“They made cuts in my ****”

[Umar001]

i will also say though, it still seems a little extreme, personally i think (and hope) that some of this is fabricated or exaggerated.

I hope some is, well I dont hope he is lying, but I do hope some isnt true, argh, yall know what I mean right

 

[AbdulHassanAmir]

Far beyond anything disclosed about what went on at Abu Ghraib, and there was a large investigation by the media and congressional committees. Degrading photographs and barking dogs seems awful enough, but when you compare that to slicing up a man's genitalia, that is quite a difference.

Worse then Abu Gharib???? This mans torture was horrible indeed, but atleast he didnt lose anything, body parts of course. People in Abu Gharib went through torture such as drowning in lakes, losing Arms to dogs, etc.

 

[Woodrow]

One of the hardest things to come to grip with, is no group of people is exempt from having members that are capable of such atrocities. It is as if once we step across the line of decency all types of cruelities become justified and even called for. No matter how much we want to deny it, many of us are capable of doing the same things once fear and hatred take control of our lives.

Right now you will see and hear people that would gladly do the same and more to Saddam. Not mean hearted people, just normal people that have become overwhelmed with fear and hate. It is easy to justify any action when we act out of fear, hate and overwhelming indignation.

We probably will never become truly civilized until we reach the day of understanding that all people are capable of feeling pain and that when we inflict pain upon one person we have inflicted it on all people including ourselves.

 

[Rou]

Weather he is lying or not we know things are happening...wether he was harmed or not we know many have been harmed...wether he was tortured or not many who have returned from guntanamo and other places who are british citzens have spoken of the same things...

look up the The Tipton Three and this will give you an insight of what happened to many afganis..

there are many accounts and indeed there will be many who say these are lies? but then again so was the rape and murder in vietnam and of the native americans and the jews in germany...innocents are harmed and you will always hear excuses...

when have you ever heard anyone admit it??

at least saddam will pay for what he has done what of those who sip champagne whileso many innocents suffer...

allah have mercy...

 

[united]

Sadly this mans story is a drop in the ocean of injustices in the world today.
The reason why this does not get to a court is because the US will say
"we didnt know that they would torture him"
"we didnt do it"
and of course we cant question Morocco, theyre our "friends", they do our dirty work for us.
the UN could follow this up but it is a powerless lil thing

 

[Keltoi]

Worse then Abu Gharib???? This mans torture was horrible indeed, but atleast he didnt lose anything, body parts of course. People in Abu Gharib went through torture such as drowning in lakes, losing Arms to dogs, etc.

How could people in Abu Ghraib drown in a lake? As for dogs ripping off people arms...I would ask for some kind of evidence of this.

 

[AbdulHassanAmir]

How could people in Abu Ghraib drown in a lake? As for dogs ripping off people arms...I would ask for some kind of evidence of this.

I mixed it up with Gutanmo bay. But Abu Ghairib is still 10x worse, google abu gharib, with safe search off.

 

[Isma'el]

May the wrath of Allah be upon the one's who abuse/torture & humiliate the belivers..

 

[Curaezipirid]

Waram

What they did to the man whom has reported about the torture he was subject to has been done to Aboriginal Australian men by neo-nazi shaytan and kafir.

Here they are trying to assert that because the full traditional men's intiation is some locations, (without which a man may not marry), incorporates a sub-incision of the penis, that they can also cut the male genitalia. Yet in a real initiation the penis is cut to a form which prevents unnecessary pleasure in sexual conduct, and prevents also sodomy. While in prisons and among the worst of organised crime, they have enacted cutting men's penises to cause the opposite, while supposing that they can force such to be regarded as the same thing. Men have been raped in their anuses before during and after such blood being drawn. It is not commonplace, but that it happens is within my own evidence in having seen the scars of. The worst scars are psychological. Every instance of such occurrances in Australia are being committed through corrupt policing. There is a level of corruption in which the Gog and Magog phenomenon in psychology is manifesting such as to cause these disturbing extremes. I believe that one of the things that nazism proved during world war two, is the damage that is done by any overt pleasure taking in cruelty, has no cure but that which death alone will cure.

