They're gonna invade Mali...

It is what happens when muslims put a non-muslim led organization on top. the non-muslims will never care about the muslims. UN hasn't brought good to any muslims. on the other hand, a lot of problems exist becuase of it's very unjust veto system. If any of the 5 permanent countries don't want some resolution, it will not happen no matter how right it is. Just think. US vetoes a resolution about Palestine and the resolution doesn't pass, causing Palestinians to suffer. Russia vetoes a resolution about Syria and the resolution doesnt pass, causing the deaths of tens of thousands (even hundrends of thousands of people). what sort of an organization is this? what sort of a system is this? Should the veto of one coutry decide whether thousands of people live or are murdered? And then doesn't it make the vetoeing country a helper/accomplice of the ones who are actually doing the murdering? Doesn't that make the vetoing country a criminal too? Should such an unjust system exist where one or a few countries can decide the fate of hundreds of thousands of people? Should the veto of one country stop justice from being done? This system is the cause of much suffering in the world, as can be seen in syria. So many people have died, burned, starved, and made refugees because UN failed to pass a resolution.
 
It is what happens when muslims put a non-muslim led organization on top. the non-muslims will never care about the muslims. UN hasn't brought good to any muslims. on the other hand, a lot of problems exist becuase of it's very unjust veto system. If any of the 5 permanent countries don't want some resolution, it will not happen no matter how right it is. Just think. US vetoes a resolution about Palestine and the resolution doesn't pass, causing Palestinians to suffer. Russia vetoes a resolution about Syria and the resolution doesnt pass, causing the deaths of tens of thousands (even hundrends of thousands of people). what sort of an organization is this? what sort of a system is this? Should the veto of one coutry decide whether thousands of people live or are murdered? And then doesn't it make the vetoeing country a helper/accomplice of the ones who are actually doing the murdering? Doesn't that make the vetoing country a criminal too? Should such an unjust system exist where one or a few countries can decide the fate of hundreds of thousands of people? Should the veto of one country stop justice from being done? This system is the cause of much suffering in the world, as can be seen in syria. So many people have died, burned, starved, and made refugees because UN failed to pass a resolution.

The UN is created by the very same powers who want to destroy the world. The UN is nothing more than a dajjal organization. All of this is planned by the zionists and their buddies. (May Allah destroy these tyrants. Ameen)

The only reason they dont find ''solutions'' is because they love to see the fighting in syria, the amounts of bloodsheds and by sending arms into syria they earn alot of money, and dont even think about the gas underneath syrian soil. It is not ending up in muslim hands.
 
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''French troops begin military intervention in Mali: Hollande''

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/11/283029/french-military-intervenes-in-mali/
 
Here ex-CIA agent openly admitting this:
Jedi, I have watched this video which is interesting. But I'm not sure it's saying what you think it does. In fact, I agree with most of what he says, yet as you know I don't believe in the NWO so something is odd...

He is being interviewed by a Russian news organisation so there is a bias in the questions opposing intervention in Syria and Libya (Russian allies). Besides that, he is arguing that the US strategy is contradictory. On the one hand, it favours the spread of democracy. On the other hand, it's trying to protect key regional allies (Israel and Saudi). But the desire to favour democracy (in the shape of the Arab Spring) is actually endangering the other objective (to protect Israel/Saudi). I would agree with this.

However, this is very far from the notion of an NWO style conspiracy to destabilise Syria etc. Far from being a cunning masterplan, he is describing contradiction and failure. (Hopelessly contradictory foreign policy actions are common to many countries, but it matters more with a superpower).

He also predicts that more radical Islamic groups are the ones most likely to benefit from the chaos and that this will lead to an escalation of violence especially in Africa (as is happening in Nigeria and Mali).

Why do you think what he's saying supports NWO?
 
Jedi, I have watched this video which is interesting. But I'm not sure it's saying what you think it does. In fact, I agree with most of what he says, yet as you know I don't believe in the NWO so something is odd...

