(The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide show

[MustafaMc]

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You will face adversity in your life, but it is how you deal with that adversity that determines who you are.

Exactly! Where is the Justice and Mercy of Allah (swt) if we are mere puppets-on-a-string doing only what we are programmed to do and then getting rewarded or punished for what we did not have control over?

 

[Who Am I?]

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Exactly! Where is the Justice and Mercy of Allah (swt) if we are mere puppets-on-a-string doing only what we are programmed to do and then getting rewarded or punished for what we did not have control over?

Right, we might as well not even have been created if that were the case.

 

[siam]

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free-will and predestination

I prefer to think of it as "conditional free-will" rather than an either/or stituation.
For example---we cannot choose where we are born, when we will die, or some of the circumstances of our lives---but we do have control over our "selves"---that is we have the freedom to choose our intentions and actions.---and it is this (intentions/actions) for which we will be held accountable.

 

[brmm]

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Just a Guy, a question pls: do u know what is written in your name's logo (Avatar) ?

Pls let me your opinion about the movie.

Paprkia is a good choice because it is mild and matches many food, let us wait for Amigo and see what spice he will choose :statisfie , actually I am crazy about Aromat Salt from Knorr, I use it with all my food.


BRMM

 

[MustafaMc]

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Exactly! Where is the Justice and Mercy of Allah (swt) if we are mere puppets-on-a-string doing only what we are programmed to do and then getting rewarded or punished for what we did not have control over?

My wife and I were reading the Quran tonight and I thought this ayat was relevant.

Quran 6:125 And whomsoever it is Allah's will to guide, He expands his bosom unto the Surrender, and whomsoever it is His Will to send astray, He makes his bosom close and narrow as if he were engaged in sheer ascent. Thus Allah lays ignominy upon those who believe not.

 

[Who Am I?]

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Just a Guy, a question pls: do u know what is written in your name's logo (Avatar) ?

Pls let me your opinion about the movie.

Paprkia is a good choice because it is mild and matches many food, let us wait for Amigo and see what spice he will choose :statisfie , actually I am crazy about Aromat Salt from Knorr, I use it with all my food.


BRMM

I think the words in my avatar is the shahada written in Arabic script.

I haven't yet had an opportunity to watch the movie but I will as soon as I am able.

I almost went with cinammon instead of paprika, but I thought cinammon might be a little too sweet.

 

[brmm]

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I think the words in my avatar is the shahada written in Arabic script.

I almost went with cinammon instead of paprika, but I thought cinammon might be a little too sweet.

Actually I am happy that u know what it means, but don't u think that u r teasing the non-Muslims members ?

If you have the chance to stop in Copenhagen airport (Kastrup) be sure to get the Cinnamon buns in 24/7 shop there, it is so great, unbelievable.

BRMM

 

[Amigo]

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@ Ramadhan

You asked what would Jesus do? probably the same thing, He liked to answer questions by other questions. He is my Teacher and I try to follow his example, I have learned to understand why he did what he did.
You asked whether my answer is different for various types of people. No it is not different. What is different is those people, where each one of them is, and the particular road they have to go through to reach the answer. This is why a question is the best way to start answering. A question focus, and personalize. The same questions for various people to focus their attention in the direction of the answer.
Perhaps you want an answer not for yourself but for Islam/Muslims. Well, the same thing I think. Things go by stages, sometimes you can't just skip steps.

So giving me answer from the dictionary does not really help. I did not ask for myself but for you so that you can think about those question and notice something which is useful for the answer. If you don't want to think about those questions, yes, you are not ready for the answer, in fact you are not willing to receive the answer. Food get to the stomach trough the mouth, air gets in the body through the nose, etc... yes there are condition for truth, truth is life. We live as long as we participate, allow the proccess to procceed.
God does not force the truth on anyone. It is there ready to be received by those who will extand their arms to receive it. Truth is available for everyone, but not everyone receive it, not because is blocking the way, but because the individuals are not interested.
I am not refusing anything, you are the one who is refusing to move ahead.

