The Uneven Response of Islam to Universal Human Rights

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That is Christian doctrine and certainly not Islamic. The correct version is that regardless of what your religion may be, you should not trust Jews nor Christians:

Quran 5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Therefore, yes, Hindus should indeed also NOT trust (Jews nor) Christians, since they are specifically mentioned as untrustworthy. Therefore the universal religions rule is: NEVER, EVER trust a Christian. NEVER, EVER make friends with a Christian. Always treat Christians with the total distrust that they deserve. Always remember that Christian religious doctrines are in reality Satanic deceptions.


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The ayaat in context seems to be speaking of the modern day Zionist movement which hails from two polar opposites in theology and natural enemies of each other since two millenia - the Jews and the Christians forming an unholy and political alliance named Zionism in these times, the context eschatological.

 

[AhmedGassama]

I challenge you to bring me only one document about Human Rights which came from the west before the New Ages...
And if by chance you find one then was it approved by the society and politicians there ?

Human Rights started with Islam since the first prophets of Islam... And there is NO DOUBT in history about that!

However today, Human Rights of the UN is just a tool used by the Western countries to push their political agendas. As a matter of a fact they don't give any importance to the human life and to little children and women dying everyday.

So, in general, from you as a Christian in the Western countries to me as a Muslim in the Arab Countries, how do you want me to feel about the Human treatments of the countries of the west towards Muslims today ?

 

[kritikvernunft]

Human Rights started with Islam since the first prophets of Islam... And there is NO DOUBT in history about that!

The problem with granting rights is that this practice clouds the real issue. Say that every person has right to a loaf of bread every morning. That is beautiful. However, who exactly would have the obligation to provide every person with a loaf of bread? Not me. Not you. Then who exactly?

One possible way to solve the problem would be to say: If you still have a loaf of bread, you must give it to someone who doesn't. The problem with that solution is that lots of people would be on the outlook for other people who have bread, in order to arbitrarily claim bread from someone else. I do not believe that this system would work that well.

Another possible solution, is what they usually do, in order to implement that kind of rights, and that is to let the government provide bread for free to whoever claims a loaf.
Now another problem arises. Bread is essentially a free commodity. Therefore, it is cheaper than gas and oil. Therefore, it is cheaper to heat your house by burning bread than to buy heating gas. There are so many things that you can do with bread that is free of charge, than the government factories will never be able to produce enough bread. You can probably even turn this gratis bread into motorbike fuel. You can raise chickens on free bread, sell the meat, and make a good profit. It is obvious that some people will become stinking rich from repurposing free bread while the people who were supposed to eat it, will stand in queues for a thing that is perennially in short supply. If you do not queue for 3 hours per day, or have good connections with the distribution officers, you will simply not get free bread. Even if you get your free bread, you will find it of rather low quality, and certainly not meant to entice its non-paying customers to eat it.

Furthermore, it will still be needed to pay for the imports of wheat in order to produce that free bread. So, the government will run out of money. So, it will be necessary to raise taxes until the wheat bills for the free bread can be paid again.

If you carefully read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, what you will see, is that at least half of its provisions are free-bread doctrines. In fact, it is mostly a proposal for a gigantic taxation programme, in which the government will provide low-quality free-somethings by exacting ever-growing taxes out of the population, i.e. the total idiots who are not capable of seeing the Satanic lies contained in that very, very deceptive document.

The reason why prophets never promise to give you rights, but simply point out and thereby limit your obligations, is that the prophets do not desire to deceive you. They are messengers of the One True God, while the United Nations is a Satanic ***** doing the work of the devil. The prophets will never promise to supply you with free bread, because even the worst of idiots should know that it just means that someone else will be obliged to provide you with this free bread. There is simply no such thing as a free lunch. The end result is invariably that you will end up receiving very little of value for the enormous taxes that will be exacted out of you. As you know, high taxes are mostly a problem for the poor. The rich know how to deal with them, and in fact rarely pay them. I also rarely pay them. Almost never, actually. Most taxation are taxes on stupidity. Therefore, by clamouring for higher taxes, you are just confiscating more money from the poor, in order to give them low-quality bread that is perennially in short supply.

This is what the United Nations Satanic ***** wants to achieve. It wants to make use of your stupidity in order to deceive you. This is just Satan at work. Satan does not use force. Satan's only instrument is deception, and it works really well, because most people are dumb. Let the ones who want to pay tribute to Satan do what they want. There is no compulsion in religion. We pay tribute to the One True God, because this is our choice, and the pagans pay taxes to Satanic whores, because that is their choice.

 

[Scimitar]

Read my response from page one to see what God given rights to humans are and how the Prophet pbuh related this in his last sermon to the people.

I found this really good article online:

To many Muslims the Qur’an is the Magna Carta of human rights and a large part of its concern is to free human beings from the bondage of traditionalism, authoritarianism (religious, political, economic, or any other), tribalism, racism, sexism, slavery or anything else that prohibits or inhibits human beings from actualizing the Qur’anic vision of human destiny embodied in the classic proclamation: “Towards Allah is thy limit” 5.

