The true religion.

World's oldest Christian bible is available now online as a little bit of proof of its existence
many intelligent persons say it is truly written; on animal hide 1600 years ago .


Original manuscripts written on animal hide

A COPY of the world's oldest bible that has been made available online will help unlock several mysteries of Christianity, experts say.
The Codex Sinaiticus was hand-written by four scribes in Greek on animal hide in the mid-fourth century around the time of the Roman emperor Constantine.
Head of Western manuscripts at the British Library Scot McKendrick says that the digitising of the historical artefact means academics can examine the early workings of Christianity.
"The limits on access to this manuscript previously have meant that people have tended to dip, so that they have seized on particular things,” Mr McKrendrick said.
"This 1,600-year-old manuscript offers a window into the development of early Christianity and first-hand evidence of how the text of the Bible was transmitted from generation to generation,” he said.
The Bible's remaining 800 pages and fragments - originally some 1,400 pages -contains half of the Old Testament. The other half has been lost while some pages have been rendered unreadable.
The Bible can be viewed online at www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/, includes modern Greek translations and some sections translated into English.
 
this may well be true but it does not exactly specify who are the deny-ers , perhaps it means all those who deny the power of the original greek deities or the dreamtime stories of aboriginal peoples


And that's EXACTLY why God's given you an intellect.


Do you believe that there are many gods at the same time?

If there is more than One God, the other gods would compete with each other to make their own decisions. So if one god wanted it to rain, and another wanted it to be sunny, whose choice would come into effect?

Whoever lost, the other would be inferior - therefore not God. Since God is Perfect.

So there can only be One God.



Do you think that God set out the universe in a way that it would sustain and contain life? Yes. This is the case in the universe we live in.

If God has set out laws for the whole of creation, where we see that the planets revolve around the sun, the night follows the day, and the day follows the night. The rain comes in the exact amount - by the mercy of God - to water the plants for us so we have foods of different colours, smells and flavours for our benefit.


Do you think then, that this One God wouldn't send a perfect guidance for those who He has provided for since they've been born and till they die?


Wouldn't this guidance be the best guidance, which history has proven to benefit humanity at its peak? And wouldn't this guidance be for ALL aspects of life? Ranging from how to treat your wife kindly, to running a whole state with justice?


Wouldn't this guidance be given to a human like us, who we read about and is trustworthy in all aspects, who never lied once in his life, and we know all about him from trustworthy people? Wouldn't God send us a Messenger to be an example for the rest of mankind till the Day of Judgment?


Wouldn't this Messenger call to all that is good, a criterion between wrong and right, truth and falsehood, affirming what the previous Messengers of God called to of monotheism [like Moses, Jesus, Abraham etc], feeding the needy, uniting the black and white, keeping the family ties strong, and giving good news [to those who do good] and warning [those who do evil] of a Day which ALL of mankind - one by one - will be judged on all that they did in this life? Then they will either be rewarded or punished by God for their own deeds?


If you affirm this, then you by heart believe in Islam [which literally means submission to God.]



If you affirm this, i recommend you check this link for more info on the basics of Islam and ask any questions you have on the forum here;

http://islamreligion.com




Peace barrio.
 
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If there is more than One God, the other gods would compete with each other to make their own decisions. So if one god wanted it to rain, and another wanted it to be sunny, whose choice would come into effect?


That's why ZEUS reigns supreme .

Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the universe and its precision around us.

The dreamtime stories are 10,000 years old and explain the universe quite adequately
 
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If there is more than One God, the other gods would compete with each other to make their own decisions. So if one god wanted it to rain, and another wanted it to be sunny, whose choice would come into effect?


That's why ZEUS reigns supreme .

Believing in God is more than that, many intelligent people come to the belief in God simply because its logically plausible and is the best explanation of the universe and its precision around us.

The dreamtime stories are 10,000 years old and explain the universe quite adequately

ZEUS?

"Do you worship what you have carved yourself?" (Qur'an 37:95)
 
Lets take this back a step, I don't want to have this debate. It is quite wearying and turns up far too often.
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Earlier, people were narrowing down the list based on Pascal's wager, which I have rejected.

All of these religions are religions in their own respect.

I have another method of cutting most of them out:
The supernatural does not exist. If the goal is truth, let's eliminate all those that require the supernatural.

This leaves us with:
Pantheism,
Le'Vayan Satanism,
The Church of Euthanasia,
and some of the sects of Buddhism.
(if there are any others, please tell me)


The Church of Euthanasia is a mock religion, and Le'Vayan Satanism is just a kind of rebellion against authority.
So we have Pantheism and part of Buddhism.

I have already posted my rejection of the Four Noble Truths.

Pantheism it is.
All it requires is a total redefinition of the term "god" to mean "nature and the universe".


But why narrow down the list at all? People believe in all of these things.
 
excuse me but what is this above drivel all about? I am trying to see how 'Le'Vayan Satanism,The Church of Euthanasia' figures into the topic?

also you 'rejecting' as in failure to accept or acknowledge something, seems more like a personal issue rather than a lucid, coherent argument...

are we all about feelings here? because my feelings are for a bagel and cream cheese and some lemony tea...

