The Shi`a Cult

[piXie]

Healthy potatoes are condemned with the rottens and they will wrongfully suffer.

Sister herb, healthy potatoes will also turn rotten and start to smell if they choose to remain with the rotten potatoes. Why is it still in the pile of rotten potatoes?

 

[muslim brother]

so harsh you are to call Muslims as nutcase. It's not ignorant hate. I hope you will mind your language. Learn to know the manners to disagree with other members on the board

jazakallah,:jz:
ive amended the post slightly:salambox:

 

[azc]

^ :wasalam: May Allah swt bless you with success in both the worlds. my brother

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Greetings and peace be with you Huzaifah ibn Adam;



We are not in a position to judge millions of people, only Allah can do that. Allah chooses whom he wills, and if he has chosen that one righteous man, then who are we to reject what Allah has chosen?

If we don't care about the righteous amongst the bad, how will we stand before God? We are probably safer to judge ourselves, rather than make judgements on others.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

Eric

In the past, the previous nations of Bani Israa'eel (the Children of Israel), when Allaah Ta`aalaa used to punish them, everyone in that nation would be punished. Even the ones who are innocent.

عن نافع بن جبير بن مطعم قال حدثتني عائشة رضي الله عنها قالت قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يغزو جيش الكعبة فإذا كانوا ببيداء من الأرض يخسف بأولهم وآخرهم قالت قلت يا رسول الله كيف يخسف بأولهم وآخرهم وفيهم أسواقهم ومن ليس منهم قال يخسف بأولهم وآخرهم ثم يبعثون على نياتهم

Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها narrates from Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم that he said: "An army will attack the Ka`bah and when it reaches a desert land, the first of them and the last of them will be swallowed up (in the earth)." Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها says that she asked, "Yaa Rasoolallaah, how will the first of them and the last of them be swallowed up (by the earth) when among them are their common people and those who are not from them?" He replied: "The first of them and the last of them will be swallowed up (by the earth). Thereafter, they will be raised (on the Day of Qiyaamah) according to their intentions." [Narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari.]

So what we find in this Hadeeth is that, even though some people in that group will be completely innocent, they will be punished as well in this Dunyaa just for having been with the wrong-doers, but in the Aakhirah they will be forgiven In Shaa Allaah. The Sunnah of Allaah Ta`aalaa is that when He punishes a group of Zhaalimeen (wrong-doers) He punishes all of those who are with them as well.

When the Malaa'ikah came to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, they told Nabi Loot عليه السلام to take his family and leave and to not look back, because whoever stayed behind would be punished along with the homosexuals. The wife of Nabi Loot عليه السلام looked back, and so the punishment overtook her as well and she was destroyed.

So, the only way for a Shi`a to be saved is to separate himself from Shi'ism. There is no other option. He has to disassociate himself from the rest of the Shi`as in the world. He has to rid himself of the name "Shi`a". If he remains a "Shi`a", then he is associating himself with and affiliating himself to the cult of "Shi'ism", and thus he will be treated accordingly.

If a person dresses up as a member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), he can't blame anyone but himself if everyone calls him a racist and some people attack and beat him up. He had no business impersonating someone from the Ku Klux Klan. If he dresses that way, naturally people will say he is from them. If a person calls himself a Shi`a, he will immediately be put along with the rest of the Shi`as who curse Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها and the Sahaabah, who claim that the Qur'aan was altered and tampered with by the Sahaabah, who claim their 12 Imaams to be gods, etc. If a person calls himself a Shi`a, then automatically this is what will be assumed about him because that is what the cult of Shi'ism itself advocates. If someone affiliates himself to a group then of course you will assume that he follows the ideology of that group. If a person says that he supports the KKK then of course you will assume that he is a racist. How foolish is it to claim to be a part of the KKK but not be a racist? The person is obviously lying. If he wasn't a racist he wouldn't go near the KKK.

So now, the religion of Shi'ism advocates these above mentioned points, namely, hatred towards Allaah, towards the Sahaabah, towards the Qur'aan, towards Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jamaa`ah. Then, whoever ascribes himself to this religion, has ascribed himself to all of these beliefs whether he knows it or not. If he is a fool that is no one's fault but his own. Why does he call himself a Shi`a when he doesn't know what Shi'ism is? If he calls himself a member of al-Qaa`idah the government will have him arrested even if he doesn't know a single thing about AQ, or Sayyid Qutb, or any of the leaders, or the ideology, or anything else. The government really won't care and besides that, they won't believe him.