In the section entitled “General Rights” which follows, an account is given of the Qur’an’s affirmation of fundamental rights which all human beings ought to possess because they are so deeply rooted in our humanness that their denial or violation is tantamount to a negation or degradation of that which makes us human. From the perspective of the Qur’an, these rights came into existence when we did; they were created, as we were, by God in order that our human potential could be actualized. Rights created or given by God cannot be abolished by any temporal ruler or human agency. Eternal and immutable, they ought to be exercised since everything that God does is for “a just purpose” 6.

GENERAL RIGHTS
(this is only one section of a lengthy paper by Dr Riffat Hassan - Professor of Humanities at University of Louisville, Kentucky)

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A. Right to Life

The Qur’an upholds the sanctity and absolute value of human life 7 and points out that, in essence, the life of each individual is comparable to that of an entire community and, therefore, should be treated with the utmost care 8.

B. Right to Respect

The Qur’an deems all human beings to be worthy of respect 9 because of all creation they alone chose to accept the “trust” of freedom of the will 10. Human beings can exercise freedom of the will because they possess the rational faculty, which is what distinguishes them from all other creatures 11. Though human beings can become “the lowest of the lowest”, the Qur’an declares that they have been made “in the best of moulds” 12, having the ability to think, to have knowledge of right and wrong, to do the good and to avoid the evil. Thus, on account of the promise which is contained in being human, namely, the potential to be God’s vicegerent on earth, the humanness of all human beings is to be respected and considered to be an end in itself.

C. Right to Justice

The Qur’an puts great emphasis on the right to seek justice and the duty to do justice 13. In the context of justice, the Qur’an uses two concepts: “‘adl” and “ihsan”. Both are enjoined and both are related to the idea of “balance”, but they are not identical in meaning.

“‘Adl” is defined by A.A.A. Fyzee, a well-known scholar of Islam, as “to be equal, neither more nor less.” Explaining this concept, Fyzee wrote: “…in a Court of Justice the claims of the two parties must be considered evenly, without undue stress being laid upon one side or the other. Justice introduces the balance in the form of scales that are evenly balanced.” 14. “‘Adl” was described in similar terms by Abu’l Kalam Azad, a famous translator of the Qur’an and a noted writer, who stated: “What is justice but the avoiding of excess? There should be neither too much nor too little; hence the use of scales as the emblems of justice” 15. Lest anyone try to do too much or too little, the Qur’an points out that no human being can carry another’s burden or attain anything without striving for it.16

Recognizing individual merit is a part of “‘adl”, The Qur’an teaches that merit is not determined by lineage, sex, wealth, worldly success or religion, but by righteousness, which consists of both right “belief” (“iman”) and just “action” (” ‘amal”) 17. Further, the Qur’an distinguishes between passive believers and those who strive in the cause of God pointing out that though all believers are promised good by God, the latter will be exalted above the former 18.

Just as it is in the spirit of “‘adl” that special merit be considered in the matter of rewards, so also special circumstances are to be considered in the matter of punishments. For instance, for crimes of unchastity the Qur’an prescribes identical punishments for a man or a woman who is proved guilty 19, but it differentiates between different classes of women: for the same crime, a slave woman would receive half, and the Prophet’s consort double, the punishment given to a “free” Muslim woman 20. In making such a distinction, the Qur’an while upholding high moral standards, particularly in the case of the Prophet’s wives whose actions have a normative significance for the community, reflects God’s compassion for women slaves who were socially disadvantaged.

While constantly enjoining “‘adl”, the Qur’an goes beyond this concept to “ihsan”, which literally means, “restoring the balance by making up a loss or deficiency” 21. In order to understand this concept, it is necessary to understand the nature of the ideal society or community (“ummah”) envisaged by the Qur’an. The word “ummah” comes from the root “umm”, or “mother”. The symbols of a mother and motherly love and compassion are also linked with the two attributes most characteristic of God, namely, “Rahim” and “Rahman”, both of which are derived from the root “rahm”, meaning “womb”. The ideal “ummah” cares about all its members just as an ideal mother cares about all her children, knowing that all are not equal and that each has different needs. While showing undue favour to any child would be unjust, a mother who gives to a “handicapped” child more than she does to her other child or children, is not acting unjustly but exemplifying the spirit of “ihsan” by helping to make up the deficiency of a child who need special assistance in meeting the requirements of life. “Ihsan”, thus, shows God’s sympathy for the disadvantaged segments of human society (such as women, orphans, slaves, the poor, the infirm, and the minorities)

D. Right to Freedom

As stated earlier, the Qur’an is deeply concerned about liberating human beings from every kind of bondage. Recognizing the human tendency toward dictatorship and despotism, the Qur’an says with clarity and emphasis in Surah 3: Al-‘Imran: 79:

