rejects 9/11 conspiracies:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8e_1198029301
He says he can see government ineptitude in the run up to 9/11 but not collusion – and in that I wholeheartedly agree. He rejects US foreign affairs policy and international intervention because he’s an old fashioned US isolationist (you can find similar guys in the UK, mostly on the right).

4. Edward Mullins
I haven’t read of his work directly but looking at summaries, I don’t think he’ll be any more impressive than Griffin. They share many of the same views about history (Russian Revolution, French Revolution, reasons for wars etc) which are subjects about which I have read extensively, and where I strongly disagree on factual grounds (as I described before). I’ll have a look when I get a chance but I can see already he’s using the same poor quality sources as Griffin.

5. Wikipaedia
Wikipaedia articles vary in quality because of their individual contributors – however, I don’t disagree with anything you quoted here.

This article does not support your views! It tells us the meeting was secret – that’s not in dispute by anyone – but secrecy doesn’t have to mean an NWO conspiracy. As industry experts, Aldrich and the others knew the system was broken and needed reforming. But they also knew that, as bankers, they were sufficiently unpopular as to make it hard for them to sell any idea, simply because it came from their mouths. Hence the secrecy. Crucially, their proposal was in any case rejected in favour of the current structure, whereby the government controls the Fed Chairman and Board. It’s a massive difference. Wikipaedia describes these political manoeverings, no more than that.

It’s important to understand, the concepts of a central bank and fractional reserve banking are not inherently linked to an NWO or any other conspiracy. They are economic management systems with pros and cons like any other. Ron Paul objects to the Fed as an economic system and this is a legitimate criticism – although it remains a minority viewpoint. For instance, it’s very bad at explaining why countries who had adopted such sophisticated financial systems have outperformed those that did not.

As you say – the inception of the Federal Reserve is not a conspiracy. It’s an economic strategy. You can argue about how successful it’s been, but it has no necessary association with an NWO or any other political plan. You may disagree with the straightforward explanation for the Fed as a financial instrument, but there is nothing inherently odd about it.

6. Zionism
It seems to me that individuals can mean very different things by Zionism. For instance, it doesn’t necessarily mean a commitment to the current state of Israel and Israel’s wars, although it may do.

But in any case, whether or not someone is a Zionist does not prove a thing about an NWO. Does an NWO supporter even have to be a Zionist? Running through lists of Jews in high office and trying to prove they are Zionists, without any qualification about the nature of that individual Zionism, gets us nowhere.

Where is the evidence linking each of these individuals to an NWO? Forget about whether they are Zionists or not, that's a distraction. The whole NWO could be more or less as you describe, but for a purpose other than Zionism. So identifying Zionists gets us nowhere, one way or the other.

This is the gap in evidence. There is an astonishing lack of primary evidence for an NWO, as well as the participation of so many individuals, or any plausible explanation for the practicalities of ongoing recruitment of leaders in non-dynastic governments. The NWO is too high level, too conjectural – which is why people are able to hold such dramatically different views about the objectives in any given situation (Syria etc).
 
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go watch this video on youtube

watch?v=Sp-PkLlGoAE
When I pasted this in my browser it took me to a page with many videos, not one. I started playing the first (3rd world war) but it talked for some time about the need to start shooting people and I'd had enough. Does it give evidence linking individuals to an NWO later? I suspect not.
 
When I pasted this in my browser it took me to a page with many videos, not one. I started playing the first (3rd world war) but it talked for some time about the need to start shooting people and I'd had enough. Does it give evidence linking individuals to an NWO later? I suspect not.

sorry, you are out of luck, try again later
 
Greetings Zaria - another very long answer from me:

Hi,

Im not sure why you are trying to confuse things so much.....the first 3 paragraphs seem to be attempts to get lost in this topic.

Lets keep it simple.
I have not (and neither have the posted videos) discussed NWO - so lets leave that aside (thats higher grade stuff....and we are a long way away from here at the moment :P At this rate, Im not sure if we going to get there at all, lol. jk)

For now, lets focus on the Federal Reserve Bank and what you had initially mentioned.
I will post your comments here individually, and lets see if we have managed to change any of these thoughts thus far:


3. The Fed
The main engine of Jewish financial control is said to be through the Fed. But there is nothing about the Fed that doesn't make sense with its role as a legitimate financial institution.

^ I think we have shown without a shadow of a doubt that the Fed indeed is a privately owned cartel, controlled by majority jews (more specifically zionists).
And I hope, from its historical background (inception on a private island, in secrecy from the rest of the world and US senate) that its origins are really not as legitimate as many think they are.
Your theory of the bankers being unpopular (and therefore the need for secrecy) is really clutching at straws.


Like most other central banks, the Fed is a quasi public/private institution.

I hope you can now appreciate that the Fed is actually almost completely (if not entirely) privately run.
^ No differences of opinion here, I hope.


