The truth about the burka, women's rights other things

[LauraS]

I'm confused lol, there were two replies that have now disappeared but I'll respond to them anyway. :S

Yusuf Saeed- Of course if that has happened it’s disgusting, of course we don’t know how many of it is propaganda, but I can imagine there is more to it all than meets the eye. Like in all armies there are those that genuinely are good and believe what they are doing is right while there are people like those soldiers and suicide bombers who certainly aren’t doing right. Innocent people should never be targeted, I remember when September 11th happened and they showed footage from a country in the middle east (I can’t remember which now) and there were people in the streets cheering including children. HOW can you cheer at that atrocity?! Also, I’ve just thought, why do suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan keep targeting marketplaces? :S There are many many soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who feel they are doing the right thing and once again I reiterate that there are civilians in these countries and Muslims abroad who also think this. You may not think the soldiers are good to civilians but were the Taliban or Saddam Hussein? The wars aren’t black and white, both sides have done good and bad.

I can’t deny at all that, for his time, Saladin showed a great mercy to non-Muslims, but my point still remains the Muslims armies of the past would have done exactly the same as the other, taken land by force and enslaved people. I don’t think any of us here should try to make out that our ancestors have never done bad things and that our culture has always done the right thing. Every person out there is human and when they are part of an army, always pretty much did the same things. L

Aadil77 do you honestly believe the Taliban are the better alternative for the people of Afghanistan? Have you been to Afghanistan recently? Do you know how the people think or that there is an increase of brothels? Like you say I can’t judge for not being there then surely you can’t either? As I’ve said the Taliban had the chance to implement Islam properly but they didn’t, you say it was just a few leaders who caused problems and yet issues of oppression seem to have been across the whole country. You can’t say it was just a few one off cases. Disregarding your hatred the invasion can you honestly say the people aren’t happy the Taliban are gone?

 

[LauraS]

One further point is you shouldn't refer to us as "you lot" as if every Briton is responsible for what's going on, just like you may not want to be blamed for terrorism I don't want to be blamed with the fact the British government has gone to war. Have you seen the war protests?

 

[M..x]

Responding to your comment about tha state of Afghanistan. Obama needs to stop sleeping and wake up. I want to reiterate one point.. The state of Afghanistan has significanty deteriorated sinse American occupation. What EXACTLY has America done by going in that country? Ripping it to pieces, creating torture prisons with tha likes of Abu Ghraib, raping innocent girls and mothers? What have they achieved? Tha likes of Sadaam (Iraq) failed to adhere to Shariah law, no doubt about it, but where has Iraq moved on sinse his execution? Are you really going to tell me that the people in Iraq and Afghanistan have got their freedom back and are not oppressed because these wonderful Americans trotted along? They are better off without them AND tha Taliban =)

 

[S_87]

i responded but seems in forum prob it got deleted. cant be bothered responding but i ask you to remember that:

Talking of Saudi Arabia brings me on to another point, a married British couple were recently arrested for kissing in public. How come Muslims complain if western socities object to the burka but western societies aren't allowed to behave how they normally would in eastern countries? How is kissing your husband/wife in public a crime? Didn't God create us to love each other? When did showing love become a crime or immoral?

countries like saudi/afghanistan/ etc do not promote freedom of speech/belief nor do they claim they do. they dont promote nor claim to promote democracy. Brtain DOES. so you cant compare like- saudi does this then why cant britain because that is hipocratical.

just think the west are the “goodies”. It must be remembered that the reason for the war was September 11th, don’t get me wrong I know America is not the shining beacon of freedom and brilliance it pretends to be, but after the atrocity, were they really going to sit back and do nothing? I don’t think so. What about the rights of the people in the twin towers and in those airplanes? War was obviously going to be the result of what the taliban did, they are too dangerous to stay in power. Much as you might not like to think it there are Muslims are who agree with both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the countries’ regimes. The taliban had a chance to implement Islam “properly” didn’t they? However they were dictators, self-important men who wanted to keep women down.

please remember that propaganda is a big tool in war. many dont realise that afghanistan was a building country having just come out of a war. they dont show how the taliban were slowly building it up. they dont show the womens hospitals they tried opening. they only promote that 'no girls allowed education.' well if afghanistan was a 'extreme shariah' state then theyd know education was an obligation to both men and women. now a country buildinng up from scratch with limited resources. are they gonna put girls schools everywhere straight away or is there a balance? how do you know that there werent girls in homes learning from an elderly person?