It is not (possible) – That a man, to whom – Is given the Book, – and Wisdom, – And the Prophetic Office, – Should say to people:- “Be ye my worshippers – Rather than Allah’s” – On the contrary – (He would say): – “Be ye worshippers – Of Him Who is truly – The Cherisher of all.” 22

The institution of human slavery is, of course, extremely important in the context of human freedom. Slavery was widely prevalent in Arabia at the time of the advent of Islam, and the Arab economy was based on it. Not only did the Qur’an insist that slaves be treated in a just and humane way 23, but it continually urged the freeing of slaves 24. By laying down, in Surah 47: Muhammad: 4, that prisoners of war were to be set free, “either by an act of grace or against ransom” 25, the Qur’an virtually abolished slavery since “The major source of slaves – men and women – was prisoners of war” 26. Because the Qur’an does not state explicitly that slavery is abolished, it does not follow that it is to be continued, particularly in view of the numerous ways in which the Qur’an seeks to eliminate this absolute evil. A Book which does not give a king or a prophet the right to command absolute obedience from another human being could not possibly sanction slavery in any sense of the word.

The greatest guarantee of personal freedom for a Muslim lies in the Qur’anic decree that no one other than God can limit human freedom 27 and in the statement that “Judgment (as to what is right and what is wrong) rests with God alone” 28. As pointed out by Khalid M. Ishaque, an eminent Pakistani jurist:

The Qur’an gives to responsible dissent the status of a fundamental right. In exercise of their powers, therefore, neither the legislature nor the executive can demand unquestioning obedience…The Prophet, even though he was the recipient of Divine revelation, was required to consult the Muslims in public affairs. Allah addressing the Prophet says: “…and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs. And…when thou art resolved, then put thy trust in Allah” 29.

Since the principle of mutual consultation (“shura”) is mandatory 30, it is a Muslim’s fundamental right, as well as responsibility, to participate in as many aspects of the community’s life as possible. The Qur’anic proclamation in Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 256, “There shall be no coercion in matters of faith” 31 guarantees freedom of religion and worship. This means that, according to Qur’anic teaching, non-Muslims living in Muslim territories should have the freedom to follow their own faith-traditions without fear or harassment. A number of Qur’anic passages state clearly that the responsibility of the Prophet Muhammad is to communicate the message of God and not to compel anyone to believe 32. The right to exercise free choice in matters of belief is unambiguously endorsed by the Qur’an 33 which also states clearly that God will judge human beings not on the basis of what they profess but on the basis of their belief and righteous conduct 34, as indicated by Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 62 which says:

Those who believe (in the Qur’an) – And those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), – And the Christians and the Sabians, – Any who believe in God – And the Last Day, – And work righteousness, – Shall have their reward – With the Lord: on them – Shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 35

The Qur’an recognizes the right to religious freedom not only in the case of other believers in God, but also in the case of not-believers in God (if they are not aggressing upon Muslims) 36.

In the context of the human right to exercise religious freedom, it is important to mention that the Qur’anic dictum, “Let there be no compulsion in religion” 37 applies not only to non- Muslims but also to Muslims. While those who renounced Islam after professing it and then engaged in “acts of war” against Muslims were to be treated as enemies and aggressors, the Qur’an does not prescribe any punishment for non-profession or renunciation of faith. The decision regarding a person’s ultimate destiny in the hereafter rests with God.

The right to freedom includes the right to be free to tell the truth. The Qur’anic term for truth is “Haqq” which is also one of God’s most important attributes. Standing up for the truth is a right and a responsibility which a Muslim may not disclaim even in the face of the greatest danger or difficulty 38. While the Qur’an commands believers to testify to the truth, it also instructs society not to harm persons so testifying 39.

E. Right to Acquire Knowledge
The Qur’an puts the highest emphasis on the importance of acquiring knowledge. That knowledge has been at the core of the Islamic world-view from the very beginning is attested to by Surah 96: Al’Alaq: 1-5, which Muslims believe to the first revelation received by the Prophet Muhammad.
Asking rhetorically if those without knowledge can be equal to those with knowledge 40, the Qur’an exhorts believers to pray for advancement in knowledge 41. The famous prayer of the Prophet Muhammad was “Allah grant me Knowledge of the ultimate nature of things” and one of the best known of all traditions (“ahadith”) is “Seek knowledge even though it be in China.”

According to Qur’anic perspective, knowledge is a prerequisite for the creation of a just world in which authentic peace can prevail. The Qur’an emphasizes the importance of the pursuit of learning even at the time, and in the midst, of war 42.

F. Right to Sustenance

As pointed out by Surah 11: Hud: 6, every living creature depends for its sustenance upon God. A cardinal concept in the Qur’an – which underlies the socio-economic-political system of Islam – is that the ownership of everything belongs, not to any person, but to God. Since God is the universal creator, every creature has the right to partake of what belongs to God 43. This means that every human being has the right to a means of living and that those who hold economic or political power do not have the right to deprive others of the basic necessities of life by misappropriating or misusing resources which have been created by God for the benefit of humanity in general.