And although it is in some sense 'owned' by 12 regional banks, this is not ownership in the commonly understood sense. The controlling Board of Governors at the Fed including the Chairman are appointed by the President. The Fed is firmly under US government control and exercises policy according to government instructions.

If nothing else, I hope that you can appreciate that the Fed is actually an authority onto itself.
That actually refuses any internal or external audits.....even members of the congress dont know what is going on behind its closed doors.
Do you know of any other public system that operates in this way?






Reflect on the following words by Napoleon, made way back in 1815:
When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
– Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815



The Fed has performed the role it was created for reasonably effectively and was essential for the growth of the US economy in the 20th century.

Hence the ++trillion dollar debt?
Hence the fact that the dollar has lost over 90% of its value since the inception of the Fed?


Qui bono - Contrary to popular folklore the Fed does not significantly profit from its role.

I hope you can now understand that this certainly is no 'folklore'.
The ones to gain, are the ones who are in financial 'control'.


6. Zionism
It seems to me that individuals can mean very different things by Zionism. For instance, it doesn’t necessarily mean a commitment to the current state of Israel and Israel’s wars, although it may do.


The definition of zionism provided above is the most commonly understood/ agreed upon (I actually dont know of any other definition besides this).
I dont think we need to redefine/ challenge commonly accepted definitions.

Forget about whether they are Zionists or not, that's a distraction.

You had asked for proof that the individuals mentioned in the second vid are indeed zionists.....and now you have it.
But now you say that we should "forget about whether or not they are zionists, thats a distraction"??
How so?
Knowing who is in 'control' of US policies, the fed reserve bank, the media, etc. is of utmost importance.


For now, the above points should be clear as day - and I hope, at the very least, we are on the same page by now, before bringing any other discussion into this topic.

If not, then Im happy to say that I have provided you with the relevant information (that I am aware of; theres lots more out there), and so my duty is done.
If you still do not wish to appreciate these facts , then unfortunately, there's not much more that I can do, and we can agree to disagree on this.


Peace
 
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Hi Zaria

No, I don't take any of these points as given, not least because Griffin himself doesn't claim any of them either. At least, that's what he says. Let me explain.
I hope you can now appreciate that the Fed is actually almost completely (if not entirely) privately run.
I can understand why you think Griffin is making these arguments. That was my first impression too. But in response to a very good criticism from an economist called Edward Flaherty, who challenged him with a range of factual criticism regarding Creature, he presents an entirely different picture. Griffin disowns all of these basic tenets about the Fed that he himself has made popular.

I quote Flaherty's challenge together with Griffin's response on the key issues:ownership, profits, management, and auditing.

Ownership:
Flaherty: ‘No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank’s district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.’
Griffin:Flaherty is basically correct, and I have never claimed in my book or in my lectures that it was otherwise.’

Profits
Flaherty: ‘Nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.’
Griffin: ‘It is true that most of the money paid by the government for interest on the national debt is returned to the government.’

Auditing
Flaherty: ‘Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.’
Griffin: ‘What I wrote is: (1) The Fed resists external audit; (2) If it were audited by an independent party, I suspect there would be nothing illegal found; (3) The problem is not that it steals from the American people illegally but that it does so legally; (4) Therefore, we do not need to audit the Fed, we need to abolish it.
(If you read Griffin’s reply here carefully, you will see that he does not deny that the Fed is audited – which is a matter of public record - but for some reason he doesn’t give he claims it ‘resists’ it)

Given his hostile view of the Fed, if Griffin accepts it is publicly managed, audited and gives its profits to the government, why shouldn't I?
 
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I think it would be best to provide Griffin's complete response to Flaherty's critic:


MEET EDWARD FLAHERTY, CONSPIRACY POO-POOIST
A response to a critic of The Creature from Jekyll Island
© 2004 by G. Edward Griffin

Edward Flaherty is a Ph.D. of Economics who has been critical of my book, The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second look at the Federal Reserve. Periodically I receive inquiries from readers who have visited Flaherty's web site, and they want to know if I can rebut what he says. I put this off for a long time because, first, his critique is lengthy and loaded with minutia that requires considerable time to respond properly and, second, the number of inquiries has been so small as to place the importance of this task far down on my list of priorities. Nevertheless, whenever I get an inquiry, I dread that my reader may think that a lack of response is a sign of not being able to defend my work; so, at last, I decided to step up to the plate and swing at the ball that Flaherty has thrown in my direction.

The essence of Flaherty's critique is that anyone who opposes the Federal Reserve must be some kind of a kook, totally lacking in scholarship. He lumps all Fed critics together, those who bring scholarship to the topic as well as those who do not, and the mixture tends to discredit everyone. It is an old tactic of dumping garbage into the grocery bag so that it all smells like garbage and is rejected in total.