 

[aadil77]

Aadil77 do you honestly believe the Taliban are the better alternative for the people of Afghanistan? Have you been to Afghanistan recently? Do you know how the people think or that there is an increase of brothels? Like you say I can’t judge for not being there then surely you can’t either? As I’ve said the Taliban had the chance to implement Islam properly but they didn’t, you say it was just a few leaders who caused problems and yet issues of oppression seem to have been across the whole country. You can’t say it was just a few one off cases. Disregarding your hatred the invasion can you honestly say the people aren’t happy the Taliban are gone?

Plenty of afghans have had to migrate here, I spoken to some lads and they all support the taliban, they said things were much better with the taliban. Its obvious isn't it who would want to get their whole country blown up. Look at the news - everytime civilans get blown up by the invading armies their families all call for the taliban back

 

[CosmicPathos]

@ Laura: If you are at so much pain about the killing of humanity then tell me that do you have fun in your life? Do you laugh at jokes of your friends? Do you go to the pub? If yes then all this talk you are having about how it hurts your when bombs fall on people is just pure BS.

 

[cat eyes]

you think that the problem women are facing in afganistan is the burka? lol

have you ever approached a muslim woman before in your life and asked her why she covers herself? go and do that and see what answers she gives you then you will know that what ever you have watched is a load of rubbish and lies to destroy peoples minds about islam and what it really stands for.

 

[LauraS]

@ Laura: If you are at so much pain about the killing of humanity then tell me that do you have fun in your life? Do you laugh at jokes of your friends? Do you go to the pub? If yes then all this talk you are having about how it hurts your when bombs fall on people is just pure BS.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you suggesting I'm not allowed to enjoy life because people around the world are dying because of wars? Afghanistan isn't the first war ever, there's been war all of the place ever since any of us were born. How you never laughed in your life? That doesn't mean I can't sympathise with suffering people. I think you you should reread your post and realise it's you that's talking "BS". If I spent my whole life thinking about people dying I would get depression and never do anythingl.

No I don't think the only issue in Afghanistan is the burka obviously.

Aadil77- if you read above you will see another Muslim who think the country would be better off without the cruel taliban and there are plenty more. That documentary are watch did show real people if it didn't show the darker side of the invading soldiers.

 

[Yusuf Saeed]

Yusuf Saeed- Of course if that has happened it’s disgusting, of course we don’t know how many of it is propaganda, but I can imagine there is more to it all than meets the eye. Like in all armies there are those that genuinely are good and believe what they are doing is right while there are people like those soldiers and suicide bombers who certainly aren’t doing right. Innocent people should never be targeted, I remember when September 11th happened and they showed footage from a country in the middle east (I can’t remember which now) and there were people in the streets cheering including children. HOW can you cheer at that atrocity?! Also, I’ve just thought, why do suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan keep targeting marketplaces? :S There are many many soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who feel they are doing the right thing and once again I reiterate that there are civilians in these countries and Muslims abroad who also think this. You may not think the soldiers are good to civilians but were the Taliban or Saddam Hussein? The wars aren’t black and white, both sides have done good and bad.

You are absolutely correct about both sides having done good or bad. But the Western propaganda in the end covers up the propaganda of those who fight against the Western occupation in the Middle-East.
When some mujahideen accidentally in their fight against the occupants happen to kill a couple of civilians we hear at night and day about how brutal they are, it's often out of proportion. But when some American airstrike happens to kill dozens of innocent people they do all they can to cover it up and not let the world know about it. That's why we often don't know about how many atrocities the American war machine has really committed in the region.

Of course some of these incidents make it to the media, but that is largely owing to the locals, not the Americans. I mean incidents such as thisone:
"Afghan officials said that up to 90 people were killed by the strike near Kunduz, a northern city where the trucks got stuck after militants tried to drive them across a river late Thursday night."
( http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/05/world/asia/05afghan.html )

Cheering at the atrocities of 9/11 is obviously horrible, especially when it's done by children. Also, suicide bombers blowing themselves up in the marketplaces also goes against Islam in several ways, and noone should condone such acts. According to Islam whoever willingly takes his/her own life will go to Hellfire. But it's important to note that the number of such suicide attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan skyrocketed after the foreign troops invaded the two countries. Although the Americans promised to bring freedom and safety to the region.