He is being interviewed by a Russian news organisation so there is a bias in the questions opposing intervention in Syria and Libya (Russian allies). Besides that, he is arguing that the US strategy is contradictory. On the one hand, it favours the spread of democracy. On the other hand, it's trying to protect key regional allies (Israel and Saudi). But the desire to favour democracy (in the shape of the Arab Spring) is actually endangering the other objective (to protect Israel/Saudi). I would agree with this.

However, this is very far from the notion of an NWO style conspiracy to destabilise Syria etc. Far from being a cunning masterplan, he is describing contradiction and failure. (Hopelessly contradictory foreign policy actions are common to many countries, but it matters more with a superpower).

He also predicts that more radical Islamic groups are the ones most likely to benefit from the chaos and that this will lead to an escalation of violence especially in Africa (as is happening in Nigeria and Mali).

Why do you think what he's saying supports NWO?

The reason i mentioned NWO is that you should look at the map, the is officialy released by the pentagon and shows the US controlled areas. I think foreign agencies have been part in the syrian conflict, this has and always been the case. The arms flow into syria by both USA and russia shows that they are not seeking for peace in the area rather more destabilization. It will help them because then they can jump on the gas which syria has, this is a common fact, most of the oil in iraq are transported by Shell and BP, and the gas in syria is transported by GAZPROM and some EU countries. When you nationalize the oil, they wont like it.

Colonialism never ended.

Regarding who is the bad guy or the good guy in the syrian conflict is not my point, what i know is that Assad started it by mowing down protestors. The CIA knew of this, and hoped it would turn out into a conflict.

Many politicians have talked about an NWO, now check this:


NWO is not a theory but a fact.
 
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I'm not sure "invade" is the proper word here. It was the internationally recognized Malian government itself that requested foreign assistance!
 
internationally recognized Malian government itself that requested foreign assistance!
Internationally recognized doesn't mean that they're people recognized.. the same with any despotic regime which is a puppet to the west that has its people revolting. The most recent Ex. Is Iraq.
But if the west is keen on losing more of its resources and man power than by all means. Pour into Afghanistan and Iraq, and Mali and wherever else, it won't bode well and it hasn't all along!

best,
 
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A March 22 coup allowed Islamists, who are imposing Islamic sharia law, to take control of Mali's northern cities.

There is no ''al-qaeda'' in mali, just tuareg rebels and other groups who want the state governed by shariah law, anything wrong with that?

Yes, there is something wrong with that if they are imposing it by violence as suggested in the article you quoted.
 
Watch the vid again, he clearly mentions this.
You realise i am referring to the Michael Scheuer video (the CIA agent) not Bush?

Scheuer does not mention the NWO in this interview. In fact he doesn't talk about anything secret at all. He analyses the overt, visible policy of the US with regard to the Islamic world. His main argument is that a policy based on supporting the growth of democracy, and the policy of supporting key allies like Israel and Saudi, are in fact contradictory and work against each other. Each objective endangers the success of the other.

His view is that the US should focus on its own interests, stop getting involved in fights it can avoid, and forget about the whole area. ideally he would like the US to disengage from both Israel and Saudi - however, he recognises that this is difficult with Saudi because of oil/financial interconnections and difficult with Israel because of the Jewish lobby in America.

His views are a challenge to orthodox US policy, but how are they an endorsement of an NWO scenario?
 
Salaam

Quick update. Seems the French want to relive the good old days of their colonial past. . . . . .

Hundreds of French troops drive back Mali rebels

Associated Press= BAMAKO, Mali (AP) — France's defense minister says hundreds of French troops are involved in an operation that destroyed a command center of Islamic rebels in Mali.

Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Saturday that a French helicopter pilot died of his wounds in the operation, which involved air strikes on three rebel targets overnight.

The French president authorized the operation to support Mali's government after the Islamists launched an offensive outside the territory they had previously captured.