On September 5, 2004, I received an email from a reader who had compared comments made in my recorded lecture with what Flaherty's web site says and asked for clarification. What follows is his inquiry with my reply embedded at appropriate locations.

My reader begins by quoting from my recorded lecture, followed by a quote from Eustace Mullins:

My lecture: I came to the conclusion that the Federal Reserve needed to be abolished for seven reasons. I’d like to read them to you now just so that you get an idea of where I’m coming from, as they say. I put these into the most concise phrasing that I can to make them somewhat shocking so that, hopefully, you’ll remember them:

1. The Fed is incapable of accomplishing its stated objectives.
2. It is a cartel operating against the public interest.
3. It is the supreme instrument of usury.
4. It generates our most unfair tax through inflation and bailouts.
5. It encourages war.
6. It destabilizes the economy.
7. It discourages private capital formation.

Eustace Mullins, Secrets of the Federal Reserve: “...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 BILLION dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks.”

My reply: I stand firmly behind my seven points but I do not agree with Mullins on this. Please do not lump my work with other writers. Flaherty does this a lot. Guilt by association is a ploy that must be challenged and rejected.

Flaherty: It would be a mistake to examine these conspiracy theories....

My reply: Stop right there. There is nothing about my work that merits being classified as a conspiracy theory. In modern context, it is customary to associate the phrase “conspiracy theory” with those who are intellectually handicapped or ill informed. Using emotionally loaded words and phrases to discredit the work of others is to be rejected. If I am to be called a conspiracy theorist, then Flaherty cannot object if I were to call him a conspiracy poo-pooist. The later group is a ridiculous bunch, indeed, in view of the fact that conspiracies are so common throughout history. Very few major events of the past have occurred in the absence of conspiracies. To think that our modern age must be an exception is not rational. Facts are either true or false. If we disagree with a fact, our job is to explain why, not to use emotionally-loaded labels to discredit those who disagree with us.

Flaherty continued: ... outside the context in which they were written.

My reply: I try hard not to present text outside its context. When searching through hundreds of documents and thousands of pages, it is inevitable that some subtleties of context may be missed, but so far I have not yet been advised of any instances of this. I welcome any corrections; but, until specifics are brought to my attention, I stand firm on everything I have written. Furthermore, I resent the implication that my work could not stand without taking text out of context.

Flaherty: All the conspiracy authors whose work I study here profess a belief in the alleged ‘New World Order’ conspiracy, or some variant thereof.

My reply: An informed reader would not waste time beyond this point. It is absurd to claim that a blueprint for a New World Order based on the model of collectivism is merely “alleged.” The evidence that this is a demonstrable fact of modern history abounds. Some of that evidence is presented in my work, The Future Is Calling, found in the Issues section of this web site.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: Each of the 12 Federal Reserve banks is a privately owned corporation. Like any firm, their main objective is to maximize profits. They do so by lending the government money and charging interest. They manipulate monetary policy for their own gain, not for the public good. Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board.

(1) My reply:

Basically, Flaherty is correct as far as he goes. But, as we shall see in so many of his statements, he stops short of the entire truth. A half-truth is just as much of a deception as an outright lie.

Flaherty says that the Board of Governors is politically appointed. This is true and it is supposed to make us feel safe in the thought that the President responds to the will of the people and that he selects only those who have the public interest at heart. The part of the story omitted by Flaherty is that the President does not select these people from his own personal address book, nor does he ask the public to submit nominations.

With few exceptions, he makes appointments from lists given to him by the staffs of banking committees of Congress and from private sources that have been influential in his election campaign. The most powerful of all these groups are the financial institutions (including prominent members of the Fed itself) and the media corporations over which they have effective control.

One does not have to be a so-called conspiracy theorist to recognize the tremendous influence that these institutions have over the outcome of presidential campaigns, and anyone with knowledge of how our current political system works will understand why the President makes exactly the appointments that the banks want him to make.

All one has to do to see the accuracy of this appraisal is to examine the backgrounds and attitudes of the men who receive the appointments. While there is an occasional token individual who appears to come from the consumer sector of society,

the majority are bankers deeply committed to the perpetuation of the system that sustains them. Anyone who would seriously challenge the power of the banking cartel would never be appointed. So, while Flaherty is correct in what he says, the implication of what he says (that the Fed is subject to control of the people through the political process) is entirely false.


Flaherty: Nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

(2) My reply:

Here is another half-truth that is a whopper deception. It is true that most of the money paid by the government for interest on the national debt is returned to the government. That is because the Fed’s charter requires any interest payments in excess of the Fed’s actual operating expenses to be refunded.

However, before we jump to the conclusion that this is a wonderful benefit, we must remember that the banking cartel is able to use tax dollars to pay 100% of its operating expenses with few questions asked about the nature of those expenses. After all of those expenses are paid, what is left over is rebated to the Treasury, as Flaherty says. There is no secret about this, and you will find an explanation of it in my book. Technically, there is no “profit” on this money.

