The Taliban Discussion Thread

[wilberhum]

Civilians among Afghan blast dead
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9FCF0CCC-C510-426C-A92E-E9CDCFE05C07.htm

A suicide car bomb, targeting a Nato patrol in a crowded marketplace in southern Afghanistan, has killed 17 people and wounded 30, officials have said.
At least six civilians were killed in the attack and 13 others, including children, were wounded.

[MAD]I guess the children were resisting too.[/MAD]

 

[Sinbad]

the borders drawn by the british also split baluchistan, no? or is this what you were talking about?

baluchistan, Dubai, Oman, Bahrain, azerbaijan, uzbekistan, tajikistan et c.

In the 1830s the brittish and Russians invaded Iran, Tajikistan is the only nation except for Iran where the majority speaks persian. azerbaijan is divided in north and south, north was stolen by the russians, south is still in Iranian hands.

After the russian invasion armenians and azeris rebelled to be with Iran again. Stalin gave azeris armenian parts, hence the war after the fall of soviet between armenians and azaris.

After that the brittish left the middle east they refused to give Iran back its terretories, they created fake states like UAE, by merging tribes and giving them poliical power just so Iran woudlnt get it back.

 

[snakelegs]

baluchistan, Dubai, Oman, Bahrain, azerbaijan, uzbekistan, tajikistan et c.

In the 1830s the brittish and Russians invaded Iran, Tajikistan is the only nation except for Iran where the majority speaks persian. azerbaijan is divided in north and south, north was stolen by the russians, south is still in Iranian hands.

After the russian invasion armenians and azeris rebelled to be with Iran again. Stalin gave azeris armenian parts, hence the war after the fall of soviet between armenians and azaris.

After that the brittish left the middle east they refused to give Iran back its terretories, they created fake states like UAE, by merging tribes and giving them poliical power just so Iran woudlnt get it back.

i didn't know all those places were turkish speaking - i assume you are talking about part of afghanistan as well?
the british left behind many "gifts that keep on giving" (sarcasm). there should be an icon for sarcasm!

 

[Sinbad]

Turkish speaking/persian speaking, its no diffrence. Azerbaijan is turkish speaking, Uzbekistan is turkish speaking, but there are still persians. Samarkand is a 90% persian speaking city. The president of turkmenistan is 50% persian and 50% turkish.

Iran is 51% persian, 25% turkish, the turks are the most patriotic, they where the most eager to enlist in the Iran iraq war.

Even the arab states have persians, Baharin is 30% persian.

UAE was mostly persian, the arabs where nomadic tribes, in the 70s, the arab that got the power from the brittish forced the arabs to leave the dessert and take persian homes by the coast and citys.

 

[Al_Imaan]

employment and education for women

how is that haram?...i guess i shouldn't go to school anymore and all sisters on the forum should neither work or study...:mmokay:

Like ******* and other Deobandis, the Taliban strongly opposed the Shia branch of Islam. The Taliban declared the Hazara ethnic group, which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan's population, "not Muslims."

they believe in Allah and his Messenger, why are they called "not muslim"?...that is just...astaghfirullah for calling their muslim brothers "kaafirs"...

In 1999, Omar issued a decree stating the Buddha statues at Bamyan would be protected because Afghanistan had no Buddhists, implying idolatry would not be a problem. But in March 2001 this decision was reversed with a decree stating "all the statues around Afghanistan must be destroyed." [35]

and y is that? the majority of afghans are muslims and even if the majority of the afghans were buddhists, the taliban had no right in destroying the buddha. they could have left it alone and followed surah kaafirun..this is quite wrong, almost everyone who is replying to this thread is defending the taliban cause they are "muslims"...hearing is not the same as seeing...if u haven't seen the taliban doing what they have done, then don't state it...i don't think torture is a part of islamic shariah...

 

[islamirama]

There's nothing i hate more them ignorant threads started with nothing but lies about others. I bet more than half the peeps here don't even know jack about talibans except what their little ears heard from CNN and other propaganda machines.