You have a man who ascribes himself to "Shi'ism" but suddenly doesn't believe what his religion advocates. Then how is he a Shi`a? Either he is a Shi`a or he isn't. If he does not hold the beliefs of Shi'ism then he is not a Shi`a. He is only a Shi`a if he holds the beliefs of Shi'ism.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Kafirs or not, we still have to live with them in the same world.

Yes, we even have to live in the same world as the satanists, which is unfortunate. The purpose of this thread, respected sister, is simply to show that Shi'ism itself is a cult of Kufr, of satanism, of hatred towards Islaam. It is important for Muslims to know what Shi'ism actually advocates and what the creed of Shi'ism is, so that Muslims can save themselves from it, and so that they can learn certain rulings such as, it it not permissible to marry a Shi`a, it is not permissible to eat their food, etc.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

but never trust them. And Never eat their cooked food.

Yes. The Shi`as themselves say that it is their "Sunnah" to spit inside food. See this video:

 

[Futuwwa]

I don't know why everybody is able to understand when it comes to what is known as "Terrorist Organisations" but not when it comes to the Shi`as.

Affiliation is a crime In and Of Itself.

If a person joins this forum today, and puts in his signature: "Supporter of ISIS", I guarantee you, the majority of the members will clamour for that person to be banned instantly. If he joined today he'd probably be banned and deleted before tomorrow, the way the members will protest and fight.

Why is it different when it comes to the Shi`as? Why do you regard affiliation as a crime when it comes to organisations you dislike but not when it comes to Kaafir satanic cults like Shi'ism that insults Allaah Ta`aalaa, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and all of the Sahaabah?

Affiliation is a concept that pertains to organizations. Shiaism is not an organization. It's a set of beliefs.

 

[Futuwwa]

Footnotes
[1] This book was written under the alias Husayn al-Musawi, a former companion of al-Khomeini who later abandoned his previous beliefs.

Okay, so the whole book is the testimony of someone who is anonymous, who makes all kinds of incendiary allegations that cannot be corroborated. That, about a world leader whom many, many powerful states and other interest groups have an interest in portraying as a villain.

Bro please. Even the testimonies of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were credible in comparison to this.

 

[Futuwwa]

Who is that?

Hatred has never been fostered between Muslim communities, respected sister. It's a simple matter of, this side is Muslim and that side is Kaafirs, enemies of Allaah Ta`aalaa and of Islaam as a whole.

Circular argument is circular.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Affiliation is a concept that pertains to organizations. Shiaism is not an organization. It's a set of beliefs.

Affiliation is not restricted to organisations. You can affiliate yourself to a particular leader, a personality, a cult, a religion, an ideology. The religious affiliation of the Shi`as is towards Shi'ism. If a person affiliates himself to the "set of beliefs" of the Ku Klux Klan, what is he?

 

[Futuwwa]

Affiliation is not restricted to organisations. You can affiliate yourself to a particular leader, a personality, a cult, a religion, an ideology.

Incorrect. Affiliation is restricted to actual entities, not abstract intellectual constructs like sets of beliefs.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Quote: "Religious affiliation is the self–identified association of a person with a religion, denomination or sub–denominational religious group. The following supporting concepts are defined in Glossary and references: religion. denomination."

 

[Futuwwa]

Fallacy of equivocation.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you sister herb;

The absolute condemnation of others is scary, because it can easily lead to taking justice into the own hands. And this is the thing we can nowadays read from the news too often.

I watched a programme on the BBC a few days ago, called Muslims like us. It was about ten Muslims who were all strangers, and they all shared a house together for a few days. One of them was a Shia, she said that her father and brother were shot and killed whilst praying in a mosque. One of the other Muslims did not seem to think there was anything wrong in this, the Shia woman was deeply disturbed and felt frightened by him.

This does not seem what religion should be about.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Cherub786]

Greetings and peace be with you sister herb;


I watched a programme on the BBC a few days ago, called Muslims like us. It was about ten Muslims who were all strangers, and they all shared a house together for a few days. One of them was a Shia, she said that her father and brother were shot and killed whilst praying in a mosque. One of the other Muslims did not seem to think there was anything wrong in this, the Shia woman was deeply disturbed and felt frightened by him.

This does not seem what religion should be about.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

Hmm I found it strange that 10 Muslim strangers both male and female would agree to live together in a single house. As you probably know, our Religion frowns upon free mixing.