However, remember that creating money for the government is only one of the functions of the Fed. The real bonanza comes, not from money created out of nothing for the government, but from money created out of nothing by the commercial banks for loans to the private sector. That’s where the real action is. This is the famous slight-of-hand trick. Distract attention with one hand while the coin is retrieved by the other. By focusing on the supposed generosity of the Fed by returning unused interest to the Treasury, we are supposed to overlook the much larger river of gold flowing into the member banks in the form of interest on nothing as a result of consumer and commercial loans.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: Bankers and senators met in secret on Jekyll Island, Georgia in 1910 to design a central bank that would give New York City banks control over the nation’s money supply. Facts: The meeting did take place, but plans for a return to central banking were already widely known. Regardless, the proposal that came out of the Jekyll Island meeting never passed Congress. The one that did, the Federal Reserve Act, placed control over monetary policy with a public body, the Federal Reserve Board, not with commercial banks.

My reply: Here again we have a half-truth that functions as a deception. Plans for a return to central banking, indeed, were already known, but they were unpopular with the voters and large blocks of Congress. That was the very problem that led to the great secrecy. Frank Vanderlip, one of the participants at the Jekyll Island meeting, later confirmed that, if the public had known that the bankers were the ones creating legislation to supposedly “break the grip of the money trust,” the bill would never have been passed into law.

The facts presented in my book, and fully documented by references from original sources, show that my version is historical fact. Flaherty attempts to minimize these facts by implying that the original, secret meeting was not important because the first draft of the legislation was rejected.

What he does not say is that the second draft that was passed into law was essentially the same as the first. The primary difference was that Senator Aldrich’s name was removed from the title of the bill and replaced by the names of Carter Glass and Robert Owen. This was to remove the stigma of Aldrich as an icon for “big-business Republicans” and replace it with the more popular image of Democrats, “defenders of the working man.” It was a strategy advocated by Paul Warburg, one of the participants at the Jekyll Island meeting. The fact that Flaherty makes no mention of this suggests that he has not made an objective analysis but, instead, has presented a biased critique in the guise of scholarship. His statement that “the Federal Reserve Act, placed control over monetary policy with a public body, the Federal Reserve Board, not with commercial banks” cannot be taken seriously. The Federal Reserve is not a public body in any meaningful sense of the phrase.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: Through fractional reserve banking and double-entry accounting, banks are able to create new money with the stroke of a pen (or a computer keystroke). The money they lend costs them nothing to produce, yet they charge interest on it. Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank’s ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank’s operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

My reply: Flaherty presents facts that in no way contradict what I said in my book. I speak of rotten apples, and he speaks of sweet oranges. My book makes it clear that the bank’s ability to create money is tied to its reserves. The current average ratio (it varies depending on the bank) is about ten-to-one. In other words, for every one dollar on deposit and held in reserve, the bank can create up to an additional nine dollars out of nothing for the purpose of lending. The statement that the banks must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits is humorous when one considers the math. For example, let us assume for the sake of illustration that the bank pays 1.5% interest. Then it turns around and charges, let’s say 6.5% interest. That’s a spread of 5%. Although that’s a pretty good brokerage commission, it doesn’t sound exorbitant.

But, here is another of those half-truths. Don’t forget that the bank uses each deposited dollar as a so-called reserve for creating up to an additional nine dollars in loans. It collects interest on these loans as well. Let us assume that the bank is not fully loaned up, as they call it, and has an average of only eight dollars in magic-money loans for every one dollar on deposit. In that case, it will collect 6.5% interest on all eight of those dollars. That means, based on each dollar placed on deposit, the bank will collect 52% in interest. After paying the original depositor the generous “competitive” amount of 1.5%, the bank actually receives a brokerage fee of approximately 50%. When Flaherty says that “This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank’s operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money,” one can only wonder what banking system he is describing. It certainly is not the one in the United States.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: Supporters of the Federal Reserve Act knew they did not have the votes to win, so they waited to vote until its opponents left for Christmas vacation. Since a majority of senators were not present to vote on the bill, its passage is not constitutionally valid. Facts: The voting record clearly shows that a majority of the senate did vote on the bill. Although some senators had left Washington for the holiday, the Congressional Record shows their respective positions on the legislation. Even if all opponents had all been present to vote, the Federal Reserve Act still would have passed easily.