Those men whom are victim to such cruelty and can speak up to prevent reoccurances of, are those who can hold their dignity because they retained the ablity to experience the situation with an extreme degree of pain. Men whom have endured such and retained full sensitivity are truly men of proven worth in mental stature.

waram

 

[ishkabab]

Astagfirullah!!!!!!
THOSE DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!there are no words that can explain what they did......but Allah Tala will take care of them

 

[Rou]

Astagfirullah!!!!!!
THOSE DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!there are no words that can explain what they did......but Allah Tala will take care of them

These wrongs are but the tip of the ice berg my sisters and children suffer far worse at the hands of these animals and where are there protectors? i call not for the ignorant who blow up other innocents to add to the pain of the world but to the lions who would protect such innocents...

our people will not be saved until we unite you may not be able to destroy those responsible for the suffering of innocents from where you are but you can hinder there plans...unite under islam forget sunni,shia,kurd..there is only one muslim he who follows allah and his quran....

Evil doers fear our unity more than anything...

Awaken muslimah awaken...

 

[Keltoi]

Actually, the "evil doers" would prefer for this Muslim unity to occur, maybe then Muslims would stop killing each other and help their "brothers" and "sisters" by supporting stability and peace in Iraq. I keep hearing how dangerous and indestructible Muslim unity is. What does that mean exactly? If the concept of Muslim "unity" is about creating peace, then most in the world would support this unity. Unity in Iraq could help to create a stable democracy at peace with its neighbors. I don't think you want unity, I think you want all Muslims to agree with you.

 

[Rou]

Actually, the "evil doers" would prefer for this Muslim unity to occur, maybe then Muslims would stop killing each other and help their "brothers" and "sisters" by supporting stability and peace in Iraq. I keep hearing how dangerous and indestructible Muslim unity is. What does that mean exactly? If the concept of Muslim "unity" is about creating peace, then most in the world would support this unity. Unity in Iraq could help to create a stable democracy at peace with its neighbors. I don't think you want unity, I think you want all Muslims to agree with you.

1. how do you know what evil-doers want?

2. i asked for unity i didnt ask them to agree with me on anything?


just one more thing why are you bothering to comment on muslim unity? as you said if muslims come together they will create peace or at least stop muslims killing eachother...so thats a good thing and could create peace with its neighbours..

so whats the prob whats your point?

every time a muslim posts anything to do with unity i always hear crys of "oh it will never happen , "even if you lot unite what would you do?"
"whos afraid of your unity?" or sarcastic stuff like "unite and that way at least you can stop killing eachother"

i mean these comments dont sound like they are there to rally support more to dishearten anyone who wishes for unity??

and also many stick themselves in the group of evil doers at there own acord? whatever your choice...

 

[Keltoi]

1. how do you know what evil-doers want?

2. i asked for unity i didnt ask them to agree with me on anything?


just one more thing why are you bothering to comment on muslim unity? as you said if muslims come together they will create peace or at least stop muslims killing eachother...so thats a good thing and could create peace with its neighbours..

so whats the prob whats your point?

every time a muslim posts anything to do with unity i always hear crys of "oh it will never happen , "even if you lot unite what would you do?"
"whos afraid of your unity?" or sarcastic stuff like "unite and that way at least you can stop killing eachother"

i mean these comments dont sound like they are there to rally support more to dishearten anyone who wishes for unity??

and also many stick themselves in the group of evil doers at there own acord? whatever your choice...

Nothing wrong with unity. Sounds like a great idea if it leads to a peaceful solution. The reason I am somewhat sarcastic in relation to "Muslim unity" is that this phrase is usually wrapped around some vague concept of one-mindedness. Where all the Muslims unite and confront the "evil doers". While I can relate to this concept in terms of religion, it seems to be more political in that context. Perhaps I'm just not looking at it in the right way, and anything that brings peace is a good thing.

 

[Curaezipirid]

These wrongs are but the tip of the ice berg my sisters and children suffer far worse at the hands of these animals and where are there protectors? i call not for the ignorant who blow up other innocents to add to the pain of the world but to the lions who would protect such innocents...

our people will not be saved until we unite you may not be able to destroy those responsible for the suffering of innocents from where you are but you can hinder there plans...unite under islam forget sunni,shia,kurd..there is only one muslim he who follows allah and his quran....

Evil doers fear our unity more than anything...

Awaken muslimah awaken...

There is another thread in which there is a link to a site which asks for single word self identifications and plenty of us in this site are getting named as Lions as the result.

I am like to a Lion in the ferocity with which I will hate those whom have so harmed the majority of the Australian Aboriginal adult male population. The scars which our men bear we will all accept in that dignity. The battle of gog and magog is in our minds already won. There is no doubt in me that I will take that passage through Jahannam so as to drag down there those whom have raped our men, that is the extremity of the hatred in me, that I know there is no future for any life within the memory that such atrocities of depraved existances were ever actualised. I want none of such in reality that I believe we must make by ending permanently the world in which such things have occurred.