Nonetheless, coming to your point, the extreme sectarian hatred that has gripped the Arab world is a direct result of the Arab regimes promoting sectarianism for their own political interests, to deflect attention from their own despotism and failure to govern efficiently.

The extreme anti-Shi'ite sentiment in the Arab world was never as bad as it is today. Groups like Daesh are a manifestation of this rabidly violent anti-Shi'ism.

For some time now there has been a cold war between Khomeinist Iran and Saudi Arabia (leader of the Sunni Arab world). There are many factors for this bitter rivalry, economic, political, ideological, social, and sectarian.

Both sides are to blame for not restraining themselves. Saudi Arabia is madly bombing Yemen without any sentiment of humanity and compassion, while Iran is blindly supporting the Ba'athist regime in Syria as it massacres its own innocent people.

In my estimation, a major aspect of this problem is the deep seated authoritarianism that has taken root in the mind of the Arabs.

Authoritarianism is basically "my way or the highway" where there is little room for freedom of conscience and difference of opinion. Every single Arab state is extremely authoritarian with very few freedoms, including religious freedom. All Mosques are controlled and monitored by the State, which is an authoritarian dystopia of Orwellian proportions.

In such an atmosphere people gravitate toward violent extremism as the only expression of their dissent from the iron fist of the State.

The spiritual beauties and excellences of Islam are no longer manifested in the authoritarian Arab world, which has embraced such a toxic culture of violence, brutality and autocracy.

This is why even ordinary Arab Muslims express such shocking views, its because they have been raised in such a toxic atmosphere and they have been bereft of a moderate Islamic upbringing.

 

[OmAbdullah]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

I'm a Sunni; I follow the Hanafi madhab, and I also do not know any Shia people in real life (at least to the best of my knowledge), but I do know that no one is perfect. And I know that Islam is not inherited by default in the sense that we're not all born knowing all knowledge of Islam from day one whether we're born into the religion and not, and therefore there are probably innumerable Shia people who are raised in Shia households that do not know or are aware of the entirety of Shia teachings.

Therefore, as long as particular persons says, "La la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah," we are obliged to identify them as Muslims, especially as we're laypersons. I do not disagree that some Shia sects do have some weird teachings and some among them might show disrespect to the Sahaba (Companions) :ra:; however, we should not assume that all laypersons within Shia households do the same.

So, what I hope is that as Muslims we responsibly educate all Muslims regardless of their sectarian affiliation on what traditional Islam's positions on certain matters are and let people make informed decisions about what beliefs they should ideally hold.

Therefore, I cannot understand, regardless of whether a scholar or a layperson does this act, is blanket cursing an entire group of people, making prayers for their destruction, and hating them for their ignorance; instead, what I see the job of responsible Muslims wherever they are is to be compassionate and make prayers for guidance for any persons that they consider are not guided; anyone who does not do that is showing bad manners and is not following the prophetic methodology because al wala' wal bara' is not about egotistical proclamations but exemplifying with kindness and leniency that which is just and true representation of submission to Allah and then hopefully being an inspiration to inspire the right changes in persons.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself of goodness” (Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 238).

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, “None of you have faith until you love for your neighbor what you love for yourself” (Sahih Muslim).

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, “Righteousness (birr) is good character” (Sahih Muslim: 2553)."

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “I have been sent to perfect noble character” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqee: 21301).

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh


Dear sister,


You are right but a few points are considerable:


Regarding a matter we have to take all texts of the Holy Quraan and Sunnah and not to take only one text.

Shia cult says that the kalimah "la ilaha illa Allaho Muhammad-ur-Rasoolullah" is not complete. So they denied the Holy Quraan and all that the Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam said. This is because they attacked the root /bases of Islam!!!


You are very right that in our anger we should think of the Islamic character. BUT we are human beings. We have heart made of flesh. Our hearts burn with all of the present injustices. Muslims are killed every where and then Islam and Muslims are falsely blamed and accused. I myself considered the shias generally as Muslims but now when they killed and are killing Suni Muslims so brutally that I could never imagin. So I remembered the Hadith sharif which surely expels them from the fold of Islam. Then I started a thread with that Hadeeth but it was closed.


Now my question is, think, if Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was here, would He (salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam) be polite and lenient to this brutal killing of all including old men, women and children??? I believe that He (salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam) would surely react justly!