My reply: I agree with Flaherty on this issue and often have said so in the Q&A portions of my lectures. Please note that this is not contradictory to what I wrote in The Creature. What I said there is an accurate historical fact. There is little doubt in my mind that the vote would have passed eventually, but by slipping it through as they did, it circumvented the possibility of challenges and debate. I have never commented on the Constitutionality question, although I tend to think that a strict interpretation would have made this vote invalid. The problem here, however, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve Act but with the rules of Congress.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: All money is created only when someone takes out a loan. Therefore, there can never be enough of this debt-money in circulation to repay all principal and interest. This imbalance causes inflation, financial crises, social maladies, and will eventually destroy the economy unless there is a massive injection of “debt-free” money. This idea is from Dr. Jacques Jaikaran’s book, The Debt Virus. Facts: The hypothesis shows an incomplete view of how the banking system interacts with the economy. The system necessarily creates an amount of “debt-free” money equal to the interest on its loans. It does this whenever it pays operating expenses, dividends, or purchases assets. As a result, there is more than enough money in circulation to retire all bank-related debt.

My reply: I object to being lumped together with other analysts on this issue. I did not write The Debt Virus, I wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island. On page 191, I explained why I consider the claim that there is not enough money to pay off interest to be a myth

Flaherty: Hypothesis: The Federal Reserve consistently resists attempts to audit its books. This is because any independent inspection would reveal the Fed’s treachery. Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

My reply: I never wrote or implied, as Flaherty says, that “any independent inspection would reveal the Fed’s treachery.” What I wrote is: (1) The Fed resists external audit; (2) If it were audited by an independent party, I suspect there would be nothing illegal found; (3) The problem is not that it steals from the American people illegally but that it does so legally; (4) Therefore, we do not need to audit the Fed, we need to abolish it.

Flaherty: Hypothesis: Major European banks and investment houses own the Federal Reserve. From across the Atlantic they dictate monetary policy for their own benefit. Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank’s district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

My reply: Flaherty is basically correct, and I have never claimed in my book or in my lectures that it was otherwise. I do not appreciate being lumped together with those who claim foreign control over the Fed. The real danger in this line of reasoning is that it is often coupled with the argument that, if we could only get control away from foreigners and put it into the hands of Congress or the Treasury, then everything would be all right. In truth, even if the Fed were in the hands of foreigners, placing it into the hands of American bankers and politician would make little difference. The Fed does not need to be converted into a government agency. It needs to be abolished.


Given his hostile view of the Fed, if Griffin accepts it is publicly managed, audited and gives its profits to the government, why shouldn't I?

^ You are twisting his words here: he did not accept that the Fed is 'publicly managed' (see (1));

with regards to the auditing - it is a widely known fact that the Fed resists external audits (and even internal ones - refer to vid above). Which is one of the reasons why it took us so long to discover the mess we really were in: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/the-fed-audit

and he does not agree that 'profits are given to the government' (see (2)).


Is there a particular reason why you wish to 'protect' the Fed so to speak - when there are multiple investigators who confirm the same story?....

[On another note:
Does 'Other' in your profile refer to:
a) Banker
b) Jew
c) Zionist
(Its multiple choice - you can chose one....) Thanks]
 
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^ You are twisting his words here: he did not accept that the Fed is 'publicly managed' (see (1));
Yes he does, as he is obliged to when faced with the facts. However he now says that it doesn't matter if the Fed has a publicly appointed Board and Chairman or not - because the Government is corrupted too. This is a different claim. It also makes the first claim irrelevant. If the government is also under conspiracy control, what does it matter if the Fed is public or private? He has changed the subject because the first claim is demonstrably untrue.

It's also not the claim he made in his book, which he has been obliged to retreat from.

with regards to the auditing - it is a widely known fact that the Fed resists external audits
Whether or not the Fed 'resists' audits is not the big issue - the fact is that it is fallacious to claim that it is 'unaudited', which is the original claim. Because it is regularly audited. The original claim is either poor scholarship, or a lie.

and he does not agree that 'profits are given to the government' (see (2))
Again, you are not reading him closely enough. He does agree that profits are rebated to the government - however, he now makes the new claim that this doesn't matter because the real money is to be made from re-loaning the money (ie fractional reserve banking). This is a different claim. It's true the banks make a profit from this, through their own activity. However, the banks were already doing this before they became part of the Fed. They can do this with any reserves from deposits and savings. He has changed the subject because the first claim is demonstrably untrue.

Once again, he is obliged to withdraw a false claim about profits, and reconstitute it in an entirely different form.

Is there a particular reason why you wish to 'protect' the Fed so to speak - when there are multiple investigators who confirm the same story?....
Most of them are from the same stable, who quote and plagiarise each other freely.

So, the phrases I quoted in the post above accurately reflect Griffin's views on those specific subjects, but not the new, entirely different set of claims which you have quoted. It's not my fault if he can't stick to his own story.
 
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You had asked for proof that the individuals mentioned in the second vid are indeed zionists.....and now you have it.
But now you say that we should "forget about whether or not they are zionists, thats a distraction"??
How so?

What I am after is the same thing I looked for at the start - evidence directly linking these individuals to a conspiracy.To quote myself from earlier: 'Do you know where Icke or Griffin go beyond listing Jewish names to giving actual evidence?' Being Jewish, or a Zionist, or both, does not in itself mean they are conspiring to dominate the Fed or any other institution.
 