 

[islamirama]

From another forum......

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Assalam Alaikam Rahmatullah Wabaraktu,​

Again, it seems that some muslims and non-muslims have accused the taliban of massacres and other baseless propaganda the taliban have been accused of. Surely, as usual falsehood is bound to perish.

Also, before you post on this thread, please no comments that are opinions. Just ask questions, and if anyone is knowledgeable about Afghanistan, and its history then they may respond. If not, do not post opinions of what do you think, if you disagree with my information, then ask a question. Do not give me baseless comments and opinions without applying the question in a just manner. If you agree, JazakAllah khair, May Allah swt reward you.

Three Qualifications before you ask a Question"

1) You have visited Afghanistan before, during and after the Taliban rule
2) You must at least provide sources for what you accuse the Taliban of
3) If you are neither the two, then its best to just be quiet and do not comment. If you want, you may private message.

The Taliban

1) Accusation of not Allowing women in Schools-

Schools were established in Afghanistan for women and men, both alike. It was separate in different facilities due to Sharia law being implemented. The accusation stands that the Taliban did not allow women to attend educational institutions.

A- 10 years of war, 4 years of civil war, the only books left were communist books being imposed
B- 90 Percent of the infrastructure of Afghanistan was destroyed due to Russian invasion and civil war
C- Most of the educational systems were destroyed
D- Sanctions and other governments did not care about Afghanistan, therefore where are the Taliban going to build an educational system, when no one in the world cares?

If these still does not convince you.

The Taliban, Education and Health Policy Toward Girls. (untold Truth)

"According to a survey by the Swedish Comittie for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of girls schools were located in rural afghanistan and under the Taliban were operating in full swing. Ms Pia Karlsson, education advisor at the SCA, said 85% of girls were stil in schools. In KunduzProvince, under the Taliban, 122 girls schools were operating, with 390 registered female teachers!"

The Taliban were the prime target in an Anti-Islamic drive in the media, to prepare the public for war against them.

All the women who shrill at the burqa, were silent when 2 million afghans died from Russian bombs, they were silent went 500'000 afghans were maimed by mines, and were silent about thousands of women who were raped before the Taliban came to power.
General Hamid who lived under the Taliban for several years.

There has been no campaign aimed at beating women in public, and there has been no ban on education for women. Only a restriction on co-education.

There are many lies on "respected websites about the "suffering" of Afghan women, yet there are no dates, names, places or anything other form of verification. Hamid gul says he found women almost always-outnumbered men in the streets and market places.
The Afghan women protesting in the west come from the Khalq and parcham factions of Afghan communists. They represent a tiny fraction of the population.

The Taliban were extra strict on these communist women to ensure they didn't cause friction and trouble and stir up trouble. The women only had to wear the Burqa in the streets, at home; they were free to dress as they pleased. According to a female nurse, women in hospitals rarely wore the burqa or even hijab as there were no men present.

According to a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of girl's schools were located in rural Afghanistan and under the Taliban were operating in full swing. Ms Pia Karlsson, education advisor at the SCA, said 85% of girls were still in schools. In KunduzProvince, under the Taliban, 122 girls schools were operating, with 390 registered female teachers!

Prior to Taliban rule, there were 350 beds in Kabul for women. In august 2001, there were 950 beds for women in women only hospitals in Kabul. Some women only hospitals include RabiaBalkhiHospital, MalaliHospital, KhairKhanaHospital, IndiraGandhiHealthHospital, Atta Turk Hospital, Kuwait Red Crescent health Centre and a Contagios Disease Health Clinic! There were also 32 Mother and Child clinics.

In addition, the women received treatment at the ICRC and Sanday Gal Orthopaedic Centres. In All these hospitals and centres, only women doctors and nurses worked providing health care.
Yet the Sun, Dailey express, New York Times, and all these tabloid press agencies never reported any of this, neither did the BBC, CNN, Fox news etc. It was part of a campaign of lies and deception to turn the public against the Taliban.