G. Right to Work

According to Qur’anic teaching every man and woman has the right to work, whether the work consists of gainful employment or voluntary service. The fruits of labour belong to the one who has worked for them – regardless of whether it is a man or a woman. As Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 32 states:
…to men – Is allotted what they earn, – And to women what they earn 44

H. Right to Privacy

The Qur’an recognizes the need for privacy as a human right and lays down rules for protecting an individual’s life in the home from undue intrusion from within or without 45.

I. Right to Protection from Slander, Backbiting, and Ridicule
The Qur’an recognizes the right of human beings to be protected from defamation, sarcasm, offensive nicknames, and backbiting 46. It also states that no person is to be maligned on grounds of assumed guilt and that those who engage in malicious scandal-mongering will be grievously punished in both this world and the next 47.

J. Right to Develop One’s Aesthetic Sensibilities and Enjoy the Bounties Created by God

As pointed out Muhammad Asad, “By declaring that all good and beautiful things to the believers, the Qu’ran condemns, by implication, all forms of life-denying asceticism, world- renunciation and self-mortification.48 In fact, it can be stated that the right to develop one’s aesthetic sensibilities so that one can appreciate beauty in all its forms, and the right to enjoy what God has provided for the nurture of humankind, are rooted in the life-affirming vision of the Qur’an.49

K. Right to Leave One’s Homeland Under Oppressive Conditions

According to Qur’anic teaching , a Muslim’s ultimate loyalty must be to God and not to any territory. To fulfill his Prophetic mission, the Prophet Muhammad decided to leave his place of birth, Mecca, and emigrated to Medina. This event (“Hijrah”) has great historical and spiritual significance for Muslims who are called upon to move away from their place of origin of it becomes an abode of evil and oppression where they cannot fulfill their obligations to God or establish justice.50

L. Right to “The Good Life”

The Qur’an uphold the right of the human being only to life but to ” the good life “. This good life, made up of many elements , becomes possible when a human being is living in a just environment. According to Qur’anic teaching, justice is a prerequisite for peace, and peace is a prerequisite for human development. In a just society, all the earlier-mentioned human rights may be exercised without difficulty. In such a society other basic rights such as the right to a secure place of residence, the right to the protection of one’s personal possessions, the right to protection of one’s covenants, the right to move freely, the right to social and judicial autonomy for minorities, the right to the protection of one’s holy places and the right to return to one’s spiritual center, also exist 51.

Excerpted from a paper written by Dr. Riffat Hassan, "Are Human Rights Compatible with Islam?". Dr. Hassan is a Professor in Humanities (Religious Studies) at University of Louisville, Kentucky.
Notes:
5. Reference here is to The Qur’an, Surah 53: An-Najm: 42; the translation is by Muhammad Iqbal, The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, p. 57 (Lahore: Shaikh Muhammad Ashraf; 1971).
6. For instance, see Surah 15: Al-Hijr: 85; Surah 16: An-Nahl: 3; Surah 44: Ad-Dukhan: 39; Surah 45: Al-Jathiyah: 22; Surah 46: Al-Ahqaf: 3.
7. Reference here is to, Surah 6: Al-An’am: 151.
8. Reference here is to, Surah 5: Al-Ma’idah:32.
9. For instance, see Surah 17: Al-Isra’: 70.
10. Reference here is to Surah 33: Al-Ahzab: 72.
11. Reference here is to Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 30-34.
12. Reference here is to Surah 95: At-Tin: 4-6.
13. For instance, see Surah 5: Al-Ma’idah: 8 and Surah 4: An- Nisa’: 136.
14. A.A.A. Fyzee, A Modern Approach to Islam, p. 17 (Lahore: Universal Books, 1978).
15. Ibid.
16. Reference here is to Sarah 53: An-Najm: 38-39.
17. Reference here is to Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 177.
18. Reference here is to Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 95-96.
19. Reference here is to, Surah 24: An-Nur:2.
20. Reference here is to, Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 25; Surah 33: Al-Ahzab: 30.
21. G.A. Parwez, Tabweeb-ul-Qur’an,(Urdu), Volume I, p. 78 (Lahore: Idara-e-Tulu’-e-Islam, 1977) .
22. Abdullah Yusaf Ali(translation) The Holy Qur’an, p. 148 (Brentwood, Maryland: Amana Corporation, 1989).
23. For instance, in Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 36.
24. For instance in Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 177; Surah 4: An’Nisa’: 92; Surah 5: Al-Ma’idah: 89; Surah 9: At-Tawbah:60; Surah 24: An-Nur: 33; Surah 58: Al-Mujadalah: 3.
25. Muhammad Asad (translation) The Message of the Qur’an, p. 778 (Gibraltar: Dar Al-Andalus, 1980).
26. G.A. Parwez, Islam: A Challenge to Religion, p. 346 (Lahore: Idara-e-Tulu’-e-Islam, 1986).
27. Reference here is to, Surah 42: Ash-Shura: 21.
28. Reference here is to Surah 12: Yusuf: 40.
29. "Islamic law – Its Ideals and Principles"in The Challenge of Islam, p.157(A. Gauher, editor, 1980; London: The Islamic Council of Europe).
30. Reference here is to the Qur’an, Surah 42: Ash-Shura: 38.
31. The Message of the Qur’an, p. 57.
32. For instance, see Surah 6: Al-An’am: 107; Surah 10: Yunus: 99; Surah 16: Al-Nahl: 82; Surah 42: Ash-Shura: 48.
33. For instance, see Surah 18: Al-Kahf: 29.
34. For instance, see Surah 6: Al-An’am: 108.
35. The Holy Quran, pp. 33-34.
36. For instance, see Surah 6: Al-An’am: 108.
37. Reference here is to Surah 2: Al- Baqarah: 256; The Holy Quran, p-106.
38. Reference here is to Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 135.
39. Reference here is to Surah 2: Al-Baqarah; also see G.A. Parwez, "Bunyadi Haquq-e-Insaniyat" (Urdu), in Tulu’-e-Islam, pp. 34-35 (Lahore, November 1981).
40. Reference here is to Surah 39: Az-Zumar: 9.
41. Reference here is to Surah 20: Ta-Ha: 114.
42. Reference here is to Surah 9: At-Tawbah: 122.
43. For instance, see Surah 6: Al-An’am: 165; Surah 67: Al-Mulk:15.
44. The Holy Qur’an, p. 194.
45. For instance, see Surah 24: An-Nur: 27-28, 58; Surah 33: Al-Ahzab: 53; Surah 49: Al- Hujurat : 12.
46. Reference here is to Surah 49: Al-Hujurat: 11-12.
47. For instance, see Surah 24: An-Nur: 16-19; also see Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 148-149.
48. The Message of the Qur’an, p. 207.
49. For instance, see Surah 7: Al-A’raf: 32.
50. For instance, see Surah 4: An-Nisa’: 97-100.
51. In this context, reference may be made to several Qur’anic verses. e.g., Surah 2:Al- Baqarah:229; Surah 3: Al-‘Imran: 17,77; Surah 5: Al-Ma’idah:1; 42-48; Surah 9: At-Tawbah: 17; Surah 17: Al-Isra’: 34; Surah 67: Al-Mulk:15.