I don't see how anyone can take a topic quite expansive and reduce it to their feelings? If anyone wishes to gauge an argument, it should be borne of some study..

this is almost as wasteful as being bombarded by one of those christian fundie or dawkin sites.. the majority exhibit excessive logorrhea from which the rest are left shrugging their shoulders and walking away..
 
let's liken religion to this question I pose since the question of correctness and why narrow it down is something in common-- I do expect an answer with a why..
a 34 year old man comes to the physician because of dizziness, right sided tinnitus, and fluctuating hearing loss, his tinnitus is intermittent .. he is otherwise healthy..

which of the following diagnosis does he walk away with?

1- benign positional vertigo
2- labrynthitis
3-Ménière's disease
4- migraine associated dizziness
5- vestibular schwannoma
 
also you 'rejecting' as in failure to accept or acknowledge something, seems more like a personal issue rather than a lucid, coherent argument...

are we all about feelings here? because my feelings are for a bagel and cream cheese and some lemony tea...

I don't see how anyone can take a topic quite expansive and reduce it to their feelings? If anyone wishes to gauge an argument, it should be borne of some study..

I mean rejection as a conclusion.

The problem with Pascal's wager is that no matter how many threats you make it does not make anything more true, except for the fact that you are threatening me.

If you were to point a gun at my head and ask me to worship you, I would probably comply until I was able to get away. It would not make you any more of a god than my cat is Allah.
 
I mean rejection as a conclusion.

The problem with Pascal's wager is that no matter how many threats you make it does not make anything more true, except for the fact that you are threatening me.

If you were to point a gun at my head and ask me to worship you, I would probably comply until I was able to get away. It would not make you any more of a god than my cat is Allah.

Thats preety stupid - Its more like a warning for your own benefit, If you dont heed to the warning you could get into a mess - a warning to help you eg - dont go near the fire - You take the warning and aviod the harm- you dont take the warning then you harm yourself.
 
I mean rejection as a conclusion.

The problem with Pascal's wager is that no matter how many threats you make it does not make anything more true, except for the fact that you are threatening me.

If you were to point a gun at my head and ask me to worship you, I would probably comply until I was able to get away. It would not make you any more of a god than my cat is Allah.

How is Allah pointing a gun at you. Is the educational system pointing a gun at you by saying "Pass your classes or get kicked out"?

You have responsibilities and failure to complete them means a failure to reap their rewards (IE Paradise as opposed to hell).
 
Let me add my 2 cents worth on the criteria of what I consider to be a religion worth following:

Has One God
who is beyond form and non form
who is beyond male and female and all of the pairs of opposites
who accepts worship in many different kinds of rituals just like a mother/father accepts all the gifts their children make for them, no matter how simple or elegant
who does not condone hatred of any sort.
is compassionate and forgiving and who loves all his/her creation

The religion would be non-dogmatic
Would allow and encourage questionning to promote better understanding
Would not prohibit exposure to other philosophies, because it is confidant in the faith of its followers
Does not claim to be the only possessor of the whole Truth, because, as humans we can never understand the Infinite.

This is a partial list.
 
I mean rejection as a conclusion.

The problem with Pascal's wager is that no matter how many threats you make it does not make anything more true, except for the fact that you are threatening me.

I think threat sums up all the pedantic beliefs of atheists.. everything comes down to them to threat.. it is unfortunate.
If a doctor tells you, that smoking is estimated to be responsible for approximately 87 percent of cases of lung cancer, including 90 percent of cases in men and 79 percent of cases in women, not to mention a host of things from thromboangiitis obliterans to COPD to emphysema to low birth weight etc etc and all there is in between, and you contend well milton Berele smoked a cigar everyday and he died to be a hundred.

well you can consider yourself to be forwarned, smoking not only ups your odds of death, but can hurt your wallet and decrease the quality of your life.. truth is, if you want to love a decent healthy life it will probably take considerable effort in all sectors, the way you work, play, excercise, cut down on the crap you ingest. But none of those matter because the cigarette box comes with a surgeon general warning which you find threatening.. so you find a host of ways around it, from arguing with folks smoking and living to be a hundred to the lots of money you have to squander, to how cool it makes you look, to your free will to whatever.. and in fact it is true, you have the free will to do as you please, it just doesn't change the fact of the matter!

If you were to point a gun at my head and ask me to worship you, I would probably comply until I was able to get away. It would not make you any more of a god than my cat is Allah.
The first statement was poor enough, but this one I'll have to entrust as your inner child speaking...

bottom line dude.. is, you should enjoy life.. it seems random and short and if there weren't an after life then frankly it is a perfect waste to spend your time arguing your feelings on an Islamic forum?

all the best
 
Sarada, that sounds like Pantheism with a collective consciousness.


pantheism is a belief that God is the universe.. given that the universe like everything else has a beginning and an end, it is unlikely that it is god.. since god by definition is the originator.. to expire and perish is to lose validity and said title...
 
pantheism is a belief that God is the universe.. given that the universe like everything else has a beginning and an end, it is unlikely that it is god.. since god by definition is the originator.. to expire and perish is to lose validity and said title...

I did say it required a redefinition of God.

if there weren't an after life then frankly it is a perfect waste to spend your time arguing your feelings on an Islamic forum?

Not if I enjoy it :D
 

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