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However he now says that.....


With regards to ownership, can you indicate where he has mentioned, in his own words, that the Fed is foreign controlled?

He says:
"Flaherty is basically correct, and I have never claimed in my book or in my lectures that it was otherwise. I do not appreciate being lumped together with those who claim foreign control over the Fed...."

^ You have placed words into Griffins mouth.....and then go on to state that he has denied/ changed them.


Whether or not the Fed 'resists' audits is not the big issue - the fact is that it is fallacious to claim that it is 'unaudited', which is the original claim.

Again, where exactly did Griffin, himself, make the claim that the Fed is 'unaudited'?

Im not sure if you are aware of what it took to even get the Fed audited in the first place.




No doubt, this is the reason why these types of embarrassing situations occur (where the Fed Inspector General herself, has no clue as to where the missing trillion dollars went to:



Again, you are not reading him closely enough. He does agree that profits are rebated to the government - however, he now makes the new claim that this doesn't matter because the real money is to be made from re-loaning the money (ie fractional reserve banking). This is a different claim.

Where does Griffin himself say that the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed?
He mentions fractional reserve banking in his 600+ page book - so this is not a new claim at all.


^ Im not sure what you are trying to achieve by dissecting ONE authors words (from the many out there who are all saying basically the same about the Fed, as mentioned previously) and in addition trying to confound them even further.

The truth about the Fed Reserve is plain for all to see.
If you wish to believe the rosy picture that you have painted for the Fed, then may continue to do so.

All the best
 
What I am after is the same thing I looked for at the start - evidence directly linking these individuals to a conspiracy.To quote myself from earlier: 'Do you know where Icke or Griffin go beyond listing Jewish names to giving actual evidence?' Being Jewish, or a Zionist, or both, does not in itself mean they are conspiring to dominate the Fed or any other institution.


I have no intention of discussing any evidence to a 'NWO conspiracy' with you, if you can not even see the Fed for what it is (and there are hardly any doubts left here tbh).

Seriously....apologies, but no.


Peace
 
Auditing
Again, where exactly did Griffin, himself, make the claim that the Fed is 'unaudited'?
He makes this claim in the passage you quote. First he says: ‘The Fed resists external audit’. From this, we’re not sure if the Fed has resisted and succumbed, or is still unaudited. The next sentence tells us where his opinion lies: ‘If it were audited by an independent party, I suspect there would be nothing illegal found’. What’s he talking about, ‘if it were audited’? It has been audited! What does he mean, he ‘suspects nothing illegal would be found’ – it has been audited, we already know this! Griffin continues to imply it remains unaudited, even at this stage.

Ownership
With regard to the public/private issue, Griffin does indeed accept that the Fed has a publicly appointed Chairman and Board (he can hardly deny it). As Flaherty puts it:‘…the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board.’

Griffin replies: ‘Basically, Flaherty is correct as far as he goes.’ As I explained before, Griffin goes on to say that the public scrutiny (ie the government) doesn’t make any difference because the government is being controlled by the bankers as well. This claim does not make sense with the statement ‘the Fed is privately owned and managed’, if Griffin or anyone else is making it. If the government is also being controlled, it doesn't make the slightest difference whether or not the Fed is public or private, so why does he bother talking about it?

Profits/interest
Where does Griffin himself say that the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed?
I already quoted that passage for you earlier, here it is again:
Flaherty: ‘Nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.’
Griffin: ‘It is true that most of the money paid by the government for interest on the national debt is returned to the government.’ As I described before, Griffin goes on to make a new claim that this doesn’t matter any more, they make their money in another way.

He mentions fractional reserve banking in his 600+ page book - so this is not a new claim at all.
It is a new claim in relation to the question of how the Fed profits, which he introduces because he is obliged to accept that the Fed does not retain a significant amount of interest on the bonds.

So to summarise: Griffin accepts that the Fed is publicly controlled, not private. He accepts that almost all the interest on the Government bonds is rebated to the Treasury, not retained as profit. He does not appear to accept it is audited, although this makes no sense, as it is a matter of public record. Nevertheless, he continues to portray the Fed as a nest of conspirators for other reasons.

^ Im not sure what you are trying to achieve by dissecting ONE authors words (from the many out there who are all saying basically the same about the Fed, as mentioned previously)
There's no other way to take them except one at a time. Also, at the evidence level they overlap strongly. But the degree of detail that's required (as in this thread) is enough to make me understand why no one else bothers.

If you wish to believe the rosy picture that you have painted for the Fed, then may continue to do so.
I am not especially an admirer of the Fed (personally I prefer the Bundesbank model) and it has many failings - but conspiracy against its own people isn't one of them.
 