My children deserve to exist in Jannah without fearing that such scars might need to be borne with in the passage through to Jannah. I make du'a daily that my children will be able to know our indigenous heritage without knowing that such things happened to our people.

So many Muslims are correctly afraid of the full reality of what the United Ummah is. But we true believers are all in the diaspora continuing even until today: how can we unite with one another without dragging the evil-doers into our circle, and so thereby learning that the circle must escort the evil-doers right into the fire. Instances such as that described at the start of this thread can only be met in reality by such consciousness. Any other mind towards such phenomena is a mind that is letting such matters exist in the world. I would that the whole Ummah will learn to know better than to fail to fear the memory of such occurances. I fear that such events be remembered as though possible to sustain life through, more than I fear entering the fire my self.

But such endurance is borne only through experience and need to protect those I am responsible for from any future in which such could occur. In Allah what are we to lead Humanity by as Muslims when we know that such facts exist? Pray for guidance in that question.

Reality will prevail and only then will any of us enter Jannah!

waram

 

[Curaezipirid]

Actually, the "evil doers" would prefer for this Muslim unity to occur, maybe then Muslims would stop killing each other and help their "brothers" and "sisters" by supporting stability and peace in Iraq. I keep hearing how dangerous and indestructible Muslim unity is. What does that mean exactly? If the concept of Muslim "unity" is about creating peace, then most in the world would support this unity. Unity in Iraq could help to create a stable democracy at peace with its neighbors. I don't think you want unity, I think you want all Muslims to agree with you.

The unity which most of us are seeking is that unity in which we will all need to face our worse fears so as to sustain.

It is truly that same unity which many of the evil doers really are wanting. But the evil doers imagine that it is a unity which will advantage them. Never will the unity exist if it is truly to their advantage. But we are guided by Prophesies which we can not repudiate, so are assisted to find this account of Unity in Allah.

The Surah The Elephants is critically of this form of Unity.

waram

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Omg...! May Allah(swt) help the innocent Muslims and the Muslim Ummah as a whole Ameen...

 

[Rou]

Nothing wrong with unity. Sounds like a great idea if it leads to a peaceful solution. The reason I am somewhat sarcastic in relation to "Muslim unity" is that this phrase is usually wrapped around some vague concept of one-mindedness. Where all the Muslims unite and confront the "evil doers". While I can relate to this concept in terms of religion, it seems to be more political in that context. Perhaps I'm just not looking at it in the right way, and anything that brings peace is a good thing.

Indeed unfortunatlyyou were looking at in your own way religous unity will unite muslims and second help root out evil doers among ourselves first then we can sop those who aim to harm innocents for there own gain...this is not about polotics this is about lives that are shattered beacuse the ummah has lost its way..i dont care what other races or religons follow that is there path but i care when innocents are harmed and no one stands up for them...

 

[Curaezipirid]

The story doesn't seem to make sense to me. To believe the entirety of the story you would have to believe these interrogators were slicing him up because they wanted to "degrade" him. While that is possible taking into account the Abu Ghraib prison debacle, I doubt these sorts of techniques would be used against someone thought to have valuable information. Waterboarding and more phsychological means of interrogation seem to be the method of choice for these guys. Khalid Sheik Muhammed broke down because they played Red Hot Chili Peppers in his room for days. The majority of professional interrogators see no point in pain inducing torture because the information is usually unreliable. So I would have to believe these people were cutting on a prisoner for fun, which is far beyond anything at Abu Ghraib. Unless more evidence is presented, I'm not convinced of the authenticity.

Waram Keltoi,

The sort of torture that was forced upon the man referred to in this thread is not actually comprehensible for some fellows with the same genitalia. That is a fact. Different males have different sensitivity and different psychological reponses to pain being inflicted upon the genitalia.

