The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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Akhee, please give me the classifications of those ahadith that you have just quoted. As you know, we do not attribute da'eef or mawdoo' ahadith to the Prophet (SAW), as that would be lying against him. Rather we should say, it was reported, instead of 'The Prophet said..'. when it comes to weak or fabricated hadith.

:wasalamex

assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

i dedect that you have somehow deduced that these narrations are not worthy of being used because you have seen stronger sources from scholars, respected ukhtee i respect your opinion and decision.

i find that the 'ulama who have gone in-depth with fiqh and masaa'il have found it permissable if not commendable to use these ahaadith therefore i consider the hadith to be valid. InshaAllah that is also why i think that hadith is speaking only to men

also i do not know the classifications of the hadith, it was not given so allahu a'lam

 

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I found this on the net:

All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet\'s prayer (sallallaahu \'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu \'alaihi wa sallam), \"Pray as you have seen me praying\", includes women.

This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh\'i, who said, \"A woman\'s actions in the prayer are the same as a man\'s\" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him.

Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa\', \"that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding.\"

The hadeeth about the indimaam (tucking up) of a woman in prostration, and that she is in that regard not like a man, is mursal and not authentic. Abu Daawood transmitted it in al-Maraaseel on the authority of Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb.

As for what Imaam Ahmad has reported, as in his son \'Abdullaah\'s Masaa\'il, from Ibn \'Umar, that he used to instruct his wives to sit cross-legged in prayer, its sanad is not authentic, for it contains \'Abdullaah ibn \'Umar al-\'Amri, who is a da\'eef (weak) narrator.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

I don't know about you brothers and sisters but I feel as though we are going around in circles.

One members thinks this and the other that, just argumentation after argumentation.

Can you blame me if I close the thread? Honestly now what is the point in this? If you're truly after the Haqq then you'd do extensive research and that research should lead one to the Quran and Sunnah and the way of the Salaaf.

If you are pleased/happy with what you found that then Khalas! I don’t think there is any point in arguing about it. However, if you want to seek knowledge and verification then ask away...but I am not up for argumentation for surely it is from Shaytan.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ agreed ukhtee. may Allah help us guide us all, dont wanna go jahannam

 

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Yes your right i think this thread should be closed inshaallah its not really getting anywhere and is seemingly leading to arguments

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Are we in agreement that this thread has had its day and thus should be closed?

All praise is due to Allah.

Thread closed.

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