The War Against Homosexuality.

[Trumble]

if homosexuality were a disease or related to genes, then you would have homosexuals in every place and time. however this is not the case. in most times and places, homosexuality is a rare case it at all it exists. only when the West gave freedom to homosexuality and started educating ppl that it was normal, that it has started to increase.

Er, what? It very much was and is the case, everywhere from ancient China and Greece to modern day Iran (whatever the leadership there might like to pretend).

Actually, attitudes to homosexuality have changed very little from ancient times. Homosexuality was a capital offence within the Roman army, for example, (for much the same reasons given in regard to ban in the US armed forces until recently), but had widespread acceptance outside it including widespread homosexual rape of the vanquished. Attitudes also varied from place to place and culture to culture even across fairly small geographic areas, as today; homosexuality was forbidden in Sparta yet the Theban Sacred Band (who were just as kick-ass as the Spartans) was comprised of pairs of male lovers. One difference, though, was the absence of the 'effeminate' stereotype perpetuated today - there were too many gay and bi 'role-models' likely to stick a spear through your gut without a moments hesitation if you offended them. Alexander the Great springs to mind.

 

[جوري]

there were too many gay and bi 'role-models' likely to stick a spear through your gut without a moments hesitation if you offended them. Alexander the Great springs to mind.

:haha: that was funny.. and very below the belt.. sure they'd like to stick that indefatigable spear to many a willing and not so willing recipients ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for being the ever lively crusader for gay rights.. I am sure those head chopping Afghans would love more homos in the army.. perhaps the U.S and its poodles are just running out of regular ole effete chawbacons to send so they reach for the fruitcakes?.. it doesn't take much to be in the military now a days all you need is strong hatred and carpet bombing equipments!

best,

 

[Abz2000]

i think growing up being told it's ok to ram it up the **** of another bloke plays the largest part
while the fbi give derogatory information about Islam to new recruits (see vales lilly's post),
and the mass media try to poison people's minds against their Muslim neighbours
they give it their best effort to convince kids in school that saying sodomy is wrong is somehow bigoted and wrong.
hell, they'll even give them detention or expel them for it!

 

[Tawangar]

i think growing up being told it's ok to ram it up the **** of another bloke plays the largest part
while the fbi give derogatory information about Islam to new recruits (see vales lilly's post),
and the mass media try to poison people's minds against their Muslim neighbours
they give it their best effort to convince kids in school that saying sodomy is wrong is somehow bigoted and wrong.
hell, they'll even give them detention or expel them for it!

ha ha ha ...good one....

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Asalaam walekum,
If your muslim then you should be aware of the story of Lut AS, if you arent then start reading the quran, this is the best month for it. A severe punishment came on the people of Lut AS for being homosexuals. I am shocked to see muslims defend this sick and twisted action, believing they are giving dawah by saying its ok to be gay, as long as you listen to my dawah or maybe for the sake of political correctness. I personally would not harm homosexuals nor encourage anyone to do so, but will ask them to stay away from me and make sure I let them know how disgusted I am by their so called alternative lifestyle.
On my many visits to Pakistan especially the rural areas the villages where free mixing of the sexes is much more restricted, frustrated young boys and even older males turn to gay sex to fulfill their desires. Majority of them will not refrain from having sex with a female if presented with the opportunity or until they got married, and some will go on with this habit throughout most of their live. Having said that gay men will only want to have sex with other men, as is also proven from the people of Lot AS when the two angels came in the form of two handsome young men, the people of Lut AS wanted them for their desires, Lut AS told them go to your wives but they didnt listen and said we will be back for men.
We cant really say homosexuality is a mental disease as most gay men are of sound intelligence, its mentally corrupted individuals who cant find satisfaction in women and seek it with other men.
Homosexuality is sick and twisted, could easily lead to peadophilia, with gay men adopting children. It curbs the reproduction of humans, requires a very twisted mindset and is despised by any moral society.

 

[Abz2000]

We cant really say homosexuality is a mental disease as most gay men are of sound intelligence, its mentally corrupted individuals who cant find satisfaction in women and seek it with other men.

i think the term used to refer to people with twisted minds - especially in case of unnatural sex is P.E.R.V.E.R.T

it would be a term that was also used in england at one time - and sodomy was punishable by death, it was also illegal in many states in the us until bush came to power.
somehow they became "morally right" and decided their forefathers were bigoted.


i totally agree with you and am amazed to see many "Muslims" sidestepping the issue or even condoning out of a desire to be accepted by those whose minds have become deluded due to the massive amounts of corporate controlled tv they consume
or so as to be seen as "moderate"

so is incest going be legal soon as well (only a majority vote required- along with some sitcoms and soaps and documentaries) just because certain politicians like the idea, will people call those who see it as a perversion "bigoted"?
and will Muslims hide the verses in the Quran: Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers.....(Quran 4:23) out of fear of being seen as "fundamentalist" or "extreme"?


52. And you see those in whose hearts is a disease - how eagerly they run about amongst them, saying:
"We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us harm."
Ah! perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory, or a decision according to His will. Then will they repent of the thoughts which they secretly harboured in their hearts.
53. And those who believe will say: "Are these the men who swore their strongest oaths by Allah, that they were with you?" All that they do will be in vain, and they will fall into (nothing but) ruin.
54. O you who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith,
soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,
- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters,
fighting in the way of Allah,

and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault.

That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.
55. Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).
56. As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph.
57. O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear Allah, if you have faith (indeed).
Quran 5:52-57


peace............to those who follow the guidance

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

These next 10 days are too important to waste debating such topics so this thread is closed until after Ramadan.