The fact is that for a very sensitive person any breaking of the skin of the genitalia is equivalent to extreme psycological torture. It is the most expedient method of acquiring information from him, in the exact same way as raping a female to the point of stretching her muscle strength is the fastest way to acquire information from her. Both tortures occur with alarming regularity among organised crime. Here in Australia criminals are often performing both tortures upon believers so as to prevent their certainty from being enacted, and so as that the criminals (shaytan and kafir) can try to prevent Prophesies. Even it is that they have a trade in women whom are first let to prove themselves as good mothers, and then, usually through their Husbands/or boyfriends/ being caused by criminals into such deseration as to enact domestic violence, the women have thier children removed and are then raped repeatedly and given cheap drugs and informed that they can help their children only through criminal means. It seems that organised crime has learned that a really good mother, if she is forced to become desperate enough to protect her children, makes the best sort of prostitute, because she will swallow any sin of any male so as to provide for her children's innocence. There is a child pornography ring here in southern Queensland which is entirely dependent upon that knowledge. The worst aligned with the torture inflicted upon these mothers by their pimps, many of whom at the top level are either openly nazi or linked to the Japanese maffia. They increase the size of their own genitals by surgically embedding pearls so as to hurt the mothers they are raping while also internally imagining that they themself are the children of the mothers. This is why the adult male population of indigenous Australia are being incarcerated as youth for minor criminal matters, and then being forcibly sodomised and enduring such torture as the ethiopian man has revealed. When both the women and the men have been tortured then the women are unable to help the men to find justice, and the men unable to believe the women. This is common place and establishes cyclical domestic violence. The whole pattern was initiated here in Australia by the removal of children. For many years every Aboriginal child was regarded as a ward of the state, and no Aborigines were regarded as citizens, or even Human in the Australian constitution.

Because I know what has happened here in my own country I can readily believe in what this Ethiopian man has reported.

The people whom have endured such torture are usually too terrified to report it, when it has been done by criminals whom they can not thereafter avoid. Many are heroin addicted. Many have been forced into an identification of insanity if they detoxify from the drugs they are using.

The only reason I am able to report upon any of these matters in any immediate physical safety is because I chose the shelter of a psychiatric hospital ward bed, knowing that I am sane, but knowing that I needed to first of all protect my physical wellbeing so as to be able to work to protect my children. I have only experienced the tip of the iceburg of what the criminals are doing; and the only reason that I have learned any of what is happening is because when I began to identify as an Aborigine, the black community automatically provide a place for white folk who want to return into culture, at the bottom of the social structure, and so as an Aborigine I am placed in that very worst category just by nature of being white. So I had no need of being a drug user to learn about things that usually only those already entrapped by the world of drug crimes find out about. However, even without being a drug user, or any other form of criminal, I could not prevent a set up in which my own children were removed, and my own credibilty trashed, just because I found out and would not play along with.

The fools who enact such forms of torture pay in the end because of the desperation they force upon the whole community which their victims belong in. An Australian male was on the train one day talking to another bloke about Hezbollah. I was sitting close and entered the conversation out of curiosity as to why the whole topic came up. The first man was clearly showing the signs of being a heroin user. Many Australian heroin users know heaps and heaps about what is happening in the middle east. Not all of them have been tortured and tricked into being drug addicted. The Prayer to help our Aboriginal work has not been being received by whom needs it, but rather by the criminal associates of, many of whom are pimps and drug users/sellers. The criminals are habituated into extracting large quantities of esoteric knowledge from our people and through the fact that our race is long already Muslim, and that that has not been widely recognised. Our validation is that of the bark petition which Yolngu sent to Parliament. It is a petition to a legal process of Shari'ah. It is on display in the National Museum of Australia. But Aborigines are not just Museum pieces. The heroin user on the train was being surprisingly open for a heroin user which is why I questioned him. He turns out to have become addicted to opiates as an Australian soldier in the Middle East, now on methadone, and with a new wife and baby. She showed all the signs of having been tortured as I describe. The man told me about himself having also been tortured, but did not detail. He was tortured by the military for putting down his gun and refusing to fight after receiving an order that if he saw a man holding a baby that he was to shoot through the child to kill the father.

These sort of event are why this world will end. In reality sustaining existance can not afford such things. The torturers most probably were coldly clinical about what they did. Don't assume that the bad guys are always receiving pleasure from being bad: they also work in an unpleasant life towards attaining pleasant experiences, but they only totally fail to realise that when their pleasure was found at the expense of an unwilling person then they will by nature alone hurt the more in their own death. Death of the physical body has this cause, of equating the balance between the good guys and the bad guys. No matter how often the bad guys try to pretend they can escape retribution, there is no way out of having been so calculated as to cause that a man's penis is cut to torture him. Most often those whom enforce such tortures are actually trying to prove to the person they torture, that their way is correct by trying to prove that the person will find crime pleasant after they have been so violated.

These are the truths by which we will all learn not to love this world and rather to destroy the forces which caused the phenomenon that is torture. The world will become torture for Humanity only so as that each Human person learns to end it well. That is the way to find Jannah. Who could righteously enter Jannah knowing that such things exist and they did not work so as to prevent.

waram

 

[Keltoi]

In response to Curaezipirid, torture never has and never will be a "the most expedient" method to get information. If someone is being tortured they will tell you anything you want to hear, and the vast majority of that information is useless.
As for the rest of the post, I would hope that we all agree that torture is bad. I just don't find this man's story credible.