You were told women couldn't work, women could not go out the house, that women could not go to school, or even go to hospitals, well the facts are proving otherwise.

Source

2) I will not bring up anymore, i would love to ask those who accuse the taliban of oppression to bring your evidence if you are clear in truth, Intellectual debates should be established on this thread.

Note: I advise you to be smart in this debate.

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What about some of the videos that are circulation on the net, supposedly of Taliban beating up women?
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Thank You,

First video - The woman shot in the head in the Soccer Stadium

This punishment was due to a crime in which that woman had murdered her husband and sleeping with their child. The tribe of the husband have asked the Taliban to perform a public execution of the woman or otherwise they would handle the case.

The Taliban as instructed by the Council, were ordered to execute the woman for the murder of her husband and sleeping with the child.

Second video - The woman beaten on the street in Kabul

This is the most interesting video, since the cameraman forgot to show the full film and record what was occurring.

A narrow minded Talib patrol was speaking with a woman and noticed from his point of view that she was not properly covered, in which he started whipping her with a stick. However, if you look towards the end of this video, you see another Talib member stopping the man from hitting the woman with the stick.(which should draw some conclusions)

Some Talib's were nice, while other's were very intimidating to watch. In the case of this man, he had witnessed over 10 years of war and 4 years of civil war, losing his family. Surprisingly, he is still sane and attempts to adhere to his religion as best as he can after continuous hardship.

2 suggestions in this case

1) the man who had hit the woman with the stick was very narrow-minded and did not fully understand the consequences of his actions

2) If one police officer beats a man or a woman in Los angeles, do we blame the whole United States Police Force?

The taliban were not perfect, although they're law and implementation may seem rigid, they came the closest to a true Islamic Sharia compared to other taghut regimes and non-islamic based governments.

And the man who beat that woman with the stick was relieved of his command and punished.

JazakAllah khair for the questions,
May Allah swt bless you with increase iman and send you to firdaus..

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And what about Buddah Statues?
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Assalam Alaikam

The Buddah Statues-

Two clarifications

1) No one cared about the children of Afghanistan after the Russian invasion or its people. Children living in huts next to the statues were starving.The world was in love with the buddahs of bamiyan. The taliban ambassador have stated that buddhas of bamiyan were blown with the help of Saudi and Pakistani engineers over their rage that UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues.

When it was the British who used the statues for target practice and nearly wanted to blow the statues apart in the first Anglo war, yet no one mentions that.

2) It is an Islamic ruling to rid of all Idols whether worshiped in the past or in the present, this was the practice of Ibrahim Alayhisalam and Muhammad sws.

Scenario

If you are your children are starving at home, and i am a wealthy billionaire, i tell you that i will protect a certain aspect of your house, but i will not give you or your family any money for food or clothing.

If you had the means of getting rid of that part of your home, would you do it?

2nd Scenario

You are a mumeen who believes that all forms of Idols should be destroyed, you see a very large idol, and know through the Quran and Sunnah that Muhammad sws and Ibrahim Alayhisalam destroyed all forms of Idols.

Would you do it?

JazakAllah khair, Assalam Alaikam, And Again May Allah swt raise your iman and may you be in firdaus...

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What about Hazara propaganda that Taliban *massacred* their people.
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Two massacres had occurred, both in retaliation from the Taliban.

The Hazara, one of the leader's of them being Dostum, who was a savage warlord who was once backed by communism, between him and rabbani both feuding warlords who turned kabul into rubble during the civil war. In the case of hazara, certain hazara soldiers were told to rape and humiliate poshtun women and children. The reason being is that if anyone knows poshtun culture, one would realize that humiliation is worse than murder.

The hazara in Mazar who were mostly communist backed, as the Northern alliance who consisted of former communist backed warlords who also sought aid from Europe to fight the established Islamic State. The Hazara and other northern alliance commanders butchered thousands of poshtuns, in retaliation the taliban had done the same, to get equal.