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I have no intention of discussing any evidence to a 'NWO conspiracy' with you, if you can not even see the Fed for what it is (and there are hardly any doubts left here tbh).
That's an unexpected answer and I'm not sure I understand it. Surely, neither being a Jew, nor being a Zionist, is enough in itself to link someone to this or any other conspiracy? Are you saying that everyone who is identified as a Zionist is a conspirator? Zionism itself only dates to the late 19th century, and many of these conspiracy ideas predate that. I've always assumed people had other evidence, but is that it? Just being a Zionist?
 
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The word, Zionist was first penned by Nathan Birnbaum (1869 – 1934).

there are two types of zionists. one set wont call themselves that - they'll call themselves Jews and expect to return to Israel in peace when their Messiah arrives. That Messiah may be Isa AS.

the other group call themselves Zionists and they are taking the land by force, and in direct conflict with Jewish prophecy of returning peacefully to the homeland once their messiah returns. Who knows, maybe these Zionists already have a Messiah - a false one puppet pulling strings of governments and all? they already own all the BIG banks.

Reminds me of these ayaat in the Qur'an, re:

And there is prohibition upon [the people of] a city which We have destroyed that they will [ever] return
Until when [the dam of] Gog and Magog has been opened and they, from every elevation, descend
And [when] the true promise has approached; then suddenly the eyes of those who disbelieved will be staring [in horror, while they say], "O woe to us; we had been unmindful of this; rather, we were wrongdoers." [Al Anbiya 95-97] (sahih int tr)


If you really wanna fight back, break up your credit cards and take your money out of your banks to avoid the riba on it. Live halal.

That's how you fight back.

Scimi
 
He makes this claim in the passage you quote. First he says: ‘The Fed resists external audit’. From this, we’re not sure if the Fed has resisted and succumbed, or is still unaudited.

'Resisting' an audit is very different from being unaudited.
Griffins says that: ‘The Fed resists external audit’ - which is TRUE.
It HAS been auditted but with much (ongoing) resistance. Please watch the last 2 videos that have been posted.


Griffin continues to imply it remains unaudited, even at this stage.
Judging from the last video that has been posted, Im not sure if you regard what is currently going on, as an 'Audit' of the fed.

So, please dont shoot down the messenger, when his message is completely true.



]With regard to the public/private issue, Griffin does indeed accept that the Fed has a publicly appointed Chairman and Board (he can hardly deny it).

As Flaherty puts it:‘…the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board.’

^ You are mixing up the concept of whether or not the Fed is 'foreignly controlled' (which Griffin denies ever saying - see last paragraph of his reply)
versus whether or not the Fed is privately owned, but publically auditted/ controlled.

In the latter case, Griffin is expounding on the fact that even those who are tasked to 'publically control' the Fed are specifically selected for this purpose.
He has never denied this/ changed what he has said - he is just repeating what he has always being saying.

If there was such transparency with regards to the financials of the Fed, then please tell us why it has been such an uphill battle for even those in congress to know what is going on?
Again, refer back to the history of the Fed being auditted and the issues that surround this.
Just because you do not wish to appreciate the full extent of this story, does not make Griffin a liar.


Profits/ Interest:

I had asked: "Where does Griffin himself say that the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed?"

^ To mean, where has Griffin himself, ever denied this (in his own book/ audio)? Answer: He has not denied this.
In his reply, he is simply agreeing to what Flaherty says (not in the manner of changing his own story - but in agreement), and again provides his full story (which is not a new claim at all - please refer to his original text).



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You can continue to try to pick holes in the stories of each and every person who is against the Fed, and try to find some sort of discrepency (even when it is not there).

I am yet to hear you find any fault with the fraudulent, deceptive, interest-crippling Fed' - who is the cause behind the US economy being in ~9++ trillion dollar debt (most of which can not be even accounted for).
I am yet to see you look for the discrepancies between what the Fed says and what is actually revealed in its partial audits that occur with much resistance.
And perhaps comment on these, and why it is such, that the religious group that is the absolute minority in the states has found themselves so well represented on all fronts of financial, political and every other decision-making.
And rather than try to find excuses for why the meeting of Jekyll island occurred by 7 zionists in secrecy (that resulted in the policies that are now found in the Fed) - analyze and critically examine these.

I am not especially an admirer of the Fed (personally I prefer the Bundesbank model) and it has many failings - but conspiracy against its own people isn't one of them.

^ Its not a conspiracy.
All that has been mentioned in this thread has, and is happening in broad daylight.

You dont have to believe us/ Griffin/ Iyke/ Paul/ Mullins or the hundreds of others (both within congress and outside of it) who corroborate the same story.
Research them for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

As mentioned, there not much more I can provide you on this. The choice is yours.

