They arent Terrorists, cos they aint Muslims

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Hana_Aku said:
Bingo, Barney!

You have just described the illegal invasion of Iraq by US and British forces. Congrats!

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Deliberate targeting proof please. Show me the UK helmets worn by the suicide bombers. Show me the waves of B52's carpet bombing the Iraqi people as opposed to the extreme lenghs taken by the coalition to prevent civilian casulties.
Contrast please with the jihadists "in the name of Islam" shredding football playing kids.

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The ones engaged in targeting the allies of the Iraqi Government: Rebels. (not many of them about)
The ones Blowing up iraqi kids and mothers to the tune of 100 a day: terrorists (thousands of them)
The Jihadists coming into the soverign State of iraq from Iran Syria Palastine: invaders.
The US & UK Troops Protecting the Soverign people of iraq from Death squads. Liberators. (Check my signiture, iraq's freely elected government is ASKING us to stay and help, we are Allies with them.)
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The ones engaged in targeting the allies of the Iraqi Government: Iraqi Govt or US puppets?

The ones Blowing up iraqi kids and mothers to the tune of 100 a day: Yes the bombs which they dropped form the skies killing women children and people and destroying their homes: USA and UK

The Jihadists coming into the soverign State of iraq from Iran Syria Palastine: Well maybe you havent heard but the Muslims are told to help one another. The US and UK invaded and started killing civilians calling it 'colleteral damage' so its their duty to go and fight the invaders.

The US & UK Troops Protecting the Soverign people of iraq from Death squads. Liberators: Protecting or suppressing? An Iraqi who today would say to a troop "go home" would be arrested as a terrorist. They break into everyones homes day and night at will. Dosent sound like liberation to me. So stop talking rubbish mate.
Wasnt opposed, the vote wasnt taken due to France & Russia's veto threats.
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Well maybe you didnt hear but that what the UN is, it votes, and if its not taken due to opposition dosent mean you just say "what the hell, lets just do it anyways"
The Majority of iraqi people then....and now ...agreed with it. =Liberation.
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Yes I am sure they carried out a poll in Iraq before they went in and bombed their cities destroying everything in sight.
 
Part of the definition is trying to impose a form of ideology or government in another country. Does that ring a bell? Yup! Democracy! How about trying to make a democratic government when majority dont want it?
 
Any group that intentionally and willfully targets a civilian population to achieve a political objective is a terrorist. That includes ETA, IRA, KKK, Al-Qaeda, and the list goes on. The fact that this article refers to ETA as a separatist group is because ETA has a separatist goal. When ETA uses terrorist tactics in an attempt to further that goal they are called exactly that, terrorists.
 
akulion said:
To you it may be "%$%%$%" but to me it isnt.

I dont know if you followed the debate on BBC

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Has the word "terrorism" lost its meaning?

What do people mean when they describe something as "terrorism"?

British Prime Minister Tony Blair called the killing of four British servicemen and their translator on Thursday an "act of terrorism".

Can insurgents in Iraq - who some would say use terror tactics against the general population - be accused of terrorism when it applies to troops?

After all who are the insurgents? Its the Iraqi people wanting the USA and UK out!
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Attacks on the allies of the freely elected Govt of Iraq are rebel attacks. I've already said that. I think Blair was wrong, although i dont know how many iraqi civilians died in that attack.
What would you call the Guys who walk into hospitals and gun down teenagers who have survived the bombs in the mosques? Freedom-fighters?

And if you cant differentiate the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist...if you think theyre the same thing when viewed by rational people (rationality defined here by my own standards,as applies to us all), theres not much hope in having a realistic debate with you.
 
Jazzy said:
Part of the definition is trying to impose a form of ideology or government in another country. Does that ring a bell? Yup! Democracy! How about trying to make a democratic government when majority dont want it?
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The Majority do. they Voted for it. I dont know if you can vote or if your still stuck in one of the dictatorships, but the Iraqi's had a 80% turn out for elections. I dont know if i would do that if I thought I was going to be mowed down at the polling stations.

Just check the results of the numerous polls in Iraq. All show that the people want us to leave. When the Terrorists have gone.
 
Jazzy said:
Part of the definition is trying to impose a form of ideology or government in another country. Does that ring a bell? Yup! Democracy! How about trying to make a democratic government when majority dont want it?
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I truly wish we could give you Sadam back.
 
Actually they want everyone to leave NOW. If they wanted the US and others to leave after, they wouldnt be complaining against the US or whomever.
 