I am not the one who possesses the answer. The answer is not in me. It is accessible to anyone. When I am asked, I can only point out, and you can go and see for yourself. So again, you can understand that I am not refusing you an answer because it is not in my possession. you are refusing it to yourself because you are refusing to move toward it as far as I can see.

 

[Amigo]

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Just a Guy, a question pls: do u know what is written in your name's logo (Avatar) ?

Pls let me your opinion about the movie.

Paprkia is a good choice because it is mild and matches many food, let us wait for Amigo and see what spice he will choose :statisfie , actually I am crazy about Aromat Salt from Knorr, I use it with all my food.


BRMM

Oh, sorry guys, I am not much into spices.

 

[MustafaMc]

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I wonder how 'stardust' would enhance the flavor of food?

According somewhat to Wikipedia, each stardust grain contained within meteorites existed before the earth was formed. The interest in stardust lies in the new information that it has brought to the sciences of stellar evolution and nucleosynthesis. The question yet remains, "What would stardust taste like when sprinkled over a plate of fresh peas?"

If someone does not understand what I am trying to 'get' at here then they are either being dishonest or maybe I just wrote a bunch of gobbeldygook that can't be 'got' except by Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking. A definition may be required here Gobbledygook is any text containing jargon or especially convoluted English that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible.

:uhwhat:muddlehea:?^o):mmokay:

I rather like curry as it reminds me of a dear friend from Pakistan.

 

[Ramadhan]

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You asked what would Jesus do? probably the same thing, He liked to answer questions by other questions. He is my Teacher and I try to follow his example, I have learned to understand why he did what he did.

I never knew that Jesus would refuse to answer someone's question unless that person first answer all the questions from Jesus, and that the answer was conditional upon that person.

You asked whether my answer is different for various types of people. No it is not different. What is different is those people, where each one of them is, and the particular road they have to go through to reach the answer. This is why a question is the best way to start answering. A question focus, and personalize. The same questions for various people to focus their attention in the direction of the answer.

what I see is that you are not honest by dancing around my question and would only give your answer on the condition that I answer all your questions first. And if I am unable to answer your questions, you refuses to answer my first question. You certainly have a lot of words, but most of them are empty, which I am not surprised. How would you like it if you ask a question about Islam and I will have you answer my all my questions?
Is this the standard practice among christians or just you?
Grace Seeker, can you please confirm? Should I now have you answer all my questions to you before you can ask a single question in this section?

Let me ask you and please answer honestly: do you really know the answer to my question?
Because if you don't, just say so, that would save me (and yours) time. And that would be far more honest and respectable.

Perhaps you want an answer not for yourself but for Islam/Muslims. Well, the same thing I think. Things go by stages, sometimes you can't just skip steps.

Now you are being paranoid. I want the answer for myself only, I am not representing Islam or other muslim.

So giving me answer from the dictionary does not really help.

why not? I believe in the definition given by dictionary.
You are now actually the one who only accept a certain answer to your question.

If you don't want to think about those questions, yes, you are not ready for the answer, in fact you are not willing to receive the answer.

What questions that I did not answer?
So how many people are actually ready to receive the answer? What are the conditions to be ready to receive answer for one simple question?
Does this mean God is unjust because only a select few people are ready to receive the answer?

Food get to the stomach trough the mouth, air gets in the body through the nose, etc... yes there are condition for truth, truth is life. We live as long as we participate, allow the proccess to procceed.

Huh? Can anyone explain what this means?

God does not force the truth on anyone. It is there ready to be received by those who will extand their arms to receive it. Truth is available for everyone, but not everyone receive it, not because is blocking the way, but because the individuals are not interested. I am not refusing anything, you are the one who is refusing to move ahead.

You are being dishonest here. I have been begging you to give me the answer, but you keep refusing me, telling me I am not ready.
Would Jesus do this?