Le Drian said France was compelled to act quickly to stop the Islamist offensive, which he said could allow "a terrorist state at the doorstep of France and Europe."

http://www.guardian.co.uk
 
I've heard al-qaeda never existed...:ermm: is that true?

:wa:

It depends on who you ask. =)

There are a group of Muslims that want to remove the monarchies and dictators in Muslim countries. They also oppose foreign troops and Israel. So they have similar goals but different ways of reaching them. They are not well organised nor there is some sort of leader. The groups are very dis-organised and end up fighting amongst themselves. Sometimes they have been manipulated by the government.

The US government labeled this group as Al-Qaeda. So what you have is a group of militants who may similar goals but different ways of reaching them.

I don't know why some Muslims even support some of these Muslim militants. They never met them nor they are aware of their activities. :/

As for this invasion, well there is not much to say is there. My input will not make any difference.
 
You realise i am referring to the Michael Scheuer video (the CIA agent) not Bush?

Scheuer does not mention the NWO in this interview. In fact he doesn't talk about anything secret at all. He analyses the overt, visible policy of the US with regard to the Islamic world. His main argument is that a policy based on supporting the growth of democracy, and the policy of supporting key allies like Israel and Saudi, are in fact contradictory and work against each other. Each objective endangers the success of the other.

His view is that the US should focus on its own interests, stop getting involved in fights it can avoid, and forget about the whole area. ideally he would like the US to disengage from both Israel and Saudi - however, he recognises that this is difficult with Saudi because of oil/financial interconnections and difficult with Israel because of the Jewish lobby in America.

His views are a challenge to orthodox US policy, but how are they an endorsement of an NWO scenario?

Michael Scheuer supports water-boarding or I think it was hard interrogation techniques. O_o

I smell conflict management and it stinks. :P
 
Michael Scheuer supports water-boarding or I think it was hard interrogation techniques. O_o
I don't know anything about him apart from what he says in the video. My question is purely, what does this have to do with evidence for an NWO conspiracy one way or the other?

Far from following some cunning masterplan for destabilising countries, he is arguing the exact opposite - that US policy is incompetent and a failure from everyone's point of view, not least the US itself.
 
I don't know anything about him apart from what he says in the video. My question is purely, what does this have to do with evidence for an NWO conspiracy one way or the other?

Oh I can answer that. Nothing.

Nah just kidding.

He's part of a secret organisation that is planning to take over the world! The illunminati is trying to take away our freedums. I know this because I watch YouTube videos HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA....
 
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Rebels in Mali vow revenge at ‘heart of France’

The rebel forces fighting in northern Mali have vowed to avenge France’s military operation against them on the French soil.


Abou Dardar, the leader of one of Mali’s rebel groups called Movement and Jihad in West Africa (MUJAO), promised on Monday that the rebels would strike “at the heart of France” in response to its attacks on their bases.

When asked about where they would strike, Dardar said, “Everywhere, in Bamako, in Africa and in Europe.”​
On Sunday, French fighter jets pounded the rebel bases in the cities of Gao and Kidal in northern Mali.

At least five members of Ansar Dine, another rebel group in Mali, were killed during the French raid in Gao.

According to reports, French warplanes also launched an attack on the rebels’ stockpiles of munitions and fuel in the town of Afhabo, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) from Kidal. The area is a stronghold of Ansar Dine.

France began its military action in Mali on January 12 for what it said was to halt advances made by the rebels who control northern Mali.

On Sunday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said Algeria had allowed French warplanes to use its airspace for bombings in the northern parts of Mali.

Fabius also said the United States, the UK, Denmark, and other European nations are also supporting the French-led military intervention in the African country.

Unrest erupted in Mali after President Amadou Toumani Toure was toppled in a military coup on March 22, 2012.

The coup leaders said they had mounted the coup in response to the government’s failure to contain the Tuareg rebellion in the north of the country.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/14/283519/mali-rebels-vow-revenge-on-french-soil/

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Can someone confirm this report as it might be propaganda?
 
what many of us are passing by is the FACT that this is an illegitimate government according to UN STANDARDS.

