The St. Petersburg Declaration by "Secular Muslims"

[SATalha]

^^Yea. She blames the ignorance of society on Islam. Sorry I dont need non Muslims representing my religion! Its like having a male teach us what its like to have a baby! Paleeaseee.

Ok now i know the lady.......very sad what happned.but it was UN-ISLAMIC

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Yes it was. Had she known about Islam then, she'd know its wrong. So how can i take her word for it now after she starts looking into "culture" and not Islam? Why are people so stupid? I cant seem to get past that :X

 

[SATalha]

It happens, one thing is clear these people will not get far.

 

[vpb]

^^Yea. She blames the ignorance of society on Islam. Sorry I dont need non Muslims representing my religion! Its like having a male teach us what its like to have a baby! Paleeaseee.

What's wrong with males teaching you how is is like to have a baby? lolll

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^lololol. Har har brother

 

[north_malaysian]

Hirsi is in hiding? Where?

Isn't she in America, after her beloved Netherlands expelled her, after years of loyal service?

She should be sent back to Somalia. Let see if she can secularise the Somalis..... :skeleton:

 

[Goku]

Maybe they reverted back to Islam? Oopps my mistake... Secular Islam.

Dunno about Nonnie Darwish but it would be a miracle if Ibn Warraq and Ayaan Hirsi Ali reverted back to even "secular" Islam.

Allahu Alam, if Allah SWT wills it will happen, but i would be shocked if it does.

 

[Goku]

ibn warraq is hiding his identity and himself, one of the authors is a lesbian, hirsi is also in hiding, lol and these are the people who are going to defeat Islam?! how about when most of them have the guts to even come out and show themselves instead of hiding then maybe they might be able to achieve their goals. and plzzz dont say oh but they are being threatened! many muslim apologists suffer threats and acts of violence, i have been threatened many times by people, i dont mind at all, cause i got the truth and god on my side, why should i be scared? these losers know they have nothing on their side which is why their not willing to put their lives on the line for it, and thats says it all. The prophet Muhammad and his companions put their life and wealth all at risk for Islam, do you expect such losers as ibn warraq and hirsi who hide like ants to actually be able to stand up to mighty Islam? i think not.

Exactly! You just need to look up on history on what happened to those who tried to extinguish Islam. And those were powerful armies, these anti-Islam people today are nothing, nothing.

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad, peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).


[Qur'an Tawba (Repentance) 9: 32-3]​

 

[KAding]

The people who signed this document are not Muslims. They are apostates. Being a non-believer myself I agree with them though.

 

[جوري]

The important thing is that the majority of Muslims don't agree with them!.. they can go on pleasing like minds... The rest of us aren't interested in pleasing apostates and the folks who give them grants and augment their efforts for all to see. Life is way too short for fleeting applauds.

 

[SATalha]

The people who signed this document are not Muslims. They are apostates. Being a non-believer myself I agree with them though.

Exactly them being non-muslim and you being a non-muslim means that you have no right in shaping Islam. Allah has already done that for us when the Quran and the Rasul (peace be upon him) was sent to humanity. Its like that example given before, men telling women how to go through pregnancy. Your opinions and the people on that statements opinions do not have any bearing to Islam:blind: So what is the point in making these statements and than saying "yes i agree with them"? Makes no sense No offence

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Exactly Sorry changing a religion no longer makes it unique anymore. You change one thing in it, everything changes. If we did, then you'd having people saying its been changed so many times blah blah, we took this out and that out. Just like with Christians, no offense.

 

[Zman]

She should be sent back to Somalia. Let see if she can secularise the Somalis..... :skeleton:

The new puppet Somali government would welcome her with open arms. I read an article last week which contained a photo showing government security forces pulling the Hijab of the heads of many Somali women, in pulic...

 

[north_malaysian]

The people who signed this document are not Muslims. They are apostates. Being a non-believer myself I agree with them though.

Imagine if we Muslims endorsed a Declaration that:

* Pope must be elected by all Catholics people, not by a small group of churchmen.

* Greek government must stop recognizing Greek Orthodox Church's Canon Laws, both within the church and in such areas of civil law as marriage.

 

[abdil han]

Exactly! You just need to look up on history on what happened to those who tried to extinguish Islam. And those were powerful armies, these anti-Islam people today are nothing, nothing.

exactly...
they are nothing!
why we discuss them too much? do they deserve this?

 

[north_malaysian]

exactly...
they are nothing!
why we discuss them too much? do they deserve this?

Maybe because they discuss about us too much too.mg:

 

[rubiesand]

^ yes and no doubt they'll continue to talk about us, but the bottom line is they have no credibility with Muslims.

 

[Chuck]

Pardon my french, this declaration is rubbish

 

[KAding]

Exactly them being non-muslim and you being a non-muslim means that you have no right in shaping Islam. Allah has already done that for us when the Quran and the Rasul (peace be upon him) was sent to humanity. Its like that example given before, men telling women how to go through pregnancy. Your opinions and the people on that statements opinions do not have any bearing to Islam:blind: So what is the point in making these statements and than saying "yes i agree with them"? Makes no sense No offence

No offense taken.

Using you logic I could say the following:
The people who signed this declaration are unbelievers, I am an unbeliever as well. I voiced an opinion on their statement. I am thus 'shaping the beliefs of unbelievers', not Islam . In fact, I think it makes no sense for you to voice an opinion on a declaration of secular muslims, people you clearly have no affiliation with . As such your opinions have no bearing on my opinions and those of my fellow disbelievers :blind: .

But seriously, I have my own opinions and I just voiced them, that does not mean I am 'shaping Islam'. I never claimed I was shaping Islam either. Besides, I am sure you have many opinions as well on groups you are not part of?

If Sharia law would ever in any form be implemented where I live (which I consider unlikely), I would not be able to voice these very opinions, since it would be blasphemous and I would be considered a threat to the Umma and would be dealt with accordingly. That makes it relevant enough for me to voice my secular opinion on Islam.