I think now days everyone is coming up with their own definitions of terrorism

So simply to me the USA and UK troops and govts are the real terrorists.

Simply because they have:
a) occupied a nation forcefully
b) did the preemptive strike in war based on complete lies with no evidence and no support from the UN
c) killed countless civilians, bombed countless homes, destroyed countlesslives.
d) Thrown an ENTIRE country into chaos as a result of which every tom dick and harry is now picking up arms

So really I will say my final words here....to me it is just double standards terming muslim groups as terrorists, while the biggest terrorists roam freely killing, invading, destroying as they please

"kill 1 man and u are a murderer, kill a million and you are a conqueror" (nowadays called liberator)
 
I too wish we we would leave. Let the Iraqis kill each other till the last man is standing.
 
Well the US being there made it 1000 times worse. It might still be like that but at least not as atrocious.
 
wilberhum said:
I too wish we we would leave. Let the Iraqis kill each other till the last man is standing.
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It is tempting to throw up our hands and watch them all kill each other. However, as Colin Powell said, you break it you fix it. While that looks like an impossible task at this point, in my opinion you have to ignore the cynics and simply let the U.S. military do their job. You would be surprised what they can accomplish when they are supported.
 
Yup they r doin a lot even with all that support. You got all the super powers, What more do u need?

It is tempting to throw up our hands and watch them all kill each other.
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I'll never forget that quote. You only proved how much "peace" you want there.
 
akulion said:
The ones engaged in targeting the allies of the Iraqi Government: Iraqi Govt or US puppets?: That dosnt actually make any sense..i assume you mean the Elections were faked. well if you have never had elections i suppose you would think that.

The ones Blowing up iraqi kids and mothers to the tune of 100 a day: Yes the bombs which they dropped form the skies killing women children and people and destroying their homes: USA and UK. WWW.Iraqbodycount.org If we wanted to kill Iraqi's then the country would be a wasteland by now. I'm clearly wasting my time here because you havnt done any research at all, just parrotting some popular myths. Each Day the Coalition could unload 29,000000 lbs of High explosive on Iraq's citysin a single strike by one weapon system the B1. we havnt, the Guys in black robes and suicide belts really honestly are not coalition troops. you seem to have little to no understanding of the realitys in iraq. please do a tiny bit of independent research. The site i linked is a anti west site. Youll like it

The Jihadists coming into the soverign State of iraq from Iran Syria Palastine: Well maybe you havent heard but the Muslims are told to help one another.By Blowing ten shades out of women?

The US and UK invaded and started killing civilians calling it 'colleteral damage' so its their duty to go and fight the invaders. The war against the Baathists finished after 21 days. Some of our bombs missed. The Iraqi's still agreed with the invasion. Go figure.:rollseyes Jihadists are NOT WANTED by the Iraqi people

The US & UK Troops Protecting the Soverign people of iraq from Death squads. Liberators: Protecting or suppressing? An Iraqi who today would say to a troop "go home" would be arrested as a terrorist. They break into everyones homes day and night at will. Dosent sound like liberation to me. So stop talking rubbish mate.
They hold big demonstrations quite often. No arrests as long as theyre peaceful and dont start shooting. just like in the west. and guess what...they have to raid suspected houses. I know...lets stop doing that then the death toll of innocents can go through the freaking roof.

Well maybe you didnt hear but that what the UN is, it votes, and if its not taken due to opposition dosent mean you just say "what the hell, lets just do it anyways"

Yes I am sure they carried out a poll in Iraq before they went in and bombed their cities destroying everything in sight.
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1,500 civilains died in the 21 days. Human sheilds for the fedyeen, schoolkids told to sit on stacks of bombs, familys hung in the streets for chanting anti Baathist slogans. yes some bombs missed. but we diddnt deliberatly target them. unlike some people I may mention.

The UN? Article 51. Covers it.

The Poll was carried out after the war. Iraqi citys , mosques and schools were intact. Baathist installations flattened. We shot at things firing at us. Those things were Baathists and Jihadists. The Iraqi Army just went home.
 
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Jazzy said:
Yup they r doin a lot even with all that support. You got all the super powers, What more do u need?



I'll never forget that quote. You only proved how much "peace" you want there.
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Throwing up our hands and walking away would result in exactly the situation I described. I meant that it is tempting to give up and deal with the consequences, not that I wanted such a thing to occur.
 
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