One brutal talib leader who also abused the Sharia was Mullah Dadullah, who was told by the Taliban to leave for his brutality.

Mullah Dadullah however holds a strong grudge towards the hazara due to majority of his close associates and relatives were massacred and tortured at their hands.

"And if two parties from the believers fight amongst themselves, then make peace between the two. And if one of the two parties rebels against the other, then FIGHT the party that is rebellious until the order of Allah does come to pass..." [Quran 49:9]

The northern alliance rebelled against the established Islamic State, for those who overpraise Ahmed Shah Masood. Show me one documented battle in which he fought outside of pansjir valley for.

So the so-called massacre of hazara was in retaliation for the massacre of poshtuns.

Then some might bring you a statement from hazara.net stating what the mullah said "hazara are not muslim, you can kill them", which was a mistranslation in which he states if you find any hazara who denies sharia and rebells against you then you may kill him since he is not a muslim considering his statues of fighting an established Islamic State.


Now Comes the person who had asked about Taliban profiting from Opium.
Undoubtedly, you do not have to be even a mumeen to understand this.
Under the Taliban rule, Opium was eradicated from Afghanistan. However, since the Democratic rule, it has been revived. The taliban do not get their funding from opium, to state this, bring your proof.

Btw, when you ask a question, bring your evidence to support a claim.

Taliban nearly eradicate all Opium from Afghanistan

It is Hamid Karzai's brother Ahmed, who is profiting from the Opium, he is known to be one of the biggest drug dealers in Afghanistan. Opium was not started by the taliban, but condemned and nearly eradicated by them.

To say the Taliban get their funding from Opium, you simply just have to provide evidence, and if you do, i will refute your evidence.

 

[wilberhum]

CNN and other propaganda machines.

With your head so deep in the sand, don't forget to come up for air. :muddlehea

 

[Amadeus85]

Just for destroying ancient Buddha statues talebans should be condemned and named as barbaric. They shot at them from rpg's , using dynamite, machine guns, even muslims from other countries condemned this act.

 

[islamirama]

Despite my posting being there, you still your ignorance.

Only people should be condemed are the westerners who were crying out for the statues but didn't give a dam about the people, and the ignorant "muslims" in other countries who were parroting their masters.

Just for destroying ancient Buddha statues talebans should be condemned and named as barbaric. They shot at them from rpg's , using dynamite, machine guns, even muslims from other countries condemned this act.

READ AGAIN ...

The Buddah Statues-

Two clarifications

1) No one cared about the children of Afghanistan after the Russian invasion or its people. Children living in huts next to the statues were starving.The world was in love with the buddahs of bamiyan. The taliban ambassador have stated that buddhas of bamiyan were blown with the help of Saudi and Pakistani engineers over their rage that UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues.

When it was the British who used the statues for target practice and nearly wanted to blow the statues apart in the first Anglo war, yet no one mentions that.

2) It is an Islamic ruling to rid of all Idols whether worshiped in the past or in the present, this was the practice of Ibrahim Alayhisalam and Muhammad sws.

Scenario

If you are your children are starving at home, and i am a wealthy billionaire, i tell you that i will protect a certain aspect of your house, but i will not give you or your family any money for food or clothing.

If you had the means of getting rid of that part of your home, would you do it?

 

[Amadeus85]

Despite my posting being there, you still your ignorance.

Only people should be condemed are the westerners who were crying out for the statues but didn't give a dam about the people, and the ignorant "muslims" in other countries who were parroting their masters.


READ AGAIN ...

The Buddah Statues-

Two clarifications

1) No one cared about the children of Afghanistan after the Russian invasion or its people. Children living in huts next to the statues were starving.The world was in love with the buddahs of bamiyan. The taliban ambassador have stated that buddhas of bamiyan were blown with the help of Saudi and Pakistani engineers over their rage that UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues.