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[kritikvernunft]

an account is given of the Qur’an’s affirmation of fundamental rights which all human beings ought to possess because they are so deeply rooted in our humanness that their denial or violation is tantamount to a negation or degradation of that which makes us human.

My personal opinion is that only the Quran is allowed to offer the exact wording and phrasing of what exactly the One True God meant to convey us as his message and his resulting divine law. Only the Quranic text can be considered to be axiomatically legally binding. The clarifications in the Sunnah are legally binding only inasmuch as they clarify the Quranic text, but do not have authority to introduce additional divine law. Therefore, no other document than the Quranic text and its legitimate clarifications in the Sunnah could ever carry the weight of legitimate divine law. Any other document could only ever be legitimate if it contain application of divine law, and not new introduction.

A. Right to Life. YES BUT. the exceptions are clearly listed in the Quranic text.

B. Right to Respect. AMBIGUOUS/UNDEFINED. What exactly does "respect" mean? The analytical statements a priori unambiguously defining the term "respect" are missing here. In such circumstances, this cannot be considered to be a legal principle. You must very, very precisely define the term "respect" to make the provision truly applicable. One possibility is to establish a concrete, practical list of disrespectful behaviours, while any other behaviour must be considered at least respect-neutral. From there on, believers can be requested to refrain from engaging in behaviours that have been explicitly listed as disrespectful.

C. Right to Justice. YES. Nobody can remove or detract the justice-seeking believer from the Divine Law that gives him justice.

D. Right to Freedom. AMBIGUOUS/UNDEFINED. NOT ALWAYS TRUE. "Freedom" is not always a good thing. Try to give "freedom" to your wife, and to wholesale release her from her duties, and then see how she reacts. Or try to release a slave girl who just gave birth the next Ottoman Sultan, and see how she tries to use her influence to shut down any attempt at releasing her.

E. Right to Acquire Knowledge. YES BUT. This principle can easily be repurposed into an obligation to imbibe ideological indoctrinations. Even the Soviet Union had this kind of "rights", which became translated into a God-given right for school children to memorize the manifesto of the all-soviet communist party. So, no. It is simply too easy to abuse this so-called right. I reject this right, because you have not addressed all security issues related in a credible manner.

F. Right to Sustenance. REJECTED. What other person would have the obligation to provide sustenance? This sounds too much like a new government taxation programme.

G. Right to Work. REJECTED. What other person would have the obligation to provide work to others? Again, this sounds too much like a new government taxation programme.

H. Right to Privacy. YES. ABSOLUTELY. Governments have no authority whatsoever to interfere in issues between husband and wife or parents and children. Entirely agreed.