Saddam Hussein had little if anything at all to do with Islam. But let us not forget that he was an ally of the U.S. for decades and that the U.S. and the West in general provided him with billions of dollars. The blueprints of factories for chemical weapons in Iraq were provided by an American company. And where were the Americans with their "rights and freedoms" when thousands of Kurds were being gassed in Iraq?

American government has a long history of supporting repressive Arab regimes whenever it's of any use to them, all the "rights and freedoms" the U.S. preaches are forgotten when some kind of profit or chance of gaining more power is within reach.

 

[cat eyes]

What on earth are you talking about? Are you suggesting I'm not allowed to enjoy life because people around the world are dying because of wars? Afghanistan isn't the first war ever, there's been war all of the place ever since any of us were born. How you never laughed in your life? That doesn't mean I can't sympathise with suffering people. I think you you should reread your post and realise it's you that's talking "BS". If I spent my whole life thinking about people dying I would get depression and never do anythingl.

No I don't think the only issue in Afghanistan is the burka obviously.

Aadil77- if you read above you will see another Muslim who think the country would be better off without the cruel taliban and there are plenty more. That documentary are watch did show real people if it didn't show the darker side of the invading soldiers.

first of all the burka is not an issue. these people take money obviously to make these lies.

are you so foolish that you will believe everything you watch instead of investigating it yourself?

 

[LauraS]

first of all the burka is not an issue. these people take money obviously to make these lies.

are you so foolish that you will believe everything you watch instead of investigating it yourself?

Ak, it feels like we're all going round in circles. The documentary didn't make out so much that the burka was an issue, but women didn't feel comfortable not wearng one because of the horrified looks men were giving them, which was shown in the documentary, they weren't paid actors. No of course I don't believe everything the TV tells me, but are you foolish enough to believe that everyone in the documentary including the mother of the girl who sat and explained the reasons for bringing her daughter to the UK (for freedom from the taliban), the women setting up organisations for greater rights, one of their fathers that support her wholeheartedly and her family are all liars in the pay of the BBC? I looked up some of these organisations after watching and I'd love to help, but I don't know how.

My dad is in the navy and he has had Muslims come and say that they support the work in Afghanistan. Some of the people on the forum are in the same postion as me and have never been to Afghanistan so who are you to judge either?

One day I'd like to make a documentary that devotes half an hour to those in Afghanistan who support the invasion adn those that don't.

Yusuf Saeed- I've often reports of civillians who have been killed in airstrikes, it's not something completely ignored and I don't think anyone in the UK or US would believe no innocent civillians had been harmed. It's awful and despite mad scientis believing I can't feel sorry for people and live my life as normal at the same time well he's wrong. I spend a lot of time thinking about issues such as Afghanistan and I still don't know what to think, I think it's right to remove the taliban, but quite obviously the war's dragging on more and more people are getting killed with no particular end in sight. I makes me think we should just withdraw now, but would the new government cope? Would the taliban just come back? I don't want the people of Afghanistan to have to live with the taliban as they were and surely I'm allowed to think this without people having a go at me and saying "don't try to speak for a country you haven't been to" because I'm sure there are many many who don't want the taliban, like abother poster said they would be better off without the taliban or the armies. So I just don't know what to think.

I know all about the hypocrisy of America believe me, it's something that really gets on my nerves. A country that declares itself to be the home of democracy and freedom yet didn't get rid of the slave trade until the 1860's and even then didn't treat black people fairly. Then there's the killing of the native Americans (western films annoy me too). An American put a video on youtube slagging off the UK because of the Empire, but seemed to forget all of the above and we were thiry years earlier in getting rid of slavery (not that that excuses it of course). I've also read all about the "mistake" of bombing of the Iranian passenger jet. Although I'd better be careful of what I say now. I'm rambling anyway.

 

[CosmicPathos]

What on earth are you talking about? Are you suggesting I'm not allowed to enjoy life because people around the world are dying because of wars? Afghanistan isn't the first war ever, there's been war all of the place ever since any of us were born. How you never laughed in your life? That doesn't mean I can't sympathise with suffering people. I think you you should reread your post and realise it's you that's talking "BS". If I spent my whole life thinking about people dying I would get depression and never do anythingl.

