They arent Terrorists, cos they aint Muslims

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akulion said:
Yes of course the intentions of IRA and ETA are so 'noble' when they bomb people.

Your own words demonstrate the double standards, I dont have to say more :)
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ETA have frequently been referred to as both separatists (the 'what') and terrorists (the 'how') both long before 9/11 and after it. The Provos were always called terrorists (the 'how') and Republicans (the 'what') depending on context. There is significant press coverage regarding the Tamil 'Liberation Tigers' in Sri Lanka - they are also called both, which usually depending on what actions they have performed, as they have acted both as a 'terrorist' and 'military' force. And talking of both, how many 'muslim' terrorist groups also happen to be called 'rebels', 'insurgents', 'militants', etc, etc, depending on context?

There is no 'double standard'. Neither is there any 'propaganda' in calling terrorists terrorists, whatever religious authority or secular 'cause' they may claim.
 
wilberhum said:
Every one knows that. There are just those that claim other people say that.

That would be as true as "I know of no true Muslim that is a terrorist".
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You are right, there is no proof, but I know it in my heart by faith, because I know the Lord. Can you at least honestly say that you known your heart that no true Muslim is a terrorist before Allah?
 
akulion said:
No true christian can be a terrorist? when did that happend?

I think you havent read about HITLER THE DEVOUT CHRISTIAN who was supported by the CHURCH and the POPE fully

with evidence and irrefutable facts:
http://www.islamicboard.com/general-chat/15170-hitler-devout-christian.html

Notice the only responses people had were "their opinions" lol
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Oh that junk is so old. Did you just here about that distortion? Devout Christian? OBL is much more of a devout Muslim. At least Hitler never claimed to be a good Catholic.
 
oh so its junk because no one could refute it lol

believe me i debated this on over 10 forums both christian and muslim alike

and not one person could disprove that evidence...all they said was "oh but we know he wasnt"

well quite frankly belief is about what you have in your mind and heart...and Hitler truly believed he was doing Gods work...and following the bible and THAT is what makes him devout...not to mention the 'holy father pope' - the 'irrefutable hand of god on earth' and the holy church, the house of god etc etc, also FULLY supported him ;)
 
alapiana1 said:
You are right, there is no proof, but I know it in my heart by faith, because I know the Lord. Can you at least honestly say that you known your heart that no true Muslim is a terrorist before Allah?
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Please tell me you are not that incredibly ignorant to call yourself a Christian and make such a racist comment.

How do you know NO professing Christian is a terrorist. How dare you label all Muslims as terrorists. You're a complete ignoramus!

I sincerely hope you don't claim to represent Christianity with so much hate and ignorance in your heart. It's a disgrace to your chosen faith.

Listen well, Alapiana: I AM A MUSLIM, which I have already said before Allah, swt, and I have yet to kill one single, solitary human being. Can all your christian brothers in Iraq say the same. Can your Christian brothers in Uganda make that claim, how about Hitler, your christian brother that slaughtered millions, Jim Jones? David Koresh? The KKK?

Please get educated before you even attempt to dialogue with others about faith. You don't understand your faith don't even try to understand mine.
 
Christians can be terrorists! Christians beleive in the whole of the Bible, and the Bible has lots of verses that can be interpreted in a identical way to the "Sword" surahs and The Ahadiths concerned with Jihad.

I would consider the Crusades a terrorist action as much as 9/11, 7/7 or the Current Sudanese butchery. (although obviously on a smaller scale than Sudan). Hitler was a terrorist. An Ideological terrorist. Nationalism, Ideology, Religion and Political terrorism are possible, existed and exist.

But back to the point. ive mentioned it before, but scale is the reason for the "all terrorists are muslim" myth. Because The Save the Whale guys have killed one guy in 10 years, theyre not counted when compared to the systematic daily butchery of today.
 
wilberhum said:
Oh that junk is so old. Did you just here about that distortion? Devout Christian? OBL is much more of a devout Muslim. At least Hitler never claimed to be a good Catholic.
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The difference is, we won't deny that OBL is a Muslim.

And yes, Hitler did indeed make that claim. So much so he wanted to be a priest at one time and made a wonderful alter boy. He was absolutely a devout christian....deny it all you want, the facts stand true.

Hana
 
well the problem with many Christians is they act Holier than Thou

as if they know better....but I really question the logic of people who worship a man really
 
Hana_Aku said:
The difference is, we won't deny that OBL is a Muslim.

And yes, Hitler did indeed make that claim. So much so he wanted to be a priest at one time and made a wonderful alter boy. He was absolutely a devout christian....deny it all you want, the facts stand true.

Hana
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All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State
 
So in this thread we have established:

Not all terrorists are muslims? yup? Nope?
Most terrorists are muslims based on data? Yup? Nope?
Christians can be terrorists Yup? Nope?
Agnostics can be terrorists Yup? Nope?
Anyone who is Truely following their religion is not?
The invoking of religion to commit terrorism is wrong?
The Leader of a state can be a terrorist?
 
Keltoi said:
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State
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So at least he wasnt killing Jews in the name of god....or..ummm...is that permissable!:D :D :D :D
 
Hana_Aku said:
Please tell me you are not that incredibly ignorant to call yourself a Christian and make such a racist comment.

How do you know NO professing Christian is a terrorist. How dare you label all Muslims as terrorists. You're a complete ignoramus!

I sincerely hope you don't claim to represent Christianity with so much hate and ignorance in your heart. It's a disgrace to your chosen faith.

Listen well, Alapiana: I AM A MUSLIM, which I have already said before Allah, swt, and I have yet to kill one single, solitary human being. Can all your christian brothers in Iraq say the same. Can your Christian brothers in Uganda make that claim, how about Hitler, your christian brother that slaughtered millions, Jim Jones? David Koresh? The KKK?

Please get educated before you even attempt to dialogue with others about faith. You don't understand your faith don't even try to understand mine.
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I think you need to reread what I said. It is a matter of simple comprehension. I never said all Muslims are terrorist, and Hitler and the KKK were what Jesus calls wolves in sheep’s clothing. In other words, they just called themselves Christians, but they did not know the Lord. As far as my being full of hate, let God judge between us. I never called you a fool, hateful person or an ignoramus. It is written, "You shall give account for very idle word spoken before God"
 
Keltoi said:
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State
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The funny part is those arent his real speeches.
there is no references for those and you wont be able to find any from any credible sources EXCEPT Christian apologetic websites trying DESPERATELY to prove he wasnt one lol

Learn from the facts my friend ;)

Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Hitler.27s_religious_beliefs

The church wants this desperately denied because they have no excise for supporting hitler do they?

why do you think the pope (the last one) OFFICIALLy apologized to the jews?
lol
 
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So he took a idea, which mostly promoted love and brotherhood amongst men,(wheres the women in this?) and turned it into a doctrine of persecution and hate.

Not the first guy to do that, and as we see today from several of our freinds in black robes and RDX belts, not the last.
 
akulion said:
The funny part is those arent his real speeches.
there is no references for those and you wont be able to find any from any credible sources EXCEPT Christian apologetic websites trying DESPERATELY to prove he wasnt one lol

Learn from the facts my friend ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Hitler.27s_religious_beliefs

The church wants this desperately denied because they have no excise for supporting hitler do they?

why do you think the pope (the last one) OFFICIALLy apologized to the jews?
lol
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Those quotes weren't from speeches, they are from a book titled Hitler's Secret Conversations that was published in 1953, reissued as Hitler's Table Talk Here is a Time Magazine article about the book and how these quotes were recorded.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,823031,00.html
 
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