I. Right to Protection from Slander, Backbiting, and Ridicule. YES BUT. This must be covered by the Qasis, i.e. the Hammurabic Codex, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", and may not be a separate legal matter, unless the Quranic text happens to make it one, which I seriously doubt.

J. Right to Develop One’s Aesthetic Sensibilities and Enjoy the Bounties Created by God. YES. AGREED. Humans are not supposed to overrule the laws of nature, as instituted by the very will of the One True God.

K. Right to Leave One’s Homeland Under Oppressive Conditions. YES BUT. WITH BIG QUESTIONS. It still requires the destination territory to agree to take in such refugee. Therefore, this amounts to an obligation to allow people claiming that their homeland would be oppressive -- how do we verify such claim? -- to move into your neighbourhood. It may lead to very serious political problems when you do this on a large scale. Therefore, this must be balanced against existing political realities.

L. Right to “The Good Life”. REJECTED. What other person would have the obligation to provide such "good life"? This sounds too much like a new government taxation programme.

This A to L program does not take into account that we were supposed to assist and help other believers voluntarily, through zakat and alms. I actually reject every attempt at replacing these provisions in the Quranic text by new government taxation programmes.

I personally have a bit of a problem in that realm, actually. I live in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and I am actually perfectly willing to spend Zakaat and alms on believers who happen to be truly needy, on the condition that their predicament is not something that will just return, because it is the result of an unaddressed behavioural problem. For example, I am not much interested in funding the drinking habits of a fellow believer who has run into trouble because of his issues with alcohol. Furthermore, I also have a strong preference of believers whom I can communicate with because they speak English, and who are at least able to read and write. Therefore, someone who would not be capable of making a post here, because of his lack of English literacy, is not included in my own target group of assistance-deserving believers, but undoubtedly in someone else's. Additionally, I am also not particularly interested in funding initiatives in faraway locations where I would have no opportunity to verify any proper use of funds.

In other words, there is certainly an unused willingness on my side to spend available for believers who happen to be dwelling in this territorial area. I would be more than pleased to heed the call of our Master, the One True God, and hence assist qualified other believers. The budget is there, but unfortunately not yet the opportunity to spend it. I am definitely open to suggestions.

I intend to carry out yearly Zakat calculations, earmark an additional alms budget (possibly the same as the Zakat budget?), and expend the budget on a monthly basis or so, on credible local initiatives and on individual assistance forays. The money will be reserved and earmarked anyway. So, I either manage to spend it or else I will possibly just throw it into the river, but I'd rather spend it.

Therefore, feel free to let me know of spending opportunities in that realm. I would be most grateful to hearing about them!

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Forgive me for rudely interrupting and submitting a, largely, unwanted, unwarranted, uneducated and purely biased opinion - however;

For something that fellow human-beings are banging on so boisterously about, nothing seems to be done by the Muslim participants to identify, reduce and prevent personal opinion and nafs from being rampantly slathered up and down this post and all over our Faith. "...argue in way that is best..."

As it is the last post just serves as a reminder of what having a personal opinion about Divine Instructions will do to a person for their apparent lack of FAITH in the POWER of their Creator, and pigeon-holing their charitable contributions by subjecting the recipients to a screening process.

When did we get so interested in getting lost in the detail with Shaythan, when the Power of our Faith is in the simplicity of the CONCEPT. Colloquially speaking, even the non-muslims know the devil is in the detail... Audhu billah.

This is a reminder for myself first. Ittaqullah - Allahu alem.

 

[kritikvernunft]

pigeon-holing their charitable contributions by subjecting the recipients to a screening process.

Well, if you can prove that you can post here (or elsewhere) in English, and you are a believer in my territorial area, and you have problems that can really be addressed with charitable funding, I am willing to chip in with funds afforded up to the amount of Zakaat -and alms calculations. What would there be unreasonable about this?

No trust in the Power of the Creator to send, specifically, their said contribution to where they intend it. Sounds like a COMPLETE lack of Faith.

You confuse faith in the One True God with gullibility.

In the One True God we trust, and in nothing else. Everything else must therefore be viewed with varying degrees of suspicion. It is exactly your very suspicion of everything that is not the One True God, that proves your exclusive trust in the One True God. How else can you prove your trust in the One God than by distrusting everything else? That is the natural corollary of exclusive trust and exclusive belief on the One True God.

True faith in the One True God is exactly the opposite of gullibility.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Well, if you can prove that you can post here (or elsewhere) in English, and you are a believer in my territorial area, and you have problems that can really be addressed with charitable funding, I am willing to chip in with funds afforded up to the amount of Zakaat -and alms calculations. What would there be unreasonable about this?

You confuse faith in the One True God with gullibility.

In the One True God we trust, and in nothing else. Everything else must therefore be viewed with varying degrees of suspicion. It is exactly your very suspicion of everything that is not the One True God, that proves your exclusive trust in the One True God. How else can you prove your trust in the One God than by distrusting everything else? That is the natural corollary of exclusive trust and exclusive belief on the One True God.

True faith in the One True God is exactly the opposite of gullibility.