No I don't think the only issue in Afghanistan is the burka obviously.

Aadil77- if you read above you will see another Muslim who think the country would be better off without the cruel taliban and there are plenty more. That documentary are watch did show real people if it didn't show the darker side of the invading soldiers.

Hi Laura,
Yes it would be very selfish and cruel of you to enjoy life while your brothers/sisters in humanity are constantly dying every single second of your life. Furthermore, for you to claim that you really care about their deaths, while you keep on enjoying your life and having fun, just highlights hypocrisy. Sorry, i had to say this. So either stop claiming that you care for these humans who are dying because your actions dont fit with your expressed sadness or really work up on your act.

 

[Yusuf Saeed]

Yes it would be very selfish and cruel of you to enjoy life while your brothers/sisters in humanity are constantly dying every single second of your life. Furthermore, for you to claim that you really care about their deaths, while you keep on enjoying your life and having fun, just highlights hypocrisy. Sorry, i had to say this. So either stop claiming that you care for these humans who are dying because your actions dont fit with your expressed sadness or really work up on your act.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuhu!
Brother, we are all allowed to enjoy the good things in this world God has not forbidden. There is nothing wrong with some laughter and joy in our lives as long as there is not too much laughter and as long as we don't forget that our ultimate goal is Jannah.

Having occasional fun doesn't mean we can't care about others. There were people dying also at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu aleihi wa salam) but it didn't stop him from playing with children sometimes for example.

Assalamu alaikum.

 

[cat eyes]

Ak, it feels like we're all going round in circles. The documentary didn't make out so much that the burka was an issue, but women didn't feel comfortable not wearng one because of the horrified looks men were giving them, which was shown in the documentary, they weren't paid actors. No of course I don't believe everything the TV tells me, but are you foolish enough to believe that everyone in the documentary including the mother of the girl who sat and explained the reasons for bringing her daughter to the UK (for freedom from the taliban), the women setting up organisations for greater rights, one of their fathers that support her wholeheartedly and her family are all liars in the pay of the BBC? I looked up some of these organisations after watching and I'd love to help, but I don't know how.

My dad is in the navy and he has had Muslims come and say that they support the work in Afghanistan. Some of the people on the forum are in the same postion as me and have never been to Afghanistan so who are you to judge either?

One day I'd like to make a documentary that devotes half an hour to those in Afghanistan who support the invasion adn those that don't.

Yusuf Saeed- I've often reports of civillians who have been killed in airstrikes, it's not something completely ignored and I don't think anyone in the UK or US would believe no innocent civillians had been harmed. It's awful and despite mad scientis believing I can't feel sorry for people and live my life as normal at the same time well he's wrong. I spend a lot of time thinking about issues such as Afghanistan and I still don't know what to think, I think it's right to remove the taliban, but quite obviously the war's dragging on more and more people are getting killed with no particular end in sight. I makes me think we should just withdraw now, but would the new government cope? Would the taliban just come back? I don't want the people of Afghanistan to have to live with the taliban as they were and surely I'm allowed to think this without people having a go at me and saying "don't try to speak for a country you haven't been to" because I'm sure there are many many who don't want the taliban, like abother poster said they would be better off without the taliban or the armies. So I just don't know what to think.

I know all about the hypocrisy of America believe me, it's something that really gets on my nerves. A country that declares itself to be the home of democracy and freedom yet didn't get rid of the slave trade until the 1860's and even then didn't treat black people fairly. Then there's the killing of the native Americans (western films annoy me too). An American put a video on youtube slagging off the UK because of the Empire, but seemed to forget all of the above and we were thiry years earlier in getting rid of slavery (not that that excuses it of course). I've also read all about the "mistake" of bombing of the Iranian passenger jet. Although I'd better be careful of what I say now. I'm rambling anyway.