When it was the British who used the statues for target practice and nearly wanted to blow the statues apart in the first Anglo war, yet no one mentions that.

2) It is an Islamic ruling to rid of all Idols whether worshiped in the past or in the present, this was the practice of Ibrahim Alayhisalam and Muhammad sws.

Scenario

If you are your children are starving at home, and i am a wealthy billionaire, i tell you that i will protect a certain aspect of your house, but i will not give you or your family any money for food or clothing.

If you had the means of getting rid of that part of your home, would you do it?

Ok islamirama, but just for once try to control your hatred for infidels and ask yourself- was it necessary to destroy those ancient statues? For you they were just idols, but for millions of buddhists they were something important. So really under sharia law all places of infidel cult places shall be destroyed?

 

[snakelegs]

well, of course i think blowing up the statues was wrong. but islamirama has a point here:

No one cared about the children of Afghanistan after the Russian invasion or its people. Children living in huts next to the statues were starving.The world was in love with the buddahs of bamiyan. The taliban ambassador have stated that buddhas of bamiyan were blown with the help of Saudi and Pakistani engineers over their rage that UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues.

 

[Amadeus85]

well, of course i think blowing up the statues was wrong. but islamirama has a point here:

Yes but it wasnt buddhists fault that afghani children suffer. I still think that that act was barbaric.

 

[islamirama]

Yes but it wasnt buddhists fault that afghani children suffer. I still think that that act was barbaric.

UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues not the kids, many protested to the end of the status but not the kids. Who is really barbaric here?

 

[Sinbad]

The Buddah statues where a reminder of the scentific genious of the region before islam.

 

[snakelegs]

Yes but it wasnt buddhists fault that afghani children suffer. I still think that that act was barbaric.

it was barbaric when the u.s. washed its hands and walked out once the evil commies had been defeated. the u.s. used the people in its proxy war and than threw them in the garbage can. the world was indeed more concerned about the statues than about the starvation of the people.
i do hope you understand that i am not condoning the idiotic destruction of one of the world's treasures - i most certainly am not.
it's a matter of perspective what you choose to see as barbaric.

 

[Keltoi]

it was barbaric when the u.s. washed its hands and walked out once the evil commies had been defeated. the u.s. used the people in its proxy war and than threw them in the garbage can. the world was indeed more concerned about the statues than about the starvation of the people.
i do hope you understand that i am not condoning the idiotic destruction of one of the world's treasures - i most certainly am not.
it's a matter of perspective what you choose to see as barbaric.

The U.S. proxy war in Afghanistan, which it was, doesn't mean the U.S. owed Afghanistan anything. That might sound barbaric, but supplying arms to aid the enemy of your enemy doesn't mean you adopt a nation. It was payback for the aid the Russians gave North Vietnam. Do you think the Afghans and the foreign fighters there were killing Russians for the sake of the U.S.?

 

[Malaikah]

Just for destroying ancient Buddha statues talebans should be condemned and named as barbaric. They shot at them from rpg's , using dynamite, machine guns, even muslims from other countries condemned this act.

Wow, who cares about all the poverty and rape and murder and war! The statues mean that much to you huh?

 

[Keltoi]

The destruction of the statues was almost a metaphor for the Taliban themselves. No, the destruction of the statues wasn't the worst thing going on in Afghanistan, that is certain.

 

[snakelegs]

The U.S. proxy war in Afghanistan, which it was, doesn't mean the U.S. owed Afghanistan anything. That might sound barbaric, but supplying arms to aid the enemy of your enemy doesn't mean you adopt a nation. It was payback for the aid the Russians gave North Vietnam. Do you think the Afghans and the foreign fighters there were killing Russians for the sake of the U.S.?

no i don't. but i still think it was wrong to just completely lose interest in the country and its people once it had served out needs. people were starving and the world was crying about statues. i can see why some people took offense.
(please remember i most certainly do not condone the blowing up of the statues).