Wow. A lot of pain being expressed. May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala ease your suffering and calm your mind. You've put a lot of restriction on my response or expected response. So I'll simply say this -

I worship not that which ye worship
Nor will ye worship that which I worship
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship
Nor will ye worship that which I worship
To you be your Way and to me mine

May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala have mercy on all mankind and forgive me. Amin ya Rabbil alamin.

 

[kritikvernunft]

To you be your Way and to me mine

Obviously.

But then again, it does not address the issue of getting rid of zakaat -and alms money.

As you know, the Quran basically admonishes us to dispose of these funds, because keeping them in your own accounts, will usually lead to metaphysical evils and other virulent infections.

I seriously believe that this is true.

Therefore, I will make my calculations and get rid of that money asap. I seriously do not want to keep it. It is in my impression even dangerous to do so; and this is not just some kind of superstition. It would contribute to handing over power to Satan, who will then manage to acquire control over things. So, you can reasonably expect to become a victim of targeted deceptions if you fail to make the appropriate counter-veiling moves. It is indeed always a question of self-interest. That is why it is even better to throw that kind of money into the river than spending it, which is always a glaring mistake.

I was actually thinking of spending it on Syrian refugees, or so. Unfortunately, they never seem to head in this particular direction. We are located quite far away from the Mediterranean basin, and it would take them quite a bit effort to reach these shores, since over land, they would have to cut all the way through Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, East Bengal, Burma, and then Thailand, to finally reach Cambodia. This may be an unrealistic endeavour, since it would lead them to venture through quite a few hostile pagan lands. I somehow suspect that they cannot do this on foot. So, they would have to find a way to sail to Suez, in order to steam ahead to the Indian Ocean. From there, they would still have to get through the Straits of Melacca and sail around the former crown colony of Singapore, in order to navigate along the eastern coast of the Malaya sultanates, and then cut through the Gulf of Thailand, in order to land on our southern shores.

In fact, I somehow suspect that it could be done even on a larger -- but still politically undangerous -- scale, and that it should be possible to raise the issue with the administration of some of the Gulf States for them to disburse some oil money and co-fund the refugees' living expenses. These Gulf States already do that in Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey anyway, to the tune of millions of of displaced persons. I somehow suspect that the Cambodian authorities could agree to take in a few thousand Syrian refugees or so, to sit out the Syrian war in this vicinity, especially if these refugees are adequately funded and followed up by a friendly and sympathetic Middle eastern state. Their diplomacy would be quite likely to work. Of course, some refugees may be more interested in heading to European-Union territory, but that must also be considered a hard problem, because there are serious political problems associated with doing that, while the first and foremost concern should be the option to sit out the Syrian war somewhere in safety. They can always decide later on to do something else, or even possibly go back when the hostilities in their homeland have more or less subsided (any time soon?).

So, I am certainly interested in doing something in that realm too, why not? Syrian refugees are not alcoholics, but people who have had the bad luck of seeing their homeland turn into a war zone. Therefore, I would definitely lower my natural levels of suspicion for anything related to the needs of people trying to get away from the war in Syria.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Unfortunately, they never seem to head in this particular direction.

Do you think it beneath the Creator to apply funds and intent to the cause you so desire? Putting limitations on the Power of the Creator is a dangerous thing...

 

[kritikvernunft]

Do you think it beneath the Creator to apply funds and intent to the cause you so desire?

Well, assistance to Syrian refugees looks so much something entirely appropriate for the use of charity funds. Therefore, it is very attractive to pick it as a destination for such funds. It is just fraught with practical difficulties. There are not here. They may possibly not even want to come here. It may be difficult and even unreasonable for them to come here. So, yes, obstacles galore.

Putting limitations on the Power of the Creator is a dangerous thing...

There would be no point in doing that. The Creator will simply do what he decides to do. It is not a question of putting limitations. It is rather a question of not trying to second-guess what the Creator will be doing next. I do not count on the availability of that kind of information, because doing so, is utterly unreasonable.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Well, assistance to Syrian refugees looks so much something entirely appropriate for the use of charity funds. Therefore, it is very attractive to pick it as a destination for such funds. It is just fraught with practical difficulties. There are not here. They may possibly not even want to come here. It may be difficult and even unreasonable for them to come here. So, yes, obstacles galore.

There would be no point in doing that. The Creator will simply do what he decides to do. It is not a question of putting limitations. It is rather a question of not trying to second-guess what the Creator will be doing next. I do not count on the availability of that kind of information, because doing so, is utterly unreasonable.

So you've both limited yourself from making reasonable efforts to donate to your chosen cause, and claimed ignorance to the limitless capabilities of the Creator...

By Allah, I never saw a prisoner better than Khubaib. By Allah, one day I saw him eating of a bunch of grapes in his hand while he was chained in irons, and there was no fruit at that time in Mecca."