Peace
 
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Greetings Zaria

What Griffin and his fellow conspiracists say is complicated and not unanimous. What their followers believe they are saying is more clear cut. As a result of Griffin’s and others’ work, many people believe the Fed is privately owned, privately managed and keeps all its profits for evil Jews. All three of these beliefs are wrong unless they are severely rephrased and qualified:

a) The institution of the Fed is in fact owned and managed at Board level by the Government (not by private banks and individuals, Jewish or otherwise).
b) It is regularly audited (although not everyone feels that audit is sufficiently wide ranging).
c) It does rebate almost all its profits to the Treasury relating to Treasury bonds (but some people feel it enables the banks to make unreasonable profits by re-lending the money the Treasury places with them).

With regard to the recent financial crisis and the Fed’s role in committing trillions of dollars in quantative easing and liquidity measures:

Although the notion of a Jewish financial conspiracy is baseless, that doesn’t mean there isn’t corruption and ineptitude in high finance. Did the Fed handle the collapse of Lehmans and the ensuing crisis right? We can only see what actually did happen, not what might have happened. The panic of those days was so great that there was a real danger of systemic collapse. In the event this was avoided, and I think the Fed and other institutions deserve credit for that. Whether they took the best decision is arguable, but they had to do something quick, and it did fulfill its primary objective (to stop the panic).

They provided trillions of dollars worth of liquidity in a deliberately different strategy from the 1930s, when governments reacted by protectionism and credit limitations – which was a disaster. Where did those trillions go? Into the pockets of Jewish bankers? Absolutely no evidence has been presented that this is what happened. If it had happened, the rescue plan could never have succeeded. Yes, some of the banks that received new liquidity had Jewish names on the door (although many of those are publicly quoted anyway), but it would have been truly extraordinary if the Fed had deliberately omitted rescuing such institutions.

When the crisis hit, the valuation of many assets and loans was entirely wiped out. Unless the economy was re-inflated with fresh liquidity immediately we would have potentially have seen the entire sysem collapsing in domino style.

The Fed didn’t create the crisis, but private financial institutions did (including all those that Ron Paul wants to set free from Fed interference). Many companies behaved in a stunningly reckless way with seemingly little understanding of the potential consequences of the risks they took in pursuit of short term gain.

We desperately need improve financial regulation to avoid a repeat. Whether that goes to the Fed or another body is up for debate, but to resist the idea of regulation because you don’t like the Fed is plain stupid. This is where the conspiracy theorists cause such damage to society. People waste time with fears of the Fed extending its power, instead of focusing on the need for regulation.

The whole American debate is hamstrung by the historic suspicion Americans have for central government (because it’s what they ran away from in Europe). There is a crazy confusion in some Fed opponents between resisting giving too much power to the Fed (because they think the big banks control it) and sweeping away the Fed (which is actually the only means the government has to control the banks in the US). Again, this valid debate is wrecked by paranoid conspiracists encouraging deep, gut fears about reds or Jews under the bed.

If you look at what happened elsewhere in the world during the crisis, America hasn’t done too badly under the Fed. In fact, America is looking distinctly healthier as a result of a high spending Fed than Europe with an austerity driven European Bank. (America’s main problem today is not debt but a current account deficit because of the failure either to raise taxes or cut spending).

My own country (Ireland) failed catastrophically to deal with the crisis and by its actions has literally ruined the country for a generation to come. (As a matter of fact, in Ireland you can see corruption and collusion between bankers and government, but not as part of any worldwide conspiracy and entirely without Jews.)

Other countries across Europe, especially Greece, Portugal and Spain, are reeling from ongoing crisis. Each one is very different in nature from the other. There is no pattern of world wide conspiracy. It’s also really hard to find anyone who gained from it. Many of the people who gained most during the boom lost most in the crash – and that’s both investors and ordinary citizens.

Trillions of euro have been lost. Not stolen, lost. Any number of individual bankers and investors, as well as large companies, have been seriously damaged by the experience and are much poorer today. Compared to the family who lose the roof over their heads, we may not have much sympathy for an investor who now has just 20 million euro, where before he had 200 million – but he is still a loser.

There is nothing about this crisis that suggests it fulfills any agenda. Everything about it points to the conclusion that the crisis was wholly unplanned, not understood, and severely damaging for almost everyone.
 
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^ Its truly amazing that you can say this, after all of the information that has been provided in this thread, and after all the videos that have been posted (most especially the last video).

As you can find, even more and more members of congress are realizing what is going on (and these are individuals who are traditionally furtherest from so-called 'conspiracy theories').

Unfortunately, a large proportion of the public are so utterly brainwashed by the media - that by the way, is monopolized by only 6 companies (who control over 90% of what Americans and much of the world is fed) - (not surprisingly, most of these companies being jewish owned as well),
that they actually resist any other information that may be passed onto them.
As sister جوري has correctly described - its like living in a 'bubble'.

For these types of people, its actually best not to try to 'wake' them up.....
Each person is entitled to his/ her beliefs (even if the rest of us cannot comprehend the logic).

I do hope you will continue to research and at times, try to think laterally/ independently of what you are told to believe.

All the best on this journey.

Peace
 

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