A conflict in northern Mali began in January 2012. On 22 March 2012, a group of junior soldiersseized control of the presidential palace and declared the government dissolved and its constitution suspended.[SUP][9][/SUP] On 6 April 2012, rebels from the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA) declared the secession of a new state, Azawad, from Mali.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Shortly after, the MNLA were sidelined by Islamist groups "associated with" Al-Qaeda, and dropped their demands for secession.
The soldiers who seized power allowed Dioncounda Traoré, the President of the National Assembly, to take office as head of state in accordance with the constitution,
but they have continued to wield considerable power.
Plans to re-take the north with international assistance are being formulated, after which the interim government plans to hold the long-delayed national elections.

a 1991 coup led to the writing of a new constitution and the establishment of Mali as a democratic, multi-party state.

democratic and multiparty don't seem to appeal to the rats in the pentagon, because they could see the influence of Islam spreading in the region.
it looks to me that they remained "silent" or even complacent during an illegal coup, but are now concerned that Islam is gaining a stronghold there, knowing that the illegitimate disorganized army are no match for the islamists without external help.

so again - we see a democratic government overthrown with the help of the u.s and u.n, an illegal military dictatorship installed, and killing of Muslims and islamic leaders before another "election" which will have not moral legitimacy or fair ground.

1.
it wasn't the Islamists who overthrew the government.
2.
they kept the country in one piece by preventing a splintering off of another section - which the u.s would most likely have taken control of through imf loans (look at previous trends).
3.
with no organization or legitimacy, the military junta would have lost ground.
4.
Islamists would have had the country in no time if it hadn't been for the selective meddling of the spawn of Satan


another thing i noticed is the heavy use of the terms al qaeda "affiliated" and "associated" when nothing else can be found.
the only association usually needed are the fact that they are Muslim and ready to fight for their convictions.

Charging that the civilian government was not being tough enough against the rebels, US-trained Army Captain Amadou Sanogo and other officers staged a coup on March 22 and called for US intervention along the lines of Afghanistan and the “war on terror.”

Sanogo’s training in the United States is just one small part of a decade of US training of armies in the Sahel, increasing the militarization of this impoverished region and the influence of armed forces relative to civilian leaders. Gregory Mann , writing in Foreign Policy, notes how “a decade of American investment in special forces training, co-operation between Sahalien armies and the United States and counter-terrorism programmes of all sorts run by both the State Department and the Pentagon has, at best, failed to prevent a new disaster in the desert and, at worst, sowed its seeds."
Rather than responding violently to the coup, thousands of Malians in Bamako and elsewhere took to the streets demanding a return to democracy, members of the deposed civilian cabinet went on a hunger strike, and many civil servants and others refused to cooperate with the military regime.
Meanwhile, both western and African countries imposed sanctions against the illegitimate government.


http://www.opendemocracy.net/stephen-zunes/mali’s-struggle-not-simply-of-their-own-making-0

Canada suspends Mali aid after coup d'état


'Canada will not in any way back this illegitimate rule'

CBC News

Posted: Mar 24, 2012 12:19 PM ET

Last Updated: Mar 24, 2012 12:18 PM ET

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/03/24/canada-mali-aid.html

“The threat is a terrorist state at the doorstep of France and Europe,” said French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...drive-back-al-qaeda-linked-militants-in-mali/


Islamist rebels in Mali want to take full control of the country and install a. ... of all of Mali and install in Mali a terrorist state," he told a press conference. ... will fall into their hands, with a threat to all of Africa and to Europe itself.
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/fre...rist-state--in-all-of-mali-france_255205.html

i don't think the term used by the rebels would have been "terrorist" but "Islamic"
but as long as it's not "antisemitic" the reporter knows he won't be lynched for switching terms so blatantly.
can we not see this blatant war against Islam?
 
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