No i dont believe nothing on t.v to be honest anything to do with muslims i find it difficult to believe because i know my religion has got nothing to do with the problems going on there. they try to make out its cos we are muslims.

they try and make out ''oh look at that poor muslim woman she has to cover herself shes oppressed'' blah blah blah blah they have no education what so ever any country that has poor education do you expect them to act morally? towards there wife or child??

i know women are getting treated badly there but that is EVERYWHERE. how many women get raped in america everyday?how many times have i switched on sky news and some little girl or boy was kidnapped on the streets of london or birmingham?? you say women have freedom in your country right, she can go anywhere she wants she can enjoy she can sleep around with who ever she wants, is this a life for a young girl? throwing her body at every one? why are you going on about afganistan. take a look at your own country for once. take a look at how many *****s get abortions and kill there unborn babies. how many babies are found in rubbish bins in london because some young girl was told its okay to have sex. thats your society okay. this is what your country is promoting. believe me you will lose sleep over it, its that disgusting..

ha women have rights you say they have bloody to much rights if you ask me... islam protects women.

it protects women from the evils of this world. this religion was sent to give rights to women and not to oppress them. dont judge this beautiful religion cos of a few black sheep.

 

[LauraS]

No i dont believe nothing on t.v to be honest anything to do with muslims i find it difficult to believe because i know my religion has got nothing to do with the problems going on there. they try to make out its cos we are muslims.

they try and make out ''oh look at that poor muslim woman she has to cover herself shes oppressed'' blah blah blah blah they have no education what so ever any country that has poor education do you expect them to act morally? towards there wife or child??

i know women are getting treated badly there but that is EVERYWHERE. how many women get raped in america everyday?how many times have i switched on sky news and some little girl or boy was kidnapped on the streets of london or birmingham?? you say women have freedom in your country right, she can go anywhere she wants she can enjoy she can sleep around with who ever she wants, is this a life for a young girl? throwing her body at every one? why are you going on about afganistan. take a look at your own country for once. take a look at how many *****s get abortions and kill there unborn babies. how many babies are found in rubbish bins in london because some young girl was told its okay to have sex. thats your society okay. this is what your country is promoting. believe me you will lose sleep over it, its that disgusting..

ha women have rights you say they have bloody to much rights if you ask me... islam protects women.

it protects women from the evils of this world. this religion was sent to give rights to women and not to oppress them. dont judge this beautiful religion cos of a few black sheep.

How many times do I have t let people know I don't judge Islam by the actions of the Taliban? I'm not on about how Islam treats women, I'm on about how the Taliban did in Afghanistan.

I do look at my own country, I have plenty to say about the issues in the UK, I can accept criticism of the way things are, but it's clear from this forum some people aren't too good at accepting it themselves although they're happy to dish it out. I don't know why you're getting so offended that I dislike the way they Taliban behaved? Surely you don't agree with them, I'm not even saying the invasion is the answer to everything.

 

[cat eyes]

How many times do I have t let people know I don't judge Islam by the actions of the Taliban? I'm not on about how Islam treats women, I'm on about how the Taliban did in Afghanistan.

I do look at my own country, I have plenty to say about the issues in the UK, I can accept criticism of the way things are, but it's clear from this forum some people aren't too good at accepting it themselves although they're happy to dish it out. I don't know why you're getting so offended that I dislike the way they Taliban behaved? Surely you don't agree with them, I'm not even saying the invasion is the answer to everything.

I know who the real trouble makers are who are all behind the taliban

 

[Predator]

A common misconception is that Muslim women are the only ones who cover their hair. It may be true that Islam is the only religion in which most women follow its directives to cover the hair, but it is not the only religion to have such directives.

It is particularly interesting to look at the case of Christianity, since Christianity is the predominant religion in the West, and it is Westerners, including observant Christians, who are often the first to criticize Islam because of the hijab (modest dress, including headcovering).



Is Covering the Hair a Religious Commandment for Christian Women?

There can be only one answer to this: yes, it is! Simply open the Bible to the First Epistle to the Corinthians, chapter 11. Read verses 3-10.

But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraces his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is the same as if she were shaven. For if a woman is not covered, let her be shaven. But if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. A man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. But woman is the glory of man. For man was not created for woman, but woman for man. This is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority over her head, because of the angels.