As we now cannot do anything to defend the innocent Muslims, so in anger some good Muslim may say things away from the character of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. It is not proper but Allah is غفور الرحيم. Allah doesn't like saying of bad things but see the translation of the verse 148 of the surah Al-Nisaa (An-Nisaa):


لَا يُحِبُّ اللّٰهُ الۡجَــهۡرَ بِالسُّوۡٓءِ مِنَ الۡقَوۡلِ اِلَّا مَنۡ ظُلِمَ​ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ سَمِيۡعًا عَلِيۡمًا‏ 



(4:148) Allah does not like speaking evil publicly unless one has been wronged. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.


In this verse Allah used the words illa man zulim ظلم)

this word "zulim" is taken from "zulum" which means oppression, wickedness, injustice. The extreme zulum is killing, expelling the innocent from their homes in this cold winter, starving them to death. These are all the acts of extreme zulum happening at the hands of the shias, alawiees and kaafirs. Allah is our creator and knows human feelings. So Allah sent down the verse 148 of surah Al-Nisaa (An-Nisaa). It is placed in Surah "The Women". When taqwa ( the fear of Allah) ends then women and children become victims to the acts of cruel unbelievers. That is the case now!!! May Allah send HIS tremendous Help now,aameen.


Again please consider the bright side of this thread. There may be many shias who may be sincere but ignorantly remain on the wrong path which leads to Hell. If they are clearly informed that they are not Muslims, they are far away from the Siratil-Mustaqeem of the Holy Quraan, then they may try to understand the Quraan and Sunnah and may choose the Right Path of Islam.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Cherub786;

Hmm I found it strange that 10 Muslim strangers both male and female would agree to live together in a single house. As you probably know, our Religion frowns upon free mixing.

Sadly television programmes love to be controversial, and they seem to go out of their way to bring people together who will clash, this makes for good viewing. The women mostly wore western clothes, a couple of them could have been models, by the way they dressed. One of the men was gay, and there was a man who seemed on the outside to be more religious. When he came into the house he gave out leaflets explaining about free mixing and Islamic dress code. It was this man who was ok about Shia being gunned down. Sadly, this gave the impression, that the more religious you are, the more likely you will be to have these fundamentalist views.

I dislike programmes like this, the BBC are supposed to more helpful to our nation, we are forced to pay for the BBC, whether we want it or not. Yet what they did, was to edit ten days of living together into a two hour programme, clearly, they edited it down to tell a media centred version of Muslims, that in my opinion was not helpful to Islam.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[sister herb]

Greetings and peace be with you sister herb;


I watched a programme on the BBC a few days ago, called Muslims like us. It was about ten Muslims who were all strangers, and they all shared a house together for a few days. One of them was a Shia, she said that her father and brother were shot and killed whilst praying in a mosque. One of the other Muslims did not seem to think there was anything wrong in this, the Shia woman was deeply disturbed and felt frightened by him.

This does not seem what religion should be about.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

I have always thought that we have to look dispassionately, unbiased and honestly things what happen in this world. It has been my way to think as long I have made the human right works. It has been hard way to live as I have seen a lot from the darker side of the human´s minds. I have testified a lot of horrifying acts, hate, anger, cruelty against innocents. But when trying to be absolute equal, I have seen that those whose are able to do the most cruel acts against humanity, haven´t always been kafirs. Some sort of lack of empathy and humanity is the thing what may occur with anyone, with every groups. I understand anger when we read violence against our own group like now in Syria. But do we also understand similar crimes in other parts of the world, specially when victims have been those kafirs like in Yemen? Have we enough bravery to be equal and remember that all lives matter?

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

The Shi`a Belief Regarding Mut`ah (Temporary Marriages):

[Note: Mut`ah is a temporary marriage contract. For example, you say to a woman, "I'm marrying you for one week." It can be any amount of time. Can be as long as a number of years or as short as a day. It's just basically legal prostitution. According to Islaam, it is Haraam. The Shi`as, though, not only believe in it, they even attach the highest levels of reward to it.]

 

[azc]

The Shi`a Belief Regarding Mut`ah (Temporary Marriages):

[Note: Mut`ah is a temporary marriage contract. For example, you say to a woman, "I'm marrying you for one week." It can be any amount of time. Can be as long as a number of years or as short as a day. It's just basically legal prostitution. According to Islaam, it is Haraam. The Shi`as, though, not only believe in it, they even attach the highest levels of reward to it.]

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