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Well, assistance to Syrian refugees looks so much something entirely appropriate for the use of charity fundsdestination for such funds. It is just fraught with practical difficulties. There are not here. They may possibly not even want to come here. It may be difficult and even unreasonable for them to come here. So, yes, obstacles galore

You could always extend your charity to a Cambodian orphan... At least, that's if you insist that the Creator cannot send/apply your zakaat to the Syrian Refugees in accordance with your prequalification process. What do you know of what Islam says regarding the orphans and the reward for caring for them?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you kritikvernunft;

Well, assistance to Syrian refugees looks so much something entirely appropriate for the use of charity funds. Therefore, it is very attractive to pick it as a destination for such funds.

Ameen.

It is just fraught with practical difficulties. There are not here. They may possibly not even want to come here. It may be difficult and even unreasonable for them to come here. So, yes, obstacles galore.

There are Muslim charities that overcome all these problems, the biggest problem is, you would have to part with some of your great wealth.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric

 

[kritikvernunft]

You could always extend your charity to a Cambodian orphan... At least, that's only if you insist that the Creator cannot send/apply your zakaat to the place you so desire... What do you know of what Islam says regarding the orphans and the reward for caring for them?

Yes, orphans are also a possibility. Never thought of this option actually. Where would I find them?

Oh. There may be an issue, though. Thinking of it, orphans are children. There is a massive issue in Cambodia concerning foreigners showing interest to children, because of the issue of pedophiles who got arrested here. It is the same problem as in the Phillipines. The issue has become highly mediatized and politicized. Therefore, for the sake of the argument, I may want to choose another target group, because I do not wish to be confused for a pedophile. In other words, seeking to contact orphans is pretty much off-limit. I cannot imagine myself going to orphanage and getting accused of all kinds of evil mischief. Showing interest in local children is really something to avoid, because even innocent friendliness will be misinterpreted for evil behaviour. Getting involved in this field may actually land you in a detention facility, where you could be languishing for decades. I entirely understand the need to help children, but not with the risk of facing all kinds of very shameful accusations. So, no, no local children.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

So, no, no local children.

If you put half as much critical analysis into actually donating charity, you would have done it by now...

 

[kritikvernunft]

There are Muslim charities that overcome all these problems, the biggest problem is, you would have to part with some of your great wealth.

Ha ah ah ;-)

You do not need to be rich to pay for charity.

The zakaat -and alms calculations should keep charity affordable to even the most moderate incomes. In my impression, all computations are pretty much proportionalized, with exemptions for basic necessities and so. If you have less, you automatically pay less. Therefore, none of that should be an issue, unless you are in serious financial trouble, but in that case, your role in this game would just reverse from donating party to recipient. So, in my impression, everybody can participate in this game, regardless of actual income level.

 

[sister herb]

Its neighbors are just awful, the worst of the worst.

Israel´s neighbors are awful? Well, it´s neighbors can say the same about it.

What comes to the Coptics in Egypt, I don´t think they can complain very much. They live in their own homes, not in the concentration... sorry refugee camps like Palestinians in their own country, Egyptian army doesn´t bomb their heads off at every five years, they can travel freely, there isn´t any economic blockade which would prevent them to get their daily dose of food etc.

Technically they feel great.

Of course every Egyptians live now under the fear in general, thanks for the military coup. If you have noticed, those western democratic countries whose swear for the name of the human rights, haven´t declared the political, military or economical boycott against the Egypt´s non-democratic government and they also are very quiet when the ex-president (who was elected in free, democratic elections) still sits in the jail. Why´s that if the human rights are so important and belongs to all?

Or does the human rights belong only for the people in the west, not to others?

 

[kritikvernunft]

If you put half as much critical analysis into actually donating charity, you would have done it by now...

Indeed, all of this is probably professional bias. You should try to manually do a few public-key elliptic curve cryptography computations, or try to fend off code injection issues.

You see, this very page says:

<meta name="generator" content="vBulletin 4.2.2" />

While they ominously say this about vBulletin 4.2.2: includes ability to download vB4, which we will no longer sell separately.
This means that the vBulletin team are already systematically throwing away vulnerability reports concerning vb4.

You see, the automated attack bots will already have integrated this here. Especially, CVE-2014-2022, really looks not good at all.
It is obviously just an accident waiting to happen, since any such attack can trivially easily be automated, and therefore probably already is.

If they can attack, they will attack.
You can doubt this, but only at your own risk and peril.

You see, it may look overly complicated what I just did, but if you are used to doing this for a living, it takes less time to figure it all out, than to write a few sentences about it. You will have understood everything within seconds.

Therefore, since I get paid for doing "critical analysis", you can imagine that I do not think much of doing it.

Even my religious mantra is quite reinforced by my professional bias: In the one God we trust and in nothing else.

If I thought any differently, I should probably do another job instead, because total distrust is pretty much the essence of any security job; and not only in software. So, since it makes me really good money to distrust everything, except for the One true God, what did you expect me to do? To trust other things too?

No, thanks. I would rather nicely stay in business! ;-)

 

['abd al-hakeem]

May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala guide you to the Right Path. Amin