I am not the one who possesses the answer. The answer is not in me. It is accessible to anyone. When I am asked, I can only point out, and you can go and see for yourself. So again, you can understand that I am not refusing you an answer because it is not in my possession. you are refusing it to yourself because you are refusing to move toward it as far as I can see.

come again?
Grace Seeker, can you help your fellow christian here and translate to me what he wrote above to a simple language that common folks like me can understand. It seems he was using a very wordy convoluted christian language that may only be understood by a pastor.

 

[Who Am I?]

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Actually I am happy that u know what it means, but don't u think that u r teasing the non-Muslims members ?

If you have the chance to stop in Copenhagen airport (Kastrup) be sure to get the Cinnamon buns in 24/7 shop there, it is so great, unbelievable.

BRMM

Hmm... I never thought of it like that. I will change my avatar immediately.

I love cinnamon buns too...

 

[Amigo]

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Let me ask you and please answer honestly: do you really know the answer to my question?

Of course I do, I would not be a serious Christian without clarity on that questions and many more that are at the foundation of the Christian Faith.

 

[Ramadhan]

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Of course I do, I would not be a serious Christian without clarity on that questions and many more that are at the foundation of the Christian Faith.

Ah, I knew that you are a serious christian and that you know the answers to many great questions regarding christian faith, hence I asked the question, and I was very disappointed when you refused to share with me (and thousands of other members and guests who read this forum) your truth of christianity.

Ok, let me clarify my position: in Islam, we believe God does not and never dies, and that everything depends on God, because God is The Sustainer.

Hence, let me ask you again, humbly and with open heart and mind: Since you as a christian believe that God died, what happened when God died?

 

[Amigo]

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Ah, I knew that you are a serious christian and that you know the answers to many great questions regarding christian faith, hence I asked the question, and I was very disappointed when you refused to share with me (and thousands of other members and guests who read this forum) your truth of christianity.

Ok, let me clarify my position: in Islam, we believe God does not and never dies, and that everything depends on God, because God is The Sustainer.

Hence, let me ask you again, humbly and with open heart and mind: Since you as a christian believe that God died, what happened when God died?

Ok friend, I have tried to help you see a full answer the gentle way, but you insist on your own way. So be it.
God also let us have it our way. It is for this reason that I will also let you have it your way.

Well, what happens when The Sustainer dies? Chaos!

 

[Ramadhan]

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Well, what happens when The Sustainer dies? Chaos!

But when Jesus (aka God) died, the whole creation didn't go into chaos.
So what happened?
Can you please enlighten me further?

 

[Amigo]

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But when Jesus (aka God) died, the whole creation didn't go into chaos.
So what happened?
Can you please enlighten me further?

Jesus is God in the human nature, not in the 'whole creation' they way you seem to see it.

 

[Ramadhan]

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Jesus is God in the human nature, not in the 'whole creation' they way you seem to see it.

I don't think I understand. Can you please elaborate more about God in the human nature?
So Jesus is not really God?

 

[MustafaMc]

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It seems that to Christians, Jesus was a 'human shell' which 'housed' God and that they worship this 'God-person' that dwelt within and not the 'human shell'.

 

[Amigo]

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I don't think I understand. Can you please elaborate more about God in the human nature?
So Jesus is not really God?

God is everywhere, even in the human nature.
And human nature is in different realms: the corruptible world (this world), the world of the dead, and the incorruptible world. God is also in everyone of these realms.
In this world, there is corruption, becaue the Sustainer is not sutaining our nature as He would like.
He is not sustaining it because we are resisting him even chasing him out, which lead to complete chaos or death: this is illustrated by Jesus life, passion, and death.
In the realm of the dead, the dead meet God, those who have died at peace with him, find life in Him, those who died in hostility with Him, He became Hell to them.
In the realm of the incorruptible human nature, or of the resurrection. God is at perfect peace with the human nature. There men enjoy communion with God.