The meaning of this passage is plain enough. We can make the following syllogisms:

Syllogism 1

Praying with an uncovered head is a disgrace

Having a shaved head is the same as praying with an uncovered head

Therefore, having a shaved head is a disgrace

Syllogism 2

If it is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head, she should cover her head

It is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head - see syllogism 1

Therefore, a woman should cover her head

In other words, the passage means what it says. Have you ever wondered why Catholic nuns dress like they're wearing hijab (Muslim hijabi women, have you ever been mistaken for a nun? I have, more than once). Have you ever wondered why Mary the mother of Jesus (peace be upon them both) is always depicted in Christian art with her hair covered? Did you know that until the 1960s, it was obligatory for Catholic women to cover their heads in church (then they "modernized" the service)?

There are some interesting points that can be made about the Christian directive.

1) The explicit purpose of the Christian woman's headcovering, as stated by Paul, is that it is a sign of man's authority over woman. The explicit purpose of Islamic hijab is modesty. Strange how so many Westerners think that the purpose of hijab is a symbol of male authority. Maybe they know that that's what it is in their own religion (Christianity) so they assume that Islam must be the same...!

2) The Christian woman is to cover her head whenever she is praying, whether it be at the church service or just personal prayer at home. This may mean that if she is not praying at home, she is uncovered around male guests who are not related to her; or if she is praying at home, that she is covered around her own husband and family. If any more proof were needed than Paul's own words that the Christian headcovering is not about modesty, this must certainly be it!

If you feels that hijab is a sign of oppression for the Muslim female, please do read the above and then read the Quran. Believe me, if Allah SWT meant for hijab to be a sign of male authority, the Quran would be as unambiguous about it as Paul is in the Bible.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuhu!
Brother, we are all allowed to enjoy the good things in this world God has not forbidden. There is nothing wrong with some laughter and joy in our lives as long as there is not too much laughter and as long as we don't forget that our ultimate goal is Jannah.

Having occasional fun doesn't mean we can't care about others. There were people dying also at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu aleihi wa salam) but it didn't stop him from playing with children sometimes for example.

Assalamu alaikum.

Assalam Alaikum,

Bro, Our Nabi pbuh played with children because it is an important requirement for the psychological development of children. Playing with small children does not mean one is enjoying one self. There is huge difference in giggling while having a big jar of booze down at the pub and playing with small children for the sake of their development or emotional attachment.

Humans have the tendency to be hypocritical, make arguments and speak like they are the bastions of humanity and they care about the dying ones but if you really scrutinize their personal lives, its not all sad and gloom in their lives. Kher, may Allah allow us to feel the pain of those who are suffering and allow us to not excessively enjoy this life.

Walaikum assalam.

 

[Yusuf Saeed]

Assalam Alaikum,

Bro, Our Nabi pbuh played with children because it is an important requirement for the psychological development of children. Playing with small children does not mean one is enjoying one self. There is huge difference in giggling while having a big jar of booze down at the pub and playing with small children for the sake of their development or emotional attachment.

Humans have the tendency to be hypocritical, make arguments and speak like they are the bastions of humanity and they care about the dying ones but if you really scrutinize their personal lives, its not all sad and gloom in their lives. Kher, may Allah allow us to feel the pain of those who are suffering and allow us to not excessively enjoy this life.

Walaikum assalam.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi.

Amen, we really need not to enjoy this life excessively. And that was my point as well: not to have too much fun and enjoyment in this life, however, some is allowed. Of course I didn't have going to the pub in my mind as entertainment but we all have some fun in our lives and enjoy some moments and it doesn't necessarily make us bad people. Although the Nabi's purpose for playing with children may have been else than fun he probably also had fun in the process. He also enjoyed spending time with his wives and he has said: "The world is but a (quick passing) enjoyment; and the best enjoyment of the world is a pious and virtuous woman".

We should give Laura some credit for that at least she has come to discuss these matters with Muslims instead of feeding herself for example on Fox News as many unfortunately do. As much as I've understood she also doesn't support the foreign troops in Afghanistan and has also said she hasn't made up her mind about Afghanistan for example and that means it is our duty to present her with facts to the best of our knowledge and capability.

Brother, I hope this doesn't seem as if my purpose is to argue with you as it really isn't so.
May Allah guide us all on the straight path.

Assalamu alaikum.

 

[S_87]

LauraS there are women on this forum who wear the 'burka' (thats the wrong word btw, a burka is a style) rather the niqab